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From: Mike Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The time is now for the end of RCSEMaybe you can mention your favorite
technical guru's
discussion, flame war or Sal bashing
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Well, this is a sad day, Mike. Although I suppose it had to
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From: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...I just read the design article about the Kinetic in this latest issue and
have to say it is the best article I have
ever read in a model magazine.
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Pat beat me to it -- I wanted to say the same. I was
Okay, OVSS aspirants and all you other sailplane lovers, the Gateway Open is
fast approaching.
The contest WILL be held at its traditional location, the Emerald View Turf
Farm, Highway 79, O'Fallon MO. The flood made a mess of things, but the field
has recovered. It isn't its usual beautiful
Thanks for the plug, Ben! Our website is always good for a little entertainment
value -- check it out, folks.
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From: Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [RCSE] Have you been reading the MVSA's flying reports?
You should be!
Some great writing on soaring going on
- Original Message
From: Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...let me pitch you my argument for...better attention paid to handlaunch by
soaring in general.
Well, Ben, after hearing about how all you young bucks were having fun with
these HL planes, I got me one of 'em and
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From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...time to make RES a 2 day event and relegate 2 Meter to 1 day contest
That gets my vote.
- Original Message
From: Mike Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...F3j with the current rules is broken. It is very much the luck of the
timer. I know the past few team selections, which timer you had was
good for a 1 second difference in flight time
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Mike's point may
Johnny, you da man!
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From: Dennis Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...Johnny Berlin...has now completed all level V requirements...
Some other congratulations on F3J results are due:
Andreas Herrig now has the remarkable distinction of having designed the
airfoil for both the current F3B WC and the F3J WC. I don't know if anybody
else has ever done that -- maybe Helmut Quabeck. Anyway, very cool.
Dieter Perlick now has
There are some pictures on the WC web site. No writte details, but it appears
that David Hobby was one of the winners. It would have been quite cool to see
the top guys flying EZGs.
For all details and pix, see JoJo's blog:
http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2008/index.htm
Scroll down 3/4 way to pic of Hobby, Reinecke (2nd), Kolb (3rd) holding their
foam gliders. A pretty high-powered trio!
There's an accompanying narrative. The planes were launched from bungees, F3J
style of course. 2
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From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...An extra responsibility like collecting model information is something the
CD, usually a volunteer who does not fly the event, probably doesn't need
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At the Gateway Open we requested this info on the
As all you Gateway
Open aspirants know, the contest had to be rescheduled. There was talk
of having it this coming weekend, June 28-29, but that isn't going to
work because of continued flooding and other concerns.
At this moment we are trying to shoot for August 23-24. That will be
right in the
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From: Klaus Weiss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...Wouldn't be nearly as bad, if you had put the word 'FOR' in front of you...
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ROFLMAO! Klaus, that gave me the best laugh I had yesterday.
Gateway Open will be RESCHEDULED!!
The
field is still completely dry, but the water is lapping at the
neighboring fields and the drainage conduits around our field. It's
forecast to rise 3 - 4 more feet. Therefore the TD contest will be
RESCHEDULED (not
To all those who are planning to come to the Gateway Open (June 20-22) this
Friday (HL), Saturday (Unlimited) and Sunday (Unlimited):
At this moment the weather is beautiful, the field is dry, and all is well.
However, the water-level forecast is very unpromising.
If the Mississippi River
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Tiger Woods, Paris Hilton, and Elvis have been invited.
..And me too!
Actually we invited Gordy first of anybody, even before we invited Elvis.
The Gateway Open, THE summer event, timed this year to coincide with the pagan
Feast of the Solstice.
Dance with the naked Vestals at dawn. See how the sun illuminates the
Sacred Landing Spot at exactly noon on June 21, the longest day of the
year. Drink the traditional flask of mead at sunset,
Mine came in the mail today and it is really gorgeous! If you haven't got one,
get one. It comes with an interesting guarantee: beautiful girls will walk up
to you on the street and talk to you when you're wearing it. This is backed by
DP's personal assurance.
They're great looking and it
I sniffed
Some pretty good lift
And my climb rate was swift
But then it cast me adrift
With a long way to go on the clock,
That was a nasty shock,
And now I'm looking for better air,
It has to be around here somewhere,
This isn't fair.
So I turned and went way over there
But was it better? Au
Dave, the place to ask this question is the Yahoo group for Xfoil. There you
will find many AVL users, and probably one or more who can tell you how to get
what you need.
