Dennis et. al.,
The term man-on-man has to do with scoring not setting the groups,
Mike Stump pointed this out and he is correct. Seeding just as random
grouping is just methods for establishing flight groups. If seeding proves
nothing, ask someone who wins in Dayton in a five round
, there gone too!). But true F3J IMHO has all the
hallmarks of other European activities, lots of effort for little results.
Marc Gellart, Lima, OH
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links page. There are directions and other information about the contest.
Rumor has it that maybe Gordy may be seen flying at this contest, what more
incentive do you need to come!
Marc Gellart, Lima, OH
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- Paul Siegel
2nd - Marc Gellart
3rd - Frank Foster
Unlimited - 1st - Paul Borrer
2nd - Paul Siegel
3rd - Mario Scolari
Sunday:
RES - 1st - David Wrinkle
2nd - Paul Siegel
3rd - Jack Beatley
Unlimited - 1st
Rick,
As I remember, my Dad told me that a 707 had an LD of ~15:1, not bad for
an aluminum ferry boat with jet engines hanging on the wings.
Marc Gellart
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Hey folks, this message was sent to me by family. I think that with all the
folks around the world that are on this exchange we could help this young
lady out. All help is appreciated.
Marc Gellart, Lima, Ohio
Hello!
My name is Amanda and I am a homeschooler in the 5th grade. I live
of soaring. I CANNOT
WAIT!
Marc Gellart, Lima, Ohio
PS: OVSS Schedule will be out
soon!
forward kit and in original box, nothing even
out of the bags.
Anybody fly one of these things or know about them
I would appreciate to truly find out aboutwhat I have here, nugget or
stone, and Ray Hayes I already know your opinion...
Marc Gellart, Lima,
OH
ompetitive when I walk out on the field of battle.
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12/13 DARTS Man-on-Man Contest-Yellow
Springs CD's Bob Massmann and Jerry Shape
August26/27 Mid-American Championships-BSS
Lexington CD Buzz (I am not good with sounding things out Buzz)
September 2/3 LOFT/OVSS Fall Round Up-Muncie CD
Marc Gellart
You can look up info for all these contests off
and a shot disables an engine and they are loosing fuel, the
evil Point of No Return is met and they make SF with engines failing on
final. In typical John Wayne style he strolls away on the ramp like it was
no big deal.
Marc Gellart, Lima, OH
Congrats to Arend, Larry, and John. It sounds like another endorsement of
flying Man-on-Man, (seeded or otherwise). Man-on-Man still is "the" way to
bring out the best in fliers and the winners. It is too bad that more
contests cannot use the format.
Marc Gellart, Lima, OH
Watch f
Jim, I heard a whistling sound last night letting the dogs out before bed,
check about Marion, Ohio...Sorry bud, that does hurt!
Marc
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an investment in my future.
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From: James R MacLean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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, they were first string. If you are interested, there was a
story about them in Air Space Magazine. The story said that the team
made contact coming out of a vertical maneuver and just continued on down
together.
Marc Gellart
line and chargers on the batteries all day. Landings
will be 100 point circles. Mike Remus will CD Saturday and Dennis Adamisin
will take care of Sunday. Pilots meeting will be 9:30 AM Indiana
time. This is the second stop of the Ohio Valley Soaring
Series.
Marc Gellart, President LOFT
OVSS
hopefully today or this week for the
OVSS site on www.dma.org/DARTS
.
1. Marc Gellart - 1990
6.Bill Friend - 1873
2.Mike Remus - 1973
7.Jack Strother -
1818
3.Jerry Shape -
1972
8/9/10 Tie - Joe Hahn - 1000
4.Don Harris - 1961
Paul Siegel - 1000
5.Steve Siebenaler - 1941
soaring club
that is located in Muncie, Indiana.
Marc Gellart
LOFT President
OVSS Coordinator
Fall Round Up CD
PS: Do not forget thatPaul Seigel will
be hosting the DARTS Aerotow Fly In the following day, September 4th. Stay
and enjoy the event soaring a whole different way.
the flaps, and if you remeber, at that point the inboard set
of ailerons were the only ones that operated in that configuration. There
was no way that the crew was even going to get close to stopping the roll with
them. A bit of history.
Marc Gellart
Why would you hold a contest for F3J that does not conform to the current
FAI rules, the two man tow is in for now is it not?
Marc Gellart
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Thanks for all the inquireies, the radio is sold.
Marc
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Ya, there are examples of litterally flying by the seat of your pants CG
determinations, that is no longer the case, and really was not then either
if the mechanics had been worked out. The 777 captain knows probably within
a tenth of a percent of a given range what his CG is and what it takes
of this.
Marc
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Marc,
The T-tail is definitely not Gavin's. I presume it to be one of the two
planes
Wasn't that quote, Daaady, caan I come down now? Johnny? :.)
