[RCSE] FLIGHT 587 and R/C MODELS

2001-11-19 Thread Paul Rickie Clark
As will be remembered last year Gary Levitz lost his life in the spectacular breakup and crash--with the props still turning--of Miss Ashley II !! With our R/C gliders we know how deadly flutter can be to a model. It is understandable how flutter likely took apart the elevator and the

Re: [RCSE] FLIGHT 587 and R/C MODELS

2001-11-19 Thread jaffee
Not totally sure of this, but I don't believe the rudder seperated from the finthe entire vertical fin seperately cleanly from the fuselage. Now we have major failure of components in a jet airliner, Flight 587, leading to the tragic crash and loss of life. Turbulence! Fractured fin,

RE: [RCSE] Best Discount Online Air Fares

2001-11-19 Thread Marc Gellart
Pat, My wife and are going out along with Jerry Shape to PHX, we are all going on Southwest. About any airline's online reservations area about as good as they get, up until right before the time of departure and they can get even better, but I was not waiting that late. We are round

Re: [RCSE] RDS drag reduction, speed increase.

2001-11-19 Thread MyMassMail
Harley, EXQUISITE! At first a good idea is ridiculed and maligned by those who don't understand it, slowly it is accepted, so much so that finally it is embraced as their own! Author unknown. Give them MORE time. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and

Re: [RCSE] FLIGHT 587 and R/C MODELS

2001-11-19 Thread Bill Harris
Evidence is pointing to catastrophic failure of composite (CF) components in the fin. Photos of the 587 stab are at: http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/2001/AA587/tailcomp.htm Good, non-talking_head coverage of the mishap is at: http://aviationnow.com/ And cutaway drawings of the affected parts are

Re: [RCSE] Built-up Balsa slope kits?

2001-11-19 Thread Jeff Nibler
Bruce and Keith... you both recommended the SIG Ninja. It looks right along the lines of what I'm looking for. I live in Oregon and the slope winds here can be strong a lot of the time. With some extra ballast, how does this plane handle strong winds? What about in times of light lift?

Re: [RCSE] RDS drag reduction, speed increase.

2001-11-19 Thread Mark Drela
This did stiffen the surfaces to an acceptible level, but there was still some flex right where the rod bends 45 or 90 degrees. An all carbon rod would be ideal! Uh.. actually, a carbon rod would be horrible. Unidirectional carbon has a puny shear modulus compared to steel, even aluminum.

RE: [RCSE] FLIGHT 587 and R/C MODELS

2001-11-19 Thread Mark Drela
These articles are indeed very interesting. The more I read, the more it does not make sense. Could the tail coming off, also cause the engines to fall off? And what about reports that fire was seen coming out of an engine. Here's one feasible scenario... Vertical tail falls off. Airplane

[RCSE] Re: Built-up Balsa slope kits?

2001-11-19 Thread Reed Sherman
Hey Jeff, Glad to hear there may be another slope addict in the world. Have to say, though, that your idea about having a bigger ship because your slope lift is strong is not quite accurate. I fly a 70 oz, 44 wingspan jet-looking sailplane at my home slope because the slope lift is so dang

Re: [RCSE] Re: Built-up Balsa slope kits?

2001-11-19 Thread Paul Breed
The Sig Nija is a good choice, but reenforce the fues behind the wing. If you don't I guarantee it will break there. I also like the Dynaflight Talon a fully built up ship and thus a bit fragile, but a Fun ship. I just moved back to San Diego after a 10 year absence, and I am almost done

RE: [RCSE] FLIGHT 587 and R/C MODELS

2001-11-19 Thread Ade
These articles are indeed very interesting. The more I read, the more it does not make sense. Could the tail coming off, also cause the engines to fall off? And what about reports that fire was seen coming out of an engine. Here's one feasible scenario... Vertical tail falls off.

Re: [RCSE] Re: Built-up Balsa slope kits?

2001-11-19 Thread Bill Harris
Good point, Lincoln. It depends on how nice your slopes (and especially your landing zones) are. I've seen some slopes in pastures that look like gold fairways; my usual slopes are rocky, brushy and brambly, and landings can be thought of as arrival events. To this end, Zagis and wings are

[RCSE] Thought for the day

2001-11-19 Thread Tom H. Nagel
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[RCSE] Nothing lands like a Duck!!

2001-11-19 Thread DENDKN
1) Two Meter Duck, $400 wired and trimmed with Airtronics 141 servos in the wings and Airtronics 102s in the fuselage. This sailplane was built by the designer, Troy Lawicki, and has full ballast attachment hardware. It was flown and place well at the Nationals twice. E-mail photo available. ***

[RCSE] The best ever!!

2001-11-19 Thread James C Deck
No, it's not the Harry Potter movie (although it is quite good). I just received my 2002 USA F3J Team T-shirt and the art work is the best ever. I've been buying shirts like this for years - this one's a standout. The art work even makes it easy to explain just what F3J is. My compliments

Re: [RCSE] FLIGHT 587 and R/C MODELS

2001-11-19 Thread Scott Wathey
The pilots surely had no idea the tail came off, so differential power was probably never thought of. Scott Unless it was going slowly wouldn't it be fairly stable? I have lost fins on plank flying wings and it was only really a problem at low speed. The sweep angles that the big airliners

Re: [RCSE] Re: Foam cutting

2001-11-19 Thread Tom Koszuta
Tony, Make atransition ramp smoother. If a program is making it a sudden transition, redo it into a smooth one. I agree with one of the other replies that if you do the TE first that the wire may separate from the templates at the end of the travel. Stick with what's proven (or use

RE: [RCSE] More On Aerodynamic Sounds

2001-11-19 Thread Chuck Anderson
At 10:26 AM 11/19/2001 -0800, you wrote: The post equating Noise to Turbulence deserves another mention. There really is very little energy in the sound itself. Were it not for the associated Turbulence, sound would be trivial. Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janesville, CA At sound pressure

[RCSE] NINJA: was Built-up Balsa slope kits?

2001-11-19 Thread Brian Courtice
Years ago, the Sig Ninja was my first ever slope plane. Epp foam had not yet made the scene. The plane flew well and looked good, but the fuselage was extremely weak. Anything less than a perfect landing resulted in structural damage every time. A couple of years later there was even an article

Re: [RCSE] Flight 587 and R/C Models

2001-11-19 Thread Lincoln Ross
I think you're still not getting my point. I don't disagree that that's the failure mode, it's just that my understanding is that fatigue isn't supposed to be a problem with composite parts. If you know the history of the aircraft, then you know if it's been overloaded and whether you have to

[RCSE] Fun-1.... Oh no!!!!

2001-11-19 Thread Jeff Nibler
I gave him a ring and it looks like he's gotten out of it. About all he does is sell fuselages. The hunt continues... - Jeff From: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeff Nibler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Built-up Balsa slope kits? Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:22:50 -0600 Jeff,