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From: David Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: soaring Soaring@airage.com
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...I think I can return to St Louis on Friday evening about 9pm,
then attend the contest that weekend!...
He's talking about the weekend of June 21 and June 22, for the fabulous Gateway
Open. Welcome to Gordy and other
Yeah, I noticed that you said you placed in your last 20 contests, including
Missouri. This left me slightly confused.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [RCSE] WOW! Did you see this month's RCSD? Check out pages 42 to 45!
a pretty good article if I
Here's a Pike Perfect, a little bit of a fixer-upper:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1806429
Okay, you got me, Chris. But now I pre-congratulated him, so if he ever does
make it I won't have to do it again.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com soaring@airage.com
Sent: Wednesday,
It had to happen! Congratulations, Gordy. May you always enjoy the feeling, and
cherish the memories of the many milestones on the long road that got you there.
- Original Message
From: Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You should have sent this out a year ago
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Actually the Euro's low point was in 2002; at one point it was $0.80. Its most
recent climb began in late 2005, from about $1.18. Since then it's been just
about a
Last weekend I ordered a receiver from the Horizon website, but my fat fingers
clicked on the wrong item (top pins vs end pins). I realized this on Sunday
when it was too late to do anything about it. Monday morning I called them, and
I got really good service. It took the efforts of several
--Original message--
At least I am not alone in taking offense.
Aw, heck no, Ira. Virtually everybody on RCSE has an I beat Gordy button, and
approximately the same number have Gordy offended me. If you are an RCSE
aficionado, it's bound to happen. Mike Lachowski has one
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Did I mention that I took first place in Woody Class this weekend?...basking in
the after-glow of that
victory ;-)
==
Congratulations, Gordy. But don't forget that even though you may be the
reigning WC of
So Mike, if I understand this correctly, you keep trying until you make each
time, so the difference in scores will just be landings. Is that right or am I
confused?
On Feb 9, 2008 10:05 PM, mike reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...The rules are simple, do an 8min. 10min. 12min. and
- Original Message
If
KISS
is
always
better,
why
are
we
using
ailerons
and
flaps...
Albert Einstein said, Things should be made as simple as possible, but not too
simple. But then, he didn't post on RCSE.
Richard, Norbert Habe's database (www.habebert.com) has a little summary data
of all the airfoils he has designed, from HN-003 to HN-1091. The HN-216 is not
included. It's possible that he did design it and it's just not listed, but
it's also possible that some plane manufacturer chose this
No flying here today -- it snowed 8 last night. My high-school son had a snow
day off school, so we XC skied through the back yards of our neighborhood for
about an hour. Made me envy Skip, Cody, Jim and Dr Dan who can do it all the
time.
- Original Message
From: Jon Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There's a lot of profound wisdom packed in this single post
==
Why thank you, Jon. However, having said that...
==
... Always fun to pull at least ONE point out of context. ;) ;)
=
..you sly dog, you
Cal, I don't know about 3.5 but I have Realflight 4. It has no launch except
handlaunch, but here's what you do.
Use the flying field called Thermal Park. There are arrows showing various
air currents, including some pointing more or less straight up. Mouse around
until the plane is pointing
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...We simply have to do a better job of
letting the public at large know we out here
Will it matter what the format is... if very few, if any, show up to
compete? ...it is pretty easy to get bored and wish for new contests
formats, I think it is very
- Original Message
From: Tim Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...in a real
contest, 9 points or less out of ten, which corresponds to 900 or less out
of 1000, is a low score.
So what do you do when you have a typical OVSS field where 4 out of the 7 guys
come within
- Original Message
...Everybody who caught the air
just flies past the target time and lands within the thirty seconds to collect
their ten points
==
Still,
you can have the odd situation where four guys make 10+, and one makes
9:59; if I understand it correctly, he gets
Original message:
...To level the playing field and to reward players for not being prepared,
less skilled or less practiced...
=
At first glance it appears to do that. But if you think about how this would
have worked at contests you have attended, you might conclude
Original message:
...short of 10 minutes then zero flight points. Isn't that what all the top
experts do in each contest.
If you can't make the time, what makes you think you are good enough to get
landing points either?
===
Which suggests a slight variation on the 10-9-8 etc.