Marc
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Just don't fly in the
Hey guys, Mike Remus is trying to get in touch with you two, he is at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I appreciate you helping him out.
Marc
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There
was a Saturn series produced by a guy in CA, quabeck airfoils and t-tails, but
that does not mean you could not chop off the rudder and go with a
V.
Marc
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Joe,
Brookville Dam in southeast Indidana also is closed but only to vehicle
traffic opn top, we can fly, but you have to tote your stuff up, and for a
guy doing his eight hour or something, that is a load.
Marc
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Sent:
Guys, the weather looks great, the fun looks huge, so get to Cinci this
Sunday for the PK/TF/FRUF and lets have at it. Also, OVSS has just procured
the first ever OVSS Vinyl Logo for your plane, car, or flight box. I will
have them on sale there, only fifty made right now, thanks to George Voss,
Just want to back up Jim's comments, Sunday was a hoot. There was some
tremendous flying by many, but Rich Brunowski was putting on a clinic.
Cinci is really having some great contests, more should attend, and more
should try seeded MoM.
Marc
-Original Message-
From: Jim Bacus
Pat,
My wife and are going out along with Jerry Shape to PHX, we are all going
on Southwest. About any airline's online reservations area about as good as
they get, up until right before the time of departure and they can get even
better, but I was not waiting that late. We are round
That is not to hard Tom, the day of you mail it. I expressed mine the year I
went, and I was in. Nothing too tough there, and remember, I would imagine
that CVRC wants to get that part over pretty quick. I would say they have a
good system in place
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From: Tom Broeski
Daryl,
In the many years that we have been flying seeded MOM in the OH and IN
area, I have never seen a second group or lower pilot win as long as
frequency control was absolute, one man a freq or no conflicts up top. Ya,
in the club contest situation, two guys end up on 49 and they are
Fred,
There is only one class in Seeded MOM, everybody together, no outs or sub
classes flying seperately together and then scores compared. It is no
wonder you ended up in the lurch. It is a bit intimidating to the guy
coming up, but you have to get off the porch to run with the big
Chris,
I think you miss the point of how we do seeding in our MOM contests. First
round is random draw for flight groups, then from the second round on fliers
are stacked by scores and basically like scores fly against like scores.
You do not carry a seeduing for the season or from one
LOFT also uses a golf cart and we have used a three wheeler in the past,
much less hassles thatn a retriever. i realize that there are good ret. set
ups, but for the common guy, anyone can drive a golf cart.
Marc
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Sent:
No, this is not poor Sal. I have not bought a plane off Sal in years. But
also give some credit where credit is due, all these guys have a lot on the
line. Any business has problems and so does Sal, not defending just
reality. And I would think that Sal definately qualifies as a small
After finally reading a couple of these, I agree with most everything guys
are saying. But if you want to find the best foam product out there, Tower
Hobbies (ya, the monster) sells a two part mixed foam that's absolutely the
best out there, and it is a chemical cure, so no doughy spots. Also,
For all concerned, the final OVSS scores for 2001 are up on the website.
Jim Bacus has done a great job and has kept the site in great shape all
year, pictures included. The address for the site is
www.jimbacus.net/soaring/OVSS2001/OVSS2001.html
I will also put this out. Fall Round Up will be
Just as with any quest for a design that answers certain parameters, you
shake out the ones that do not quite make it. From airliners to sailplanes
to fighters, in any class of service, as designs refine they all seem to
converge. Airliners all look alike now, 2 engines etc; sailplanes all have
Despite the temp being in the low 20's, got out and got my first flights on
my NYX. I have a tweak or two before tomorrow and flying at the DARTS
field, but this thing has mega legs and can still be cranked down to nothing
in turns.
A couple of things pertaining to this and many other designs
Here is an issue that Mike is need ing some help with, any help gp direct to
Mike.
Marc
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Subject: Picolario set-up for 7th channel on Stylus radio
Help! Well I
I believe that it was a bit thickened eppler 205.
Marc
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Subject: [RCSE] Riser100 airfoil
Out of curiosity, does anyone know what airfoil the Sig Riser 100
Six volt packs work great if you use a voltage regulator in the system,
available at many supply stores. The IMAC guys use them always and a
regulator is there to keep the spike out of play. One other thing, I have
seen people say that six volt systems use up too much juice, with he advent
of
Well, the Southwest Classic is over, and the way it started, I was out
before it began with an equipment issue, more later. The CASL guys ran a
good show and I got to see many folks that I have not gotten to see for a
good while. Arizona, despite the first day being a bit out of character was
A warning to all that will travel and consider carrying you TX on the plane.
In going to PHX for the SWC, I have always carried my TX in cabin and from
what I had gathered, since 9/11 others had done the same and been all right.
