Ok yesterday I thanked Polk`s. Today it is a big
thanks to all that are chipping in to help with expenses. Maybe it might just
happen that I am there.
And btw.. Yes I can be kind of "Gordy like"
annoying But I love you all...:-)
Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no
As has become a February tradition, I wish to thank CASL, Darwin, Mark, and
all those good guys and gals who ran the contest and activities. Got to
spend the day with my Mom on Friday and then had two great days of flying
after having a hell of a lot of off time from a really crappy winter here
Was looking over the scores posted last evening as an update to the SWC and
am kind of interested how this changed from the original scores that we saw
at the field, which was a cursory viewing for sure, and from what was up
last night here. What has changed?
Just interested...
- Original
If you missed it, you shouldn't have. The SWC was a great contest this
year. The CASL team did an excellent job organizing and running the event.
They had obviously done a lot of thinking about the field setup and the
landings and were prepared for just about any wind direction. They swapped
Hi Guys,
I have a Compulsion FS01 RES Plane for Sale. The fuse and wings are white with
red built-up tails. The plane includes a MPX mcV2 Digital Servo on elevator,
Hitec HS85MG on rudder and Hitec HS60's on the spoilers. This is
the plane that UPS broke for me the last time I tried selling
The DARTS sanction all their big contests, don't for the club contests,
the smaller events. We do however require AMA for all fliers and events
- club members present that to get their membership, new fliers need to
prove their AMA status before contests.
For us, it's part of our deal with the
Wing design is very complex. Folks make careers out of doing it.
I'd suggest getting a copy of a spreadsheet written by John Hazel called
something like Liftroll. It's a good way to play with the basic aspects and
make reasonable choices of span, twist and chord. The basic principles are
Save those expensive wings from hanger rashÂ… Wing Sox are now available for any
variety of planes. Three panel sets are available for the Topaz, AVA, Sharon,
Thermik, Mantis, Pike and Icon. Two panel sets are available for planes like
the Emerald, Psyko, Millennium, Addiction/Compulsion, etc.
Joe Nave has done a real nice set of graphs showing the
distribution of times by flight group with one graph for each round. Its
very interesting. Here is the link:
http://www.rcsoaring.com/scores/05casldetails/05casldetails.htm
Thanks for the work Joe,
Hank Schorz
...hosed ! :-)
It sort of shows the thermal cycles for each day.
What will be awesome is to see what a Man on Man contest would look like in
comparison.
Thanks Joe! Great stuff!
Gordy
now if we can get a listing of the sailplanes flown :-)
Thanks to the group from CASL for a real nice contest.
Special thanks to Darwin for his usual teriffic and professional job.
**
Henry P. Schorz
Executive Vice President - Chief Scientist
ACT Litigation Services
27200 tourney
Hi All
I'm building a HM Ventus 2ax 5 m model
sailplane.
I've used Hitec digi servos thought.
HS-5245MG digi Mini HS 5125 MG Digi thin
wing servos.
What I've noticed is they burn out very
easily..
What's up
I haven't gotten my plane in the air yet
andI've burned up 5 of the servos
Marc et. al.,
It seems that there were some numerical matters in the original scores...
;)
Joe
- Original Message -
From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Joe Nave [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] UPDATE: SWC Scores
So are these thefinal, final scores,,, and what is with scoring
errors on big contests lately? I wasn't there just want to knowwho were
therealwinners.
joe
- Original Message -
From: Hank Schorz
To: soaring@airage.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:00
AM
Send me an email, my filter ate your first attempt!
Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com
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Oh and on this subject, I would like to add that while perusing the score
sheet after day one, I was going down the placings and kind of speaking the
names loud enough to be heard. There was this guy with a camera taking
pictures of the scoreboard with his significant other behind me. I spoke
Wow!!! MY APPOLOGIES JIM!
I thought you were defending the no harm no foul crowd. I seem to
have a harder time following the threads in RCSE as a guest than I do
on RCGroups.com.
