Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO updates

2009-10-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
[cc += dfarning, alsroot, syst...@] El Wed, 14-10-2009 a las 17:47 -0700, Josh Williams escribió: I've made some bug fixes to the new ASLO design, I've tested it lightly and it seems to work in all major browsers (even ie6). If you have a few moments, please test it out (download/upload

Re: [Sugar-devel] Status report on Bookreading

2009-10-15 Thread Sean DALY
Thanks for that Sayamindu, very informative I hadn't known about the bookreader list, I signed up. We are leaning towards an e-reader spotlight for the Sugar on a Stick Blueberry launch and this info will help us in that reflection. Sean On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO updates

2009-10-15 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 02:42:15AM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: [cc += dfarning, alsroot, syst...@] El Wed, 14-10-2009 a las 17:47 -0700, Josh Williams escribió: I've made some bug fixes to the new ASLO design, I've tested it lightly and it seems to work in all major browsers (even

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] [IAEP] ASLO updates

2009-10-15 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 07:34:50AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 02:42:15AM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: All links to activity bundles appear to be broken :-( For example:

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread James Cameron
I've just tried an equivalent of this patch on OLPC build 802 on an XO-1, and it feels much more responsive. It affects all mouse-over menus in Sugar. I'm adding it to my list of patches that improve performance perceptions. /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sugar/graphics/ -- James Cameron

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Zero-install-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?

2009-10-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Tue, 13-10-2009 a las 20:47 +0100, Thomas Leonard escribió: How about getting together on IRC to exchange ideas regarding packaging strategies? I'd propose next Saturday @ 1500UTC [2], of course negotiable. Sounds like a good idea. Having a repository for Sugar-related apps makes

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 08:58:12AM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: It makes all menus that currently have a delay appear instantly? No, it doesn't. Try it. I think you'll like it. It is quite easy to run the cursor over the activity ring ... nothing appears until you stop for long enough. But

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] [IAEP] ASLO updates

2009-10-15 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 07:34:50AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 02:42:15AM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: [cc += dfarning, alsroot, syst...@] El Wed, 14-10-2009 a las 17:47 -0700, Josh Williams escribió: I've made some bug fixes to the new ASLO design, I've tested

Re: [Sugar-devel] incremental activity update

2009-10-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: I know I myself hacked the image-builder script into this direction, but in hindsight I feel that it got too hacky and that was the wrong approach. It presented various surprises along the way and at the very end left me with

Re: [Sugar-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?

2009-10-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Zero Install appears to have identified reasonable compromises for many of these trade-offs. While I'm not yet claiming that z-i would be a (Keeping it in the Sugar side... ) I think it's a very good idea to look into

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugarizing an application

2009-10-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 13:33, Daniel Castelo dcastelo.sugarl...@gmail.com wrote: I am testing the client gnome-ppp to connect the Xo with a modem 3G. When I execute the client using consolehelper and pam (or the root user) the application looks without the sugar theme. When I execute the

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 03:49, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: Tomeu wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:57, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: Tomeu wrote: I'm more concerned about developers proposing big user experience changes because they feel it's better. Yay, more

[Sugar-devel] Bolzano 2009 - Schedule draft

2009-10-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, I have posted an initial schedule for the Sugar Camp at Bolzano after feedback from Walter, Sebastian, Tomeu, Aleksey and the Zeitgeist people. Please let me know, if you have things you want to present that are not yet part of the schedule or have any concerns or things I have overseen.

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Wade Brainerd
I take two points from this exchange: #1 User interaction changes are always subjective. Patches, requests, suggestions, etc. should not be submitted with duh as a rationale. They should be backed up with a clear rationale; better yet, hard data. #2 The Sugar UI is not sacred. There needs to

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 14:47, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: I take two points from this exchange: #1 User interaction changes are always subjective.  Patches, requests, suggestions, etc. should not be submitted with duh as a rationale.  They should be backed up with a clear rationale;

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Michael Stone
Tomeu, If you insist on thinking that I have something against you, then I will stop having this discussion with you. I insist only on the reasonableness of taking you literally at your word. Naturally, I'm quite certain that you have nothing against me that you don't also have against

Re: [Sugar-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?

2009-10-15 Thread DancesWithCars
yes, what is you exec overview/ why are you proposing to discard .xo bundling? or is this an option? With the XO 1.5 including a gnome desktop and just for development purposes, and environmental running environments having a broader base (read multi linux distro and even aspartamine) and multi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?