(Original Message):
...I don't like...normalizing the scores. The idea of giving one man 1000
points for a
flight while giving another flier half as many points for flying
twice as long in a different group is morally wrongIn seeded MOM,
normalizing isn't needed. That's
already done by
Original message:
Your heart is in the right place for club events, but please do not do this
at TNT...
===
Marc is right on. At a real contest, this sort of thing is fundamentally
unfair. If everybody launches into the same air and one guy finds the air and
gets max, while
Chuck Anderson wrote:
...Jam/Feb 1977...very smooth pulsing...if the contestant
held the foot peddle down and let the winch do the pulsingtension
limiter proved to be very reliable and we used if for
many yearsthe original tension limiter base is still
rusting in the weeds behind my
There have been various proposals about limiting winch current via a series
resistor, but nobody has mentioned directly governing line tension. It is
certainly possible to devise a gizmo that would measure line tension, average
it over some desired interval, and limit current flow to the winch
James MacLean wrote:
...I have given the auto line
tensioner a bit of thoughta bang bang sort
of controllerthe sensor...should be fairly simpleThe controller...a
simple 4 bit micro and a FET or relay to control the
winch solenoid
=
Yep, that's what I was
- Original Message
From: Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...My concern is the launching equipment. With
the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure
are becoming more prevelant
==
I wonder about this too. The Pike Perfect is
Marc Gellart wrote:
Hey Tony E., you are wrong about the largest ship to win the Nats. It was DP
with his Insanity, 3.7M.
==
Yeah, I know. I didn't say the PP was the biggest. I just said it was the
current WC and Nats Champ, and that it was 140, and that planes were
Terry, I have two perfects on 50 mhz. They're not full carbon, but that
appellation applies to the wings. I think they have the same amount of carbon
in the fuse layup as the full-carbon version. One is the standard version, the
other the SL version.
Anyway, I simply added 24 of wire to the
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From: TJB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I made one and it costs almost as much to make as
to buy one and takes a lot of time. ...
==
In line with what Tom said, I bought a small (5x5) machine on Ebay from a
dental supply company. Dentists use them to make retainers etc.
- Original Message
... I presented my opinions as to what is a benchmark, and specifically stated
my qualifications
=
This thread seems to be confused by the difference between the words
benchmark and landmark. Way back at the beginning, the original reference
- Original Message
...Mark never built a 130 Aegea wing. The 130 Aegea was a wing
design
that he did for some CRRC club members who wanted to have a wing with
the AG
series airfoils for their Mantis sailplanes
The design threads behind the Aegea, which
The Dec 2007 National Geographic has a neat article on albatrosses. These
soaring birds have spans up to 11 1/2 feet and cover as much as 500 miles per
day, using dynamic soaring techniques to gain lift from the wind gradient above
the waves. The article's description of how it works is not
Well, for size, there's the Sailaire.
For everybody has had one at one time or another, there's the Oly or Gentle
Lady.
For dominating the TD scene for the longest time, there's the Icon.
For quality, there's the PP Super Lite.
For obtainability, there's the Supra.
For the plane that people love,
From: Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...If you do not sandbag... you will probably not have a chance...
... the OVSS...format has evolved over time to be the most fair and really the
most fun of any
event for a competition sailplane person.
==
and before that,
=
Ray Hayes wrote:
Well, the last shreds of the mylar came out today, thanks to the suggestion on
Warren Man-son Hing's site that I referenced in a post here yesterday. I
received a dozen (actual count) suggestions as to how to do it so as to avoid a
repeat of this problem. You guys are great -- I promise that
I needed a fiberglass ballast tube, 1/2" i.d. x 18" long. I rolled some mylar around a 1/2" dowel and fiberglassed it -- it came out looking great. However, I can't get the doggone thing off the mylar. I can get the mylar off the dowel, but can't get any farther. Next time, more wax on mylar. But
Thanks to the many helpful replies I got to my 'stuck on mandrel' post. I got down to where there were just shreds of mylar stuck inside the tube. The answer to that turned out to be on Warren Man-son Hing's page:http://www.badger.rchomepage.com/rollboom.htmlwherein he suggested that if you had
I have a Paasche D100 compressor that I have long used to run my airbrush. I
just got a bigger compressor, and now I'm thinking there oughta be a way to
turn the D100 into a vacuum pump. I haven't taken it apart yet, but just
looking around the outside I can't figure out where the intake is. No
I got a new Sombra programmable rx (www.sombralabs.com) from Barry Kennedy
today.
It's a double-conversion PPM unit that doesn't have a crystal; you program it
to the desired channel with an external gizmo that plugs in, does its job, and
then unplugs.
The rx itself is a tiny board (8 grams)
Ken Shaw wrote:
A few weeks ago there was a link to a web page I believe in England
about preparing and bagging a wing.
Probably http://www.favonius.com/soaring/bagging/bagging.htm
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- Original Message
Someone finally got [Gordy] to fly RES and he seems to like it!
Yeah, he caught the bug after he had so much fun at the Nats RES
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Jim, I'm reading the Spektrum manual and I don't see any wing type for 4-servo
wings with separate flaps and ailerons. I'm probably missing some obvious
work-around, but on first glance it doesn't look as if they gave the sailplane
boys much of a thought when they designed the programming.
hate to give up
any of those little programming wrinkles
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From: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: soaring@airage.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:46:39 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
Jim, I'm reading the Spektrum manual and I don't
While sending out scoring spreadsheets for seeded MOM, I got a request for a
spreadsheet to set up the flight groups for matrix MOM. I don't know how many
are interested, since matrix MOM is not flown too often, but I thought I'd post
this comment.
There's no need for a computer to set up the
Anybody have an email address for Rick Shelby? Thanks.
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---Original message---
From: Tom Broeski tom@inventorforhire.com
Look at the age range of the flyoffs. Pretty wide. The old guys can't say
it's a young man's sport and the young can't say it's an old guy's sport.
===
Well, speaking as the oldest contestant (I
Suppose the winch is spinning at 2500 rpm. The circumference of a 3" drum is 9.42 in, so the winch will pull in 2500 * 9.42 inches each minute. That means that the line would be moving at 22.3 mph along the ground. Of course, the drum diameter and/or the rpm are probably something different, but
to
figure out if Im an old guy or a young guy in soaring at 49 years old?
Richard
- Original Message -
From: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Soaring@airage.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Muncie - Soaring Masters Final Scores
Or just take your tach out to the field, draw a line on the winch flange, and
measure its rpm. Winchdoc posted some representative readings on rcse a couple
of years ago.
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From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: RBurnoski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: soaring@airage.com
I kept a diary of my WSM experiences and emailed them back to the members of my
club. It's too long to post here, but it's now posted on the MVSA website at:
www.mvsaclub.com
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From: Brian Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
High capacity does not necessarily equate to low internal
resistance
That's the truth. The highest internal resistance of any pack I ever had is my
2700 mAH NiMH receiver pack (AA size). When you wiggle six servos at once,
The pic of it is on the ESL site at
http://www.flyesl.com/News-y-Articles/featured_article.asp?FORUM_ID=7TOPIC_ID=221
I was intrigued too, and Anker Berg-Sonne described it to me in an email. The
way it works is that you have a lineup of, say, four winches with chutes but no
retrievers.
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From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [RCSE] Oh What A Ride, Extra 300 That Is
==
Wow, what a great story. Your stomach is a lot better than mine, Bubba. I'm
green with envy!
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Jeff,
Here's one for you. Our club once flew an event called SM1LE, standing for
Simple Multitask 1-Lap Event.
You launched into the wind, then went back behind the launch point. You then
had a time limit by which you had to get on the course, which started near the
launch point and went
you could accumulate points for actually
getting your model out of a tree without destroying it by throwing a line tied
to a rockI was a witness for one guy who tried for that Merit Badge but his attempt was a failure.
...Seems like the people that can afford a quiver full of moldies don't want the wood workers to have anything to work for ...I want to check into something that I can complete with my wood airplane==I believe Cal Posthuma has achieved Level V TWICE with a hand-built wood airplane.
I just discovered that I had inadvertantly failed to send a spreadsheet to one
of the guys who requested it. If anybody else asked for a copy but didn't get
it, please let me know.
Thanks to those who have sent feedback. Several have said that they propose to
use it in upcoming club contests,
I may be wrong (probably am), but perhaps some of the unease in the world could
be mitigated by one little change in the LSF rules, without changing any tasks
at all.
The rules say: requirements for the subsequent Levels may be achieved any time
after the previous Level form has been
So many folks have requested (and I hope received) the MOM spreadsheet that we
should be seeing MOM contests 24/7 from now on.
Y'all please keep me updated with any improvements that you may develop!
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Okay, I have sent out about twenty, and I think/hope I have answered everybody
who requested the spreadsheet. If you requested one and did not get my email
with the spreadsheet attached, please let me know.
I hope you guys plan to put this to good use by trying MOM in your club
contests. We
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Congratulations to the new OVSS Champ, Marc Gellart.
===
Great flying by an all-around good guy. Marc dropped 13 points out of 5000 --
hard to beat that performance. MVSA still claims Marc as an honorary member.
You
I also use an Excel spreadsheet. It computes scores and normalized scores,
arranges competitors in order of standings, and sets up the flight group for
the next round instantly as soon as times are entered. Anybody who wants a copy
is welcome to it, just email me. In order to set it up for the
I have been deluged with requests. I will forward the sheet late tonite or
tomorrow morning to everyone who asked, but now I realize that I better add
some instructions to it, so give me a little while to do that.
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From: Lee Estingoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]We make a lot of the UAVs go, and we displayed a UAV that we make the
entire electronics suite for -- autopilot, gps, comms, and of course motor
controls.
Also had some of our new cool stuff to show and tell -- Berg 7, SHV,
and more.
==Lee,
From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WOW! Nowhere has so much talent gathered for one weekend.
A lot of the bright lights of today's scene are on the list; and also, I see a
lot of old coots like me who used to do this 30 years ago have roused
themselves to
From: David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mark SmithJust amazing coordination, timing and skill
===
Yep, in every aspect of his flying. He flew the rubber seagulls in the Jonathan
Livingston movie. It'll be really cool to see Mark again after 30 years.
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Good Jerry Douglas music, John. And of course, congratulations on the wonderful job of climbing to level V.
Fellas, this has all been covered in the Weenie Manifesto as promulgated by the
Weenies of Soaring and leaked to outsiders by someone on the Grand Weenie
Council.
You can go to the Yahoo soaring group where our archives are stored, Files
section, and see a file there of a post from March 7,
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [RCSE] Re:Really practical ideas
A hearty Well Done to the Long
Island Silent Flyers for a very practical solution - quoting from their
recent posting:
New to the contests are the Novice class, and Novices can register for
FREE.
Under 18 and Over 65 are also
For those who may not know about the gorgeous fuselages Terry makes for the
Supra, I just wanna say that I received mine in the mail today and you should
get one too. Strong, light, sleek, beautiful craftsmanship. Now I have a long
building project ahead.
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...bubbles as in bubble wrap. The bubbles contain Air, trapped air will
continue to
get warmer as the sun hits the surface.
=
Air is a pretty good insulator. The insulating properties of your fiberglass
mat home insulation, the down in your sleeping bag, the foam
From: Robert Samuels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
if anyone out there can give us some research based information on far a
human can discern an object like a 3m sailplane I'd sure like to hear it.
==
Well, it depends on lighting and contrast. For resolving front-lit objects
Butch was one creature in the soaring world who was one hundred percent liked
by everyone who knew him. Sincere sympathies to Johnny -- we'll all miss Butch.
Tony Estep.
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From: Douglas, Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marc and his catcher stance landings...
=
After I saw Marc do it, I tried it too. Missed my landing and pulled a muscle
in my back.
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Try the AG35 (http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles/drelaairfoils/ag35.dat)That's the design airfoil. On my older Ava the actual airfoil was pretty close to the AG35 but a little bit thicker. You can match your wing by thickening the AG35 if necessary.- Original Message From: David
I repaired my Ava and later traded it to my flying buddy Glauco Lago. He then did some more repairs. In the process, he and I both made ribs for the plane, so I know we figured out the airfoil; but it isn't what I said in my previous post.Glauco just reminded me that the Ava airfoil is not a match
From: Harry DeBoer [EMAIL PROTECTED]All I can say is WOW what a floater, I can't
wait to get her ballasted up and see what she can do for speed. This thing is
HUGE and nimble...===Sounds cool. I've seen plenty of Avas but never saw the Super. I hope to check one out soon.
From: George Gillburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I recall Joe flew an Icon for part of the contest and
the winner was flying a Supra for most of the contest...
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David Hobby, the winner, was flying a Pike Perfect. Joe flew his regular Icon
and his Icon Lite.
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From: Don Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rolf Oetter, Canada (3rd place) was flying an Icon Lite. Joe Wurts,
USA (4th place) was flying various Icons. Arend Borst, Canada (6th
place) was flying an Icon Lite wing and stab on a Supra fuse. Carl
Strautins, Australia (11th place) was flying
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