Sooo.. I guess to Bill and Simon YOU steal it you deserve to be
punished in every since of the copyright laws
This is simply a great contest... Even when the TSA tries to take
the tail off of your airplane on the way, then the automatic door
on the minivan tries to finish the job!
I had a great time out there again flying against all (most) of
the big names from the Western US... we missed you this
Hey Jim,,,
Sorry about that.. I posted in the other thread with my appology to
you. I dont quite understand why there always seems to be a newer
thread on an old subject in RCSE. It works to just continue to add more
posts to the same thread on RC Groups but that doesnt seem to hold true
on the
So this issue doesn't grow a head of its own, there
were some final round scoring issues. Apparently a couple of landing scores were
not entered which scrambled a few places. They have been corrected and those
affected will be contacted.
As a point of interest utilizing some round numbers
If you can't find John's spreadsheet, I can forward either the simpler
earlier version or a more involved later version. If I can figure out how, I
could just put it on my website.
Sorry to intrude upon someone else's conversation here, but I was not aware
there was a more involved later
At 09:24 AM 2/8/05 -0800, Albert E. Wedworth wrote:
Hi
All
I'm building a HM Ventus 2ax 5 m model
sailplane.
I've used Hitec digi servos
thought.
HS-5245MG digi Mini HS 5125 MG
Digi thin wing servos.
What I've noticed is they burn out very
easily..
What's up
I haven't gotten my plane in
Once again, like a ruddy bull in a china shop...
Not sure which or what Bill you are refering to, but YOU should first read
what people (including me) actually wrote! I will (patiently) wait for your
apology as well...
To recap for the hard of reading; Copyright is NOT what we were discussing,
Wing design is very complex. Folks make careers out of doing it.
I hadn't noticed ;-)
I'd suggest getting a copy of a spreadsheet written by John Hazel called
something like Liftroll. It's a good way to play with the basic aspects and
make reasonable choices of span, twist and chord. The basic
Tord Eriksson wrote:
On Sunday 06 February 2005 15.54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just my gut feeling: Yes, yes, yes!
But add a vacuum switch, of course!
... and an airtank to act as a vauum resevoir so the pump doesn't
have to run continuously.
FWIW, I recently updated my page on adding an
On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:38:35AM -0800, Simon Van Leeuwen wrote:
| Apparent(!) patent infringement is what Lockheed Martin (the example in the
| original thread) is using to thwart those who wish to offer radio control
| models, AND static (plastic) models that look similar to what they built
I was interested in your reason for using a reservoir, relay, vacuum switch
etc. You stated the reason was so that the pump does not have to run all
the time.
Be aware that most vacuum pumps are actually designed for 24/7 operation
cycles. The constant starting and stopping associated with the
Paul Breed wrote:
After much feedback I bough a new 2 flute cutter and tried again.
The ribs are much better with no sanding needed.
This is shown as an added last picture on the web
page:http://www.rasdoc.com/splinter/RibsCut.htm
or you can see it directly
Ed Berris wrote:
Be aware that most vacuum pumps are actually designed for 24/7 operation
cycles. The constant starting and stopping associated with the type of
system you are talking about actually subjects your pump to much more wear
rather than less.
Yup. Less wear on my ears though.
A bad
You can only optimize a wing with one airfoil for one speed. You then
either need to compromise for good performance at more than one speed or
accept the poor performance at other speeds. The old floaters are good
examples of this. This is one of the reasons that camber flaps are so
I have a Saphire For sale on RC groups.
Price and Pics on link below.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3291861#post3291861
Thanks,
John Fruge
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Was I asking too much? How about $210 and I pay the
shipping?
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
- Original Message -
From:
Darwin N. Barrie
To: Soaring Digest
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:15
PM
Subject: [RCSE] Airtronics Servos
FS
I have 5 141's that are
I can use LiftRoll to adjust twist to make it look like an elipse or
not, but how do I generate the comparison number from my origional post,
IE wing 1 will have min sink of 1 fps and wing 2 will have minimum sink
of X fps?
