Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
It's a video and it's in Spanish, but I think it's modeling and rendering that
was done in Maya
Le 2013-10-17 19:02, Bradley Gabe witha...@gmail.com a écrit :
The least you guys could do is issue forth a correction. One way would be to
color correct (darken
into rd efforts, we might see a different software landscape today.
I said perhaps.
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:19 -0400
From: digim...@digimata.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
I agreed with with Matt, we are still
efforts, we might see a different software landscape today.
I said perhaps.
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:19 -0400
From: digim...@digimata.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
I agreed with with Matt, we are still using
Of Angus Davidson
Sent: 16 octobre 2013 23:37
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Autodesk´s Sales model
I have nothing against a subscription model. if done well it can work really
well. However subscription only works well if you have the following.
a) Getting value for money
.
From:
Mirko Jankovic [mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 October 2013 12:16 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
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Sent: 17 October 2013 04:42 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
I really don't think you'll EVER get point B in your list from Autodesk. The
best you can do to sort of extrapolate into something similar is keep an eye on
whatever's going on at Autodesk
...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:15 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
and then someone is wondering why people are thinking worse and creating all
sort of conspiracy theories...
it doesnt need to be like detailed
Sharing a broad overview of where they see the individual products
heading isn’t an issue either as long as it’s done on the level.
unfortunately, that's not the case. Because plans can change, so
where a product is heading can change too. And those change will
screw up the booking of
Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lampi
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
Speaking
: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lampi
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 6:19 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think many people expect
The least you guys could do is issue forth a correction. One way would be
to color correct (darken) and composite the Maya logo into the interface.
If that proves too difficult, you could always have the client go back and
redo the work in Maya. ;-)
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Maurice Patel
It's a video and it's in Spanish, but I think it's modeling and rendering
that was done in Maya
Le 2013-10-17 19:02, Bradley Gabe witha...@gmail.com a écrit :
The least you guys could do is issue forth a correction. One way would be
to color correct (darken) and composite the Maya logo into the
@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
So everyone that really saw no need to upgrade only like once in 3-5 years due
to low or non version differences are getting spit in face?
AD is killing option to buy Softimage 2014 now.. and then to upgrade to
Softimage 2017 later on.
So even
:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: 16 October 2013 12:41
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
So everyone that really saw no need to upgrade only like once in 3-5 years
due to low or non version differences
What about support? Not worth the subscription cost either?
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: 16 October 2013 14:11
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
ugh
support? Not worth the subscription cost either?
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*From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic
*Sent:* 16 October 2013 14:11
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
Support was worth it when Stephen Blair was there. :)
To be fair, the support was worth it to get bugs confirmed and have
them provide workarounds if possible or QFEs if available to fix those
issues. At larger studios the AD Consulting is worth it when you can
get it when you're in the
I think there's a separate argument about how much support should
actually cost for Softimage, given the amount of work being done on
the AD side. Provided the support price is in line with the support
being provided, I can see where getting rid of upgrades simplifies
things a lot. So, I'm not
] On Behalf Of Graham Bell
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:22 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Autodesk´s Sales model
Regarding the announcements made at the investor day, I posted this on another
forum as part of an ongoing thread
I think there's a lot of crossed wires here
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:22 AM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* RE: Autodesk´s Sales model
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Regarding the announcements made at the investor day, I posted this on
another forum as part of an ongoing thread….
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I think there's a lot of crossed
I agreed with with Matt, we are still
using 7.01, since we didn't upgrade from 7.01 to 7.5 when Autodesk
bought Softimage from Avid
now, we can't upgrade even if we want to. We would have been
paying a lot over these years.
Leoung
On
: Autodesk´s Sales model
What about paying for the fancy AD consulting to get some QFEs for those
showstoppers? Was that considered or attempted?
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Matt Lind
ml...@carbinestudios.commailto:ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote:
I dispute it's better to stay on subscription
a different software landscape today. I said perhaps.
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:19 -0400
From: digim...@digimata.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
I agreed with with Matt, we are still
using 7.01, since we didn't upgrade from 7.01
13:59:19 -0400
From: digim...@digimata.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
I agreed with with Matt, we are still using 7.01, since we didn't upgrade
from 7.01 to 7.5 when Autodesk bought Softimage from Avid
now, we can't upgrade even if we want to. We
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Mirko Jankovic
mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote:
As I recall salesman is supposed to attract customer to gain their trust and
support.
Now it is other way around???
Customers should give their total support and money in order to be treated
like customers??
This is a chicken/egg thing imo.
I'd agree with you if for a second I thought that subscriptions fell off
before development did but I really doubt that's the case here. Instead I
bet there's a pretty solid correlation between AD purchasing Softimage and
a erosion of the user base due to reduced
softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:35:52 +
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Autodesk´s Sales model
I
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Graham Bell
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 2:13 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
Point taken, but I would kinda dispute, your dispute :-)
Your technical issues aside for a moment, just purely from
This pretty much hits the nail on the head IMO.
A number of factors converging has made it so that people have been slowly
conditioned to think DCC software and its sales and updates right now are
OK to be as cheap as they are on the frontload expenditure (a couple to
three and half grands for
: Autodesk´s Sales model
Actually no-one as I'm aware of ever mentioned problem with price of
subscription but subscription it self.
Tool that is worth thousands but earns you even more than that is good
investment.
An $1 screwdriver that you will never ever use is waste of money and bad
investment
I came across this link:
http://gfxspeak.com/2013/10/02/autodesk-sales-strategy-includes-discontinuing-upgrade-purchases/
So what happened to the rental sales model?
David R.
Did you read the whole thing?
From the article:
*The plan is to shift customers away from single product purchases toward
suites, and to move from buying perpetual licenses to acquiring software on
long-term subscription or short-term rental.*
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:56 PM, David Rivera
It is this article and the current Softimage cross-grade offer that make me
decide to take the jump to the Ultimate Suite. I am glad I did, I can now
test plugins and shaders on the three platforms and do other things as
well. And enough money left for some nice plugins or apps too.
AD may have a
not comprehend
here.
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
Brassard
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:16 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
It is this article and the current Softimage cross
: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:33 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Autodesk´s Sales model
uhm, isn't he idea behind this model to cut any development costs by three
thirds in particular and sell all three as one package for a higher price?
And make it sound a good deal because
:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Sven Constable
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:33 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* RE: Autodesk´s Sales model
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uhm, isn't he idea behind this model to cut
not comprehend
here.
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Brassard
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:16 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
It is this article and the current
Autodesk is for some reason following Adobe's footsteps quite
accurately. Adobe started selling suites... Adesk did. Adobe goes
rental... Adesk follows. I really can't tell how positive or not the
change will be, and what it will mean for the future of the tools...
I
...@listproc.autodesk.comsoftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
*On Behalf Of *Sven Constable
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:33 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* RE: Autodesk´s Sales model
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uhm, isn't he idea behind this model to cut any development costs by three
thirds
[
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.comsoftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
*On Behalf Of *Sven Constable
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:33 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* RE: Autodesk´s Sales model
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uhm, isn't he idea behind this model to cut any
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