Going out I was fine, the lady listened as I explained what each
How do you go about getting the diges form of the exchange?
TIA, Marc
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Interesting this should come up. As CD for the 2002 NATS HL, I was planning
to allow multiple ships for the contest as I did back in 2000. But this was
not approved as a deviation of The rules of AMA for the NATS. I think in
HL multiple ships are very appropriate, reynolds numbers are low and
Jeff wrote:
By allowing multiple models not only are you causing an increase in cost
to fly the event and be competitive, you are also lessening pilot skill
required. The changing conditions are just what is needed to showcase
ones skills. Anybody can improve there chances with a model for
Here is one for you Stylus freaks. Had set up a three channel ship on the
glider card, all controls work fine, but the elevator trim did not function.
Switched the set up to an un occupied position and wallaw, trims. Got any
clues as to why there were none? TIA!
Marc
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and LSF's.
Marc Gellart
Nats HL CD
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Thanks jack for the good support of the contest at Muncie. To all my
buddies, that first Model Railroader showed up but I would like to see that
pic about how high my trestle is...
Have fun guys, will be in KCMO and no way to fly.
Marc Railroad Man Gellart
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From:
Dennis wrote:
Hell, most of us don't even use real hinges, we just tape our surfaces on!
From what I have seen of the performance of the 3M tape (Decorating and
Repair Tape #23-6085 Clear) I use Dennis, I would take it up against any
hinging method in model sailplanes. Complete seal, absolute
Just to break the manotany, down south of TUS, there was a flight of
Japanese Zeros and Kates that made a long slow pass over my parents place
this AM. Oh the sound of radial is so one of a kind. Making ready for an
airshow at Davis-Monthan AFB this weekend.
Marc Gellart
Temporarily
/newssentinel/6101132/htm and see what we all should be
working for in our community activities.
Marc Gellart
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Walter,
You are right, not many left, but of what I have seen of Ray Hayes'
Legionaire kits and new fuse from a mold is my idea of how to build one now
with carbon tube spars amd no aluminum anywhere.. Just FYI, one Legionaire
sold at Mid South, for $200
Marc
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Speaking of Wil, how was the Alpine Soaring Event
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After having a wierd flying Zenith in a couple of rounds today at a club
contest, i.e. after launch needed full up trim and was just flying wierd but
then would be fine and fly fine, no issues could be seen on the ground until
tonight in the living room when one of the elevon servos locked up with
Just to back up John's comments, I have an
Albatross that I am setting up as a pure sailplane for XC and aerotow, it is a
beautiful ship and everything is a perfect fit. Mine will be ready for
flying next season and may be ready for Toledo Model Show.
Marc
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Don wrote:
"The worst configuration, in my opinion, is the switch
that puts camber on the flap stick, but must be flipped for flap control.
I had one for about a week and was fortunate to find a buyer. This was an
accident waiting for a place in time."
This set up may not be the
Tony, lost your #'s, can you send them back.
Marc
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Hey, major cleaning in the shop in prep for the move west, found a set of
Critter Bits Servo Cans for Airtronics 141's. Still alot in use, if someone
wants them, $5.00 for the ship.
Marc
Hope everyone had a great T-Day!
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Was at a hobby shop tonight and got to see the helicopter that MRC has been
advertising in the mags. This thing runs on both 120 and 12 volt sources,
and runs on counter rotating sets of blades so there is no tail rotor. Lots
of power amd full function. Not cheap at about $300, but this would
For a kind of quiet Saturday, had a great day. Spent some time with the
full size guys in town and everytime I am there I meet someone new who is
cool to talk to. This couple was from Paducah KY and he comes up to STL to
fly his WoodStock homebuilt sailplane, got to see it and then in talking
Dave,
Only way to get the message to you, the second box arrived today. The PakMail
guy called and let me know this AM, so routing # is not any issue now. Tell Chris
thanks much.
Marc
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You know Gordy, creative writing must have been your major in college or
something...
I got a motel room close to the field and when I woke up, the sun was
shinning and the weather warm. I could hear birds outside chirping and I
knew it was going to be a really spectacular contest
to get them involved this year, it will be worth their time.
Marc Gellart
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Weather looks great*, the field is cut like a golf course, food, fun,
flying. We are all looking forward to having the midwest show up at our
doorstep for the Gateway Open this weekend. Come out and have a great
time...
Marc Gellart
Both days in the low 80's, wind 5-10 from north to northeast
of the day, but 27 fliers were living the high life in St. Louis.
Jim Fricke from the Kansas City area won the show with a near perfect card.
Thanks Alden, MVSA, and the fliers that came from Kansas, Oklahoma,
Illinois, Missouri, Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio to OVSS #4 first day.