You don't necessarily want an elliptical lift distribution in a
Anyone help me with contacting Ron? Thank in advance. Richard Burnoski
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F/S NIB RD8000 8Ch Radio system
Price and info on link below.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3292050#post3292050
Thanks,
John Fruge
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Well, I changed the file names long ago and I forget exactly what they used
to be.
However, the newer sheet has the input data shown in COLOR
(red,black,yellow,white) while the older one does not. Personally, I've not
had any reason for the newer sheet's complexity.
I'm thinking the two have are
I can use LiftRoll to adjust twist to make it look like an elipse or not
but how do I generate the comparison number from my origional post,
IE wing 1 will have min sink of 1 fps
and wing 2 will have minimum sink of X fps?
Beats me.
I suspect that the spreadsheet is not capable of that level
As for a web page
bits and pieces at different times...
The most current page is:
http://www.rasdoc.com/splinter/solar2004.htm
The collection of related pages (Many Many really outdated)
http://www.rasdoc.com/splinter
At 01:32 PM 2/8/2005, you wrote:
I can use LiftRoll to adjust twist to make it
Because uprocessor-based servos are attempting to achieve and hold a commanded
position much more aggressively than non processor-based servos, component
matching (proper servo for the job at hand) and set-up is much more critical.
Jittering (poor RF communication causing servos to hunt),
My apologies, maybe it was you have gave a nice breakdown of copyright versus
patent.
Good points..which makes me wonder precisely what the original threat of
litigation to cease and disist manufacture of replica miniatures was about...
Quoting Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Tue, Feb
Anybody out there know of a paint stripper that I can use on a glass fuse
without destroying it.
Thanks
EDG
Pittsburgh
I've found that rubbing alcohol easily removes Krylon paint from glass
surfaces. I use toilet tissue wetted with the alcohol.
Robert Samuels.St. Louis
From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:29:01 -0800
What do those of you do, who bag wings in which the
Thomas,
I'm still trying to figure out how the Sharon 3.7 does it. The Sharon's
flew beautifully this last weekend in Phoenix. Great plane for the mid
winds and thermal cycles they had at the contest.
The Sharon has a 7037 at the root, transitioning to a RG-15 at the tips.
Seems totally
Satelite photos and cell phone traffic indicatethe JoJo conspiracy
activity focus'd in the PowayCaliforniaand Huntsville Alabama
areas!
This is nearly as devious as the "Roo" Mystery!
More as things develop.
Gordy
Folks please respond to the list as well because I would be interested in
the answer to Ed's question.
EJ
- Original Message -
From: Edwin Lightcap [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Balsa Sailplanes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RC Soaring
Exchange soaring@airage.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:05 PM
There is a paint stripper made specifically for fiberglass. I found it in a
Lowes or Home Depot in a qt. can. I don't know the brand, but it
specifically said it was for fiberglass. It worked good on a motorcycle
fairing I painted a few years back.
George Voss
-Original Message-
From:
Edwin Lightcap wrote:
Anybody out there know of a paint stripper that I can use on a glass
fuse without destroying it.
Thanks
EDG
Pittsburgh
Ed,
I got a quart from the local auto paint store. It was made especially
for removing paint from fiberglass. I have also seen Kleen-Strip for
If you check with any good boating supply store they will have strippers
made for use on fiberglass.
Myself I prefer to use my abrasive blaster loaded with walnut shells. It
allows me to have excellent control and leaves an excellent surface for
repainting.
michael
Ed Jett wrote:
Folks please
A mouse sander from BlackDecker works well for me."or
equivalent"
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:05:35 -0500 "Edwin Lightcap" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anybody out there know of a paint stripper that I can use on a glass fuse
without destroying it.
Thanks
EDG
Pittsburgh
Mike RemusLOFT
huh?
At 05:41 PM 2/8/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Satelite
photos and cell phone traffic indicate the JoJo conspiracy activity
focus'd in the Poway California and Huntsville Alabama areas!
This is nearly as devious as the Roo Mystery!
More as things develop.
Gordy
Jim
Downers Grove, IL
I have always used the cheap Super Tech carburator cleaner from Wal-Mart. $.78 cents a can I believe. Justput the fuse over a plastic garbage bag than has been split lengthwise and spray away. Wipe clean with paper towels. Use the appropriate gloves and eye protection, of course!
