RE: Re[2]: [sniffer] False Positive - no reaction?
Hi Pete, I agree that the email notification is tricky - because you might respond to spam - and, you may NOT respond to someone who did not use an authorized address. On the other hand, if I KNEW there was an auto-response and I did NOT get a response, it would be an indication to me, the user, that I must have done something wrong. So - in a sense - no response is also a message I can act on. The only other suggestion I have is to create a 24 hour 'queue' display on the web site. All you need to show is a column of the sender domain names of the email (not the entire sender email address). If I submit a false positive I can confirm that it made it into your queue by checking the web page. This way, you don't need to send automated emails. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete McNeil Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:04 AM To: Andy Schmidt Subject: Re[2]: [sniffer] False Positive - no reaction? On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, 10:16:11 AM, Andy wrote: AS Sorry - didn't mean to be pushy. I just thought that false AS positives are worse than missed spam, so I had assumed that they AS would always be at the top of the queue. It is a very tough balancing act. Don't feel bad at all - you're not being pushy. The current goal is to respond in less than 24 hours and if possible to review twice per day. Yesterday a number of urgent tasks toppled that schedule. The first review happened (at around 0600) but there were no FPs at that time. I'm working to increase the review cycle... there are just a lot of things going on right now. Just so everyone knows, we do hear - loud and clear - that responding to FPs is important, and we have been much better about it over the recent past. I expect that service aspect to improve moving forward along with other things. AS I can wait (PS - would have calmed my nerves, if there had been some AS automatic ticket number response that reassured me that my email AS was received. The web site makes it sound as if there's a million AS reasons why a false positive might not be accepted - so an automatic AS confirmation might be a good self-service tool. That's a good point. I'll look at that possibility when I rewrite the false processing bot. We're getting a lot of spam lately at our false@ address and I would want to make sure that there was no outscatter. I can tell the bot to only respond to validated senders, but then there is the issue of email reliability in the response... what if you don't get the response I mean. ... There are still folks that occasionally (some frequently) send false reports from unauthorized addresses --- those would not get a response... I'm overthinking this now %^b When I get to the false processing bot I will add a response mechanism. Thanks! _M This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
Re: Re[2]: [sniffer] False Positive - no reaction?
I like this idea more than the email notification. I really don't need more emails. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sniffer@SortMonster.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [sniffer] False Positive - no reaction? Hi Pete, I agree that the email notification is tricky - because you might respond to spam - and, you may NOT respond to someone who did not use an authorized address. On the other hand, if I KNEW there was an auto-response and I did NOT get a response, it would be an indication to me, the user, that I must have done something wrong. So - in a sense - no response is also a message I can act on. The only other suggestion I have is to create a 24 hour 'queue' display on the web site. All you need to show is a column of the sender domain names of the email (not the entire sender email address). If I submit a false positive I can confirm that it made it into your queue by checking the web page. This way, you don't need to send automated emails. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete McNeil Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:04 AM To: Andy Schmidt Subject: Re[2]: [sniffer] False Positive - no reaction? On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, 10:16:11 AM, Andy wrote: AS Sorry - didn't mean to be pushy. I just thought that false AS positives are worse than missed spam, so I had assumed that they AS would always be at the top of the queue. It is a very tough balancing act. Don't feel bad at all - you're not being pushy. The current goal is to respond in less than 24 hours and if possible to review twice per day. Yesterday a number of urgent tasks toppled that schedule. The first review happened (at around 0600) but there were no FPs at that time. I'm working to increase the review cycle... there are just a lot of things going on right now. Just so everyone knows, we do hear - loud and clear - that responding to FPs is important, and we have been much better about it over the recent past. I expect that service aspect to improve moving forward along with other things. AS I can wait (PS - would have calmed my nerves, if there had been some AS automatic ticket number response that reassured me that my email AS was received. The web site makes it sound as if there's a million AS reasons why a false positive might not be accepted - so an automatic AS confirmation might be a good self-service tool. That's a good point. I'll look at that possibility when I rewrite the false processing bot. We're getting a lot of spam lately at our false@ address and I would want to make sure that there was no outscatter. I can tell the bot to only respond to validated senders, but then there is the issue of email reliability in the response... what if you don't get the response I mean. ... There are still folks that occasionally (some frequently) send false reports from unauthorized addresses --- those would not get a response... I'm overthinking this now %^b When I get to the false processing bot I will add a response mechanism. Thanks! _M This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
Re: Re[2]: [sniffer] False Positive - no reaction?