2009-10-15 Thread Wade Brainerd
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:05 AM, DancesWithCars danceswithc...@gmail.com wrote: yes, what is you exec overview/ why are you proposing to discard .xo bundling? or is this an option? I don't think that we're discussing discarding .xo bundling. I think we're discussing augmenting .xo

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bookreader] Status report on Bookreading

2009-10-15 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Thank everyone :-). If a demo version is required - you can download it from http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/GetBooks-1.xo Thanks, Sayamindu On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote: Ditto :) I will be showing off Sayamindu's new work at the Making Books Apparent

Re: [Sugar-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?

2009-10-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Thu, 15-10-2009 a las 10:32 +0200, Martin Langhoff escribió: I think it's a very good idea to look into a userdir-centric packaging system such as z-i. There are of course a few other alternatives, and very well considered critiques of these systems (from OS-centric packagers usually ;-) )

Re: [Sugar-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?

2009-10-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Honestly? I think the most interesting feature of Zero Install is that it has an active development community working to solve the same hard problems that we are facing with our XO bundles. Ok - that's good. I am

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] [IAEP] ASLO updates

2009-10-15 Thread David Farning
I'll try to document how mirror brain is setup and how it affects other systems in the wiki this afternoon. Changes to devel, testing, or product activities.sl.o should not affect one another. They are three separate instances consisting of: 1. Separate code trees. 2. Separate database

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [Systems] [IAEP] ASLO updates

2009-10-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 19:13, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: 2. Sugar .86 starts to hit the street and the updater starts automatically pinging a.sl.o for updates. Yeah, this could have become a big problem. Thanks, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving

[Sugar-devel] Sugar oversight-board meeting announcment

2009-10-15 Thread Walter Bender
We will have the first meeting of the newly elected 2009-2010 Sugar Labs oversight board at 14:30 UTC (10:30 EST) on Friday, Oct. 15, on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting Among the agenda items are: (1) to sing the praises of our outgoing board members; (2) to make sure that important board

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO updates

2009-10-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Thu, 15-10-2009 a las 07:34 +, Aleksey Lim escribió: We just tried to utilize AMO feature when it lets user download public .xos from mirror sources and from files/ for other cases. Recently all .xo were downloaded from files/(even after creating symlink in /upload to files/).. and it

Re: [Sugar-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?

2009-10-15 Thread DancesWithCars
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Honestly? I think the most interesting feature of Zero Install is that it has an active development community working to solve the same

[Sugar-devel] New F11 for the XO-1 Build 8

2009-10-15 Thread Steven M. Parrish
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/XO-1/builds/OS8 This release includes a fix for the black box in Gnome, an updated repository definition, and replaces Firefox with Midori. If you still want to use Firefox you can always install it by doing a yum install

[Sugar-devel] UI thoughts from today's session at the GPA

2009-10-15 Thread Caroline Meeks
The Journal Icon in an activity should open the dialog box for feedback. The Stop Icon should not. Resume by default should happen if the activity is already open. Start new should be the default if there is no instance of that activity already open. It was very confusing and distracting to have

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Avi
Tomeu wrote: I'm more concerned about developers proposing big user experience changes because they feel it's better. Before I look at the patch I would like to know if there's agreement from people close to our users that this behavior change is desired. How can we get that? How about users

[Sugar-devel] Should we care about non readers and kids with motor skill issues? was - Re: RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Caroline Meeks
Perhaps. What would you define as the ailment, yourself? The primary intent was to encourage use of a direct interaction model, in which palettes we're supposed to play a big role. When it turned out that young kids, who didn't read, and who didn't have motor skills for selecting form

[Sugar-devel] Memorize 33 is buggy - what should I do?

2009-10-15 Thread Caroline Meeks
I doubt this is a SoaS only problem but I haven't tested it on an XO Tickets - 1055, 1503 1503 is a total blocker for using Memorize and 1055 is going to give me hell in the field trying to get kids not clear that inviting face. Maybe revert a.sl.o to a previous version? I'm going in to work

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Avi fiendi...@gmail.com wrote: Tomeu wrote: I'm more concerned about developers proposing big user experience changes because they feel it's better. Before I look at the patch I would like to know if there's agreement from people close to our users that this

Re: [Sugar-devel] incremental activity update

2009-10-15 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/15 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: Would be interesting to know more on concrete issues (that lead to the feeling part :-) ). I guess the turning point in my thinking was when I realised that I had to update the .contents file inside the image after making non-activity

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/15 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org: No, it doesn't.  Try it.  I think you'll like it. It is quite easy to run the cursor over the activity ring ... nothing appears until you stop for long enough.  But what does appear appears without a two second delay! OK then, that sounds a lot

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Fri, 16-10-2009 a las 09:44 +0545, Daniel Drake escribió: OK then, that sounds a lot better. I'm surprised that this point wasn't raised earlier. Given that this thread is largely about process, let me throw in one more point then: all patches should be accompanied with a good