The walnut
The 9303 can be purchased in Mode-1 configuration. Our service department can
change an existing Mode-2 to Mode-1.
Thanks,
John
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Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 7:09 AM
To: Soaring@airage.com
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Does anyone have one of these little saws? Is it any good? It is
inexpensive, but is it cheap too?
EJ
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I only to a peak at the scores, didn't care that
much.Had to go catch an airplane before it was over. I live in Ohio and
came for the weather. Sat alone was worth the trip. You guys do a great job.
This was my fourth trip, hope to make it five nexth year
Jerry Shape
- Original Message
Mike, ping me back with your contact info. Something to do
about a team T-shirt you dropped on me!
Thanks and good luck to our USA Team, let's all show our
Support!!!
Edgar
The Soaring Junkie
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There is/was a school of thought that you decrease camber toward the tips to
reduce lift and vortex to decrease drag. What this does to overall
efficiency is questionable to me, but I am only an amateur aerodymanicist.
I expect that you increase effective wing load due to sacrifice of tip
lift in
I wouldnever use a Hitec servo of any kind for the
elevator. I use themin other applications but never the
elevator.
Walter
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Tom Hoopes [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
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Tuesday,
Hi Guys,
The Compulsion has been sold.
See Ya,
Pat
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From: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: soaring@airage.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: [RCSE] FS RES Compulsion FS01 Airfoil
Hi Guys,
I have a Compulsion FS01 RES Plane for Sale. The fuse and
I am looking for a couple of thin wing servos. I know JR has a digital thin
wing servo,
cant remember the number, very much similar to the Hitec 5125. I have heard
it is the same servo, made by the same people, but with different
electronics. Is that true? Just wondering because I know the 5125
I only to a peak at the scores, didn't care that much.Had to go catch an
airplane before it was over. I live in Ohio and came for the weather. Sat
alone was worth the trip.
Maybe that was because of the twenty you found..
You guys do a great job. This was my fourth trip, hope to make it
I am looking for a couple of thin wing servos. I
know JR has a digital thinwing servo,cant remember the number, very much
similar to the Hitec 5125. I have heardit is the same servo, made by
the same people, but with differentelectronics. Is that true? Just wondering
because I know the 5125
Gidday all,
I can confirm that the gears on the 5125 do strip easily, Just a firm
landing and the weight of the Flap was enough to strip both flap final
gears.
Investigation showed that the final gear was aluminium which to my mind is
far too soft for the job it has to do.
It would be nice to
Mostly I use Micro Maxx cuz they are even more durable, only unverified
accounts of a damaged gear set from DS crashes :-)
Wing Maxx is the thin guy and its steel geared high power chrome bodied big
thin brother the Wing Maxx HP.
Gordy
I should order a couple and try them out...
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPS168
They look like nice aileron servos, but I don't think I would use them for
flaps.
At 09:44 PM 2/8/2005, Marta Zavala wrote:
I am looking for a couple of thin wing servos.
I've had them on my Pike Superior flaps for ~1-1/2 years, without a
single problem.
Tom
James V. Bacus wrote:
I should order a couple and try them out...
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPS168
They look like nice aileron servos, but I don't think I
Excellent... I still like 368's for that application, I have the space for
them.
At 10:43 PM 2/8/2005, Tom Watson wrote:
I've had them on my Pike Superior flaps for ~1-1/2 years, without a single
problem.
Tom
James V. Bacus wrote:
I should order a couple and try them out...
you should order a couple and try them
out...http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPS168They
look like nice aileron servos, but I don't think I would use them for
flaps.
Great point Jim!A huge difference between the Hitec version
and JR version is that JR
I just noticed Gordy's street address is 9303! You are destined to own
that TX... 8-) hahahha
P.S. Just sent my donation into the bring JoJo to Nats fund, I sure hope
you can make it dude.
At 10:49 PM 2/8/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JR is great stuff and like Hitec they offer tremendous
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