That queue concept would be wonderful! Hopefully it would have some simple info extracted to show recipient, sender, subject, header info, and info on the rule(s) it failed. One of my ongoing challenges is matching responses to reports and following up to see what additional actions are required. Darin. - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sniffer@SortMonster.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [sniffer] False Positive - no reaction? Hi Pete, I agree that the email notification is tricky - because you might respond to spam - and, you may NOT respond to someone who did not use an authorized address. On the other hand, if I KNEW there was an auto-response and I did NOT get a response, it would be an indication to me, the user, that I must have done something wrong. So - in a sense - no response is also a message I can act on. The only other suggestion I have is to create a 24 hour 'queue' display on the web site. All you need to show is a column of the sender domain names of the email (not the entire sender email address). If I submit a false positive I can confirm that it made it into your queue by checking the web page. This way, you don't need to send automated emails. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete McNeil Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:04 AM To: Andy Schmidt Subject: Re[2]: [sniffer] False Positive - no reaction? On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, 10:16:11 AM, Andy wrote: AS Sorry - didn't mean to be pushy. I just thought that false AS positives are worse than missed spam, so I had assumed that they AS would always be at the top of the queue. It is a very tough balancing act. Don't feel bad at all - you're not being pushy. The current goal is to respond in less than 24 hours and if possible to review twice per day. Yesterday a number of urgent tasks toppled that schedule. The first review happened (at around 0600) but there were no FPs at that time. I'm working to increase the review cycle... there are just a lot of things going on right now. Just so everyone knows, we do hear - loud and clear - that responding to FPs is important, and we have been much better about it over the recent past. I expect that service aspect to improve moving forward along with other things. AS I can wait (PS - would have calmed my nerves, if there had been some AS automatic ticket number response that reassured me that my email AS was received. The web site makes it sound as if there's a million AS reasons why a false positive might not be accepted - so an automatic AS confirmation might be a good self-service tool. That's a good point. I'll look at that possibility when I rewrite the false processing bot. We're getting a lot of spam lately at our false@ address and I would want to make sure that there was no outscatter. I can tell the bot to only respond to validated senders, but then there is the issue of email reliability in the response... what if you don't get the response I mean. ... There are still folks that occasionally (some frequently) send false reports from unauthorized addresses --- those would not get a response... I'm overthinking this now %^b When I get to the false processing bot I will add a response mechanism. Thanks! _M This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
RE: Re[2]: [sniffer] False positive
Pete, other than database update e-mails, I see know e-mails from @microneil.com or [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the last 2 days received by my server. John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete McNeil Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:45 AM To: John Tolmachoff (Lists) Subject: Re[2]: [sniffer] False positive I have your response in my sent folder. I will send it again.. _M On Monday, September 12, 2005, 8:37:52 PM, John wrote: JTL I also have sent some false positives in the last 2 weeks with no response, JTL the lastest being at 09/10/05 at 9:49 AM PDT. JTL John T JTL eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JTL On Behalf Of Pete McNeil Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 5:08 AM To: Ali Resting Subject: Re: [sniffer] False positive On Friday, September 9, 2005, 2:17:31 AM, Ali wrote: AR Hi Peter, AR I have submited 3 email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with all the required AR fields as per you instaructions on the website, I have not received JTL any AR feedback whether this request has been effected. I cleared the false positives queue last night. I don't see any messages in there from you today. You should have received a response for each submission. I will review my responses and get back to you off list. Thanks, _M This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information JTL and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html JTL This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For JTL information and (un)subscription instructions go to JTL http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
