symbols for sunrise and sunset

2009-08-26 Thread Frank Evans
Greetings, fellow dialists, An ancient sea captain of my acquaintance suggests, for sunrise, an open circle with a short straight line tangental to the bottom of the circle and for sunset a similar circle with a tangental straight line at the top. Frank 55N 1W P.S. So many sundialling sailors!

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-22 Thread David M Brown
On analemmatic (human) sundials with sunrise and sunset markers (Bailey points) I use a half a sunburst sitting on a horizontal line, but with no distinction between them other than the words 'rise' and 'set' below the line respectively. Illustration needed? If so, what's the best way to send

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-22 Thread Frank King
Dear David, I use a half a sunburst sitting on a horizontal line, but with no distinction between them other than the words 'rise' and 'set' below the line respectively. I rather like that. Half a sun clearly suggests that the sun is on the horizon and the words 'rise' and 'set' resolve

RE: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-22 Thread John Carmichael
-koeln.de Subject: Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset On analemmatic (human) sundials with sunrise and sunset markers (Bailey points) I use a half a sunburst sitting on a horizontal line, but with no distinction between them other than the words 'rise' and 'set' below the line respectively

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-18 Thread Frank King
Dear Fer, You are right, of course! I wrote houses when I meant circles. I still believe that the eastern half of the horizon circle corresponds to Domifying Circle #1. As soon as the sun crosses that circle (at sunrise) it is in House #12 (as you say). It stays in that house until it crosses

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-17 Thread Frank King
Dear Willy, This is an interesting point... For astrologers, the time of sunrise and sunset is not necessary... Is this true? What about astrologers who use domifying circles? These circles divide the sky above the horizon into the Regiomontanus Houses and the sun passes through each of

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-17 Thread Claude Hartman
I sent this note to Frank King and forgot to copy to the list: I know little about historical sundial use. However, it seems quite accepted among cartoonists that a sun with RAYs close to the horizon represents sun RISE. I suppose the opposite, no rays, is sunset.

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-17 Thread fer de vries
...@pandora.be Cc: LISTA INGLESE sund...@rrz.uni-koeln.de Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset Dear Willy, This is an interesting point... For astrologers, the time of sunrise and sunset is not necessary... Is this true? What about astrologers who use

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-16 Thread Gianni Ferrari
Frank, two different symbolsGianni Ferrari -- Mail to : gfme...@gmail.com Lat.44;38,18.5N Long. 10;56,05.3E attachment: sun2.jpg--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-16 Thread Frank King
Dear Willy, Gianni, Carl, Larry, et al, Thank you all for the splendid selection of symbols which I shall pass on. The only ancient one, so far, is the Chinese symbol sent by Carl. This is the kind of thing my designer friend was looking for. I rather like the simple signs myself. The musical

Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-15 Thread Frank King
Dear All, A designer friend has asked about symbols for sunrise and sunset on sundials. Given the obvious importance of these two points of the day I would expect there to be many examples but I cannot recall any on sundials and hardly any elsewhere. I have seen the usual astronomical symbol

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-15 Thread Willy Leenders
Frank,What you think about this? Willy LEENDERSHasselt in Flanders (Belgium)www.wijzerweb.be Op 15-aug-2009, om 21:35 heeft Frank King het volgende geschreven:Dear All,A designer friend has asked about symbolsfor sunrise and sunset on sundials.Given the obvious importance of these twopoints of the

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-15 Thread Frank King
Dear Willy, I like your symbols very much!!! There is just one problem... I think my designer friend wants to put these symbols on the horizon line at the beginning and end of the winter solstice curve... Of course, with a rising sun, the shadow of the nodus starts downwards

RE: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-15 Thread Carl Barbara Sabanski
Sabanski www.mysundial.ca -Original Message- From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de]on Behalf Of Frank King Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:35 PM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset Dear All, A designer friend has asked about

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-15 Thread Willy Leenders
Dear Frank, Not everybody is smiling when the sun rises and frowns at sunset.! Smiling and frowning faces thus are not unambiguous symbols. Willy LEENDERS Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) www.wijzerweb.be Op 15-aug-2009, om 22:36 heeft Frank King het volgende geschreven: Dear Willy, I like

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-15 Thread Willy Leenders
Frank,Mayby this can solve the problem: IWilly LEENDERSHasselt in Flanders (Belgium)www.wijzerweb.be Op 15-aug-2009, om 22:36 heeft Frank King het volgende geschreven:Dear Willy,I like your symbols very much!!!There is just one problem...   I think my designer friend wants to put   these symbols

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-15 Thread Gianni Ferrari
Perhaps a little arrow as in the attached image can be useful:-) Best Gianni Ferrari 2009/8/15 Frank King frank.k...@cl.cam.ac.uk Dear All, A designer friend has asked about symbols for sunrise and sunset on sundials. Given the obvious importance of these two points of the day I

Re: Symbols for Sunrise and Sunset

2009-08-15 Thread Gianni Ferrari
I apologize but I have seen the Willy LEENDERS's Symbols only after sending my message :-( Gianni Ferrari --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial