[RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-24 Thread John Erickson
Mike, I¹m the ³people² here, but I¹m just following the sage advice of those who have gone before us. Chuck¹s testament: After a few years, we began receiving complaints about not being able to zoom so in order to satisfy those who came to zoom instead of thermal, we added a bypass switch. If

Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-23 Thread Mike Lachowski
Wow, I have my own land now. Cool... I have no idea who came up with the idea of using a threaded rod. But I always liked when everyone else used them since while a threaded rod is easy to adjust, it's the poorest at getting rid of the heat generated. Flat sheets are nicer. And stainless

Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-22 Thread Jeff Steifel
Without knowing for sure, I don't think we want the same resistance as the F3B winches. The F3B winches use mono so they get power from that, and the FLS draws way more amperage, so if we resistor down to where the F3B winches are the resistors will probably get smoked... I would think we would

Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-22 Thread mrmaserati
Jeff, I had a FLS wade built motor powered winch with a wide drum that I used with mono for F3B and with braided 200 lb test line for TD. this winch had a 1/2 inch dia threaded stainless steel rod as a resistor to make it F3B legal and it was never disconnected. 1) You can't hurt the S/S rod

Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-22 Thread Anker Berg-Sonne
There's a much better method than using a resistor. The resistor generates heat that is pure wasted energy. Instead, an automatic pulser that cuts the power to the solenoids when the current exceeds a certain value is a much better solution. There's an even better advantage to this solution

Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-22 Thread Dick Barker
One big advantage of the resistor is that the heat goes into the air - not into the windings and brushes when you start pulsing the juice for a power limit. Dick Barker HLG doesn't need any stinking winch! At 12:38 PM -0500 12/22/07, Anker Berg-Sonne wrote: There's a much better method than

Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-22 Thread Jeff Steifel
Dave, all well and good, but the average club/pilot doesn't have a wide drum only a drum that equals the length of the long shaft. Hell if we use a wide drum there's no need for a long shaft, just build an F3B winch. I have used my F3B winch with braided on occasion, it doesn't have the zip

Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-22 Thread Martin Usher
That resistor rod is a really good idea -- simple, effective and robust. A lot of the discussion about launching has been the effect on the line but that's the least of our problems. We've put stronger line on our winches -- we're at 270lb test at the moment -- but all that's done for us is

Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-22 Thread mrmaserati
Actually I haven't proposed that we use specific F3B winches for TD, but to use the F3B resistance spec. as base line to better control and equalize the FLS powered winches for our US TD comps and allow the lower lb test line usage. A side effect is that this would allow a FLS powered winch to

Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-22 Thread davidhauch
- Original Message - From: Martin Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity That resistor rod is a really good idea -- simple, effective and robust. A lot of the discussion about launching has

[RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-22 Thread mrmaserati
I think Dennis Phelan, of Mike Lachowski Land, deserves the credit for the S/S threaded resistor rod rod for use with the FLS Motors. At least I got my first one from Dennis when he graduated to a F3B specific winch. So blame Dennis, not me. Regards, Dave Corven. RCSE-List facilities provided

[RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-21 Thread mrmaserati
Long, but read it anyway. Tension limiter discussions come and go and even the simplest concepts not only add a substantial cost to each winch an more potential failure points which could put a winch in a contest situation down for the day, where a broken line can usually repaired within a few

Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-21 Thread Gary Rexroad
That makes Good sense. Some people have to much time to think. GOOD Job Dave !!! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: [RCSE] Launching Sanity Long

Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-21 Thread S Meyer
At 09:44 PM 12/21/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I propose that we get the Soaring Nats winches resistorised for this years Soaring Nats and with lighter line than the 300 lb test line that we have migrated to this last year. ... But they launched a 52 oz 2 meter Duck in downwind with