Marc Gellart
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I cannot write as poetically as Tom, but here it is. XC and F3B weekend was
very different dependent on what you were trying. It was northeast wind
about 10-15 mph and clear on Saturday, the F3B boys and Girls were pretty
happy, they were launching huge and having fun, on the downside of the
Hutch, for some reason I cannot send this to you, so go to
www.chk-modelle.de
Get it a the pic is there and there are english info for it,.
Marc
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Hey guys, I get a message about bad labeling when
trying to look at the scores on Adobe, something is not right
Marc
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Larry, ping me off exchange please...Marc
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Hey, it sounds like a whole bunch of folks are coming to the Fall Round Up
the first weekend in October in Muncie. Hope Jerry and Tom are ready for
all the work, should be a great weekend. Following is a link to a flier and
particiapant sign up sheet on the LOFT webpage.
John, you said,
An open winch contest with even 30 people should not have many
channel conflicts if people would carry extra channels to use. I have two
alternate channels to use so I have not had a problem.
Maybe, but one conflict is all it takes to make it missery for two fliers,
and still you
John,
Have fun, I think we can agree to disagree.
Marc
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In out politically correct world, outcome based performance is creeping into
everything, we do not want to make anyone feel bad (Wished they could have
talked to a few of my teachers, shame, defeat, and reality were slung
everywhere, and I survived).
Daryl, stand by your pistolas!
Marc
that
become organizers and CD's, and we all need them.
Marc
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. It is obvious that JR considers soaring a huge
priority in RC and has taken the forefront in both products and research. I
hope that all RC soaring pilots appreciate their efforts and support JR in
their local hobby shop.
Hope everyone had a great 2004, see ya at Pumpkin Fly and PHX in 05.
Marc Gellart
After doing the last post, I got to looking at the final standings for OVSS
and did a bit of work with the numbers. There has been some folks stating
that soaring is down in the nation, but these figures I think back up the
fact that in the midwest soaring is alive and well. I wish I had an
You must have felt the rumblings Jack, because Sunday this very thing
happened. I had decided to give more awards this year from the get-go, top
five Master and top three Sporsman class fliers are going to get
personnalized plaques. Denny Zech, of the LOFT club, after the FRU finished
Sunday,
At 10:00 pm ET and 9:00 CT, the Speed Channel is going to have on the the
Reno Unlimited Champion. For those who would like to watch.
Marc
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Big Dog: Gordy, came from behind, many had a chance, but many failed to
maintain a lead. Great tough day of soaring, someone else can report
further.
Marc
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Gordy,
I know flyin with the Hotlanta boys is more fun
than most have ever had, but we had a nice day in STL. A few guys showed
up to the farm and flew, got Kieth and his Magic, ya one of the Waco Magics,
trouble shot when the slide on V-tail (a problem waiting to happen and did) had
slid
better, ~65 and 5-10 wind, come
and join us.
Marc
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A friend loaned a DVD to me the other day called, Fine Week of Soaring, done
by Geovision out of MA. WOW! If you enjoy watching the big boys, there
is both great information and people like George Moffat in it and some of
the best air to air stuff I have ever seen. This was featured in Air
Just another warning about Dreamcatcher. Had sent a money order to infamous
Roy Simpson for three Airtronics kits from his personal collection. That
was the 12th of Nov. but as this AM today he had not gotten the envelope
with the MO. He had already contacted me twice in the interim time acting
Gordy, I just use a bolt and nut that can be opened and closed by TSA
worked great on first trip and I have a bolt in the smaller tube so they do not
close it past the no return spot.
Marc
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Excuse me, the bolt is only on the small tube, a pin and keeper are on the
big one, both attached to the tube via tie down.
Marc
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A couple of rare finds from the soaring closet.
1. ELV Vario Altimeter - Made famous by Gordy, reads visually altitude,
gives vario function audibly, and has battery voltage measurement. The
airborne unit is 25g and would fit in most ships, it is about 3/8x1 1/4x1
1/2. Comes with the airborne
ELV Vario sold, Don Richmond was fast on the draw.
Eclipse is still available.
Marc
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Title: Dave Hauch Where Are U
Dave, give me a hit, please.
Marc
As has become a February tradition, I wish to thank CASL, Darwin, Mark, and
all those good guys and gals who ran the contest and activities. Got to
spend the day with my Mom on Friday and then had two great days of flying
after having a hell of a lot of off time from a really crappy winter here
Was looking over the scores posted last evening as an update to the SWC and
am kind of interested how this changed from the original scores that we saw
at the field, which was a cursory viewing for sure, and from what was up
last night here. What has changed?
Just interested...
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e LSF webpage in due time, Tom Kallevang is really working hard for Sears-K Mart right now and when he can it will appear.
Marc Gellart
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