Wis. Students Creating Biodiesel
Story Filed: Friday, March 02, 2001 1:30 AM EST
MILWAUKEE (AP) -- Three Wisconsin high school students are helping clean up
the environment with a project that might make drivers
Hi Warren
In your opinion then, what is the selling of global warming based on?
Ed
Ed, I don't clearly know. I am not by nature a skeptic, yet am quite
skeptical with regard to some of the 'big scares' in the news today.
There seems to be too much junk science and guesswork conclusions
http://enn.com/news/enn-stories/2001/03/03022001/biodiesel_42246.asp
- 3/2/2001 - ENN.com
Seattle experiments with green fuel
Friday, March 2, 2001
By Margot Higgins
Seattle is launching a pilot program that will test the capacity of
biodiesel fuel to curb air pollution.
Seattle may soon
Warren, you may wish to have a look at the more recent conclusions of the
IPCC, and a closer look at the evidence they have considered.
http://www.ipcc.ch/
The scientific effort that has gone into the study of whether global warming
and climate change is real, and that which has gone into
Does not explain how they will attack the NOx, but I guess somebody will
figure out they will need to add the catalytic converters as well as switch
to biodiesel, if they bother to check the emissions results after the
switch...
Ed
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL
I Warren,
I guess one could deny almost anything and make a case for it, after all
OJ is running around loose. I would think though, that common reasoning
should lead us to the conclusion that all that co2 being released is going
to change something! As to whether it's good or bad, a little
Hi Ed
Does not explain how they will attack the NOx, but I guess somebody will
figure out they will need to add the catalytic converters as well as switch
to biodiesel, if they bother to check the emissions results after the
switch...
Ed
You don't really need catalytic converters to get the
Hi Warren
In your opinion then, what is the selling of global warming based on?
Ed
Ed, I don't clearly know. I am not by nature a skeptic, yet am quite
skeptical with regard to some of the 'big scares' in the news today.
There seems to be too much junk science and guesswork conclusions
Hi David
Thanks for these links.
Hi David
I keep hearing of this. Do you have some good references?
TIA
Keith Addison
From http://jin.jcic.or.jp/trends98/honbun/ntj980623.html.
(as Keith lives in Japan :-)
How considerate! :-)
The worldwide total of methane hydrate is estimated to
Yes, but they seem to indicate in the article that biodiesel will solve
their NOx worries - and it won't - changing timing only gets it back to
baseline or a little below (still unacceptable levels). Your example #5 on
th link you provided (biodiesel as a technology enabler) is probably closest
Hello,
Just a quick question. While I was buying supplies today for making my
first batch of Biodiesel I mentioned to the gentleman helping me what I was
buying the supplies for. His comment was that if you heat fossil diesel your
fuel mileage will increase. Is this true? If so would
Warren -
No, the solid proof is not there for you. A convincing case can be made, but
the smoking gun you are looking for does not exist - yet (maybe it never
will).
If it existed there would be no debate.
snip
For example, if a competent scientist in the
IPCC community dared offer for peer
Hi Ed
Yes, but they seem to indicate in the article that biodiesel will solve
their NOx worries - and it won't - changing timing only gets it back to
baseline or a little below (still unacceptable levels). Your example #5 on
th link you provided (biodiesel as a technology enabler) is probably
Well, Keith it is late and I have been writing/editing all day and not much
to add to before, but here goes, based on the studies you have provided...
Study #1. Timing adjustment brings to below petrodiesel - how much below -
significant? Enough to say it will result in a significant reduction
Can we just not accept that biodiesel is not a perfect road transport fuel,
burnt in an internal combustion engine?
However, there are a number of compelling reasons for using it -
1. It is sustainable (definition - for ever and ever)
2. It reduces CO2 emissions by 85%/90%/95%, whichever life
Uh, excuse me...
For those who really wish to reduce NOX emissions, walk. It's a novel
activity, eh?
However, for occasions where 1 HP (read human power) is insufficient, a
rational person would be pleased to settle for a biodiesel power plant.
Sadly, all infernal (not a misprint) combustion
Ed Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, Keith it is late and I have been writing/editing all day and not much
to add to before, but here goes, based on the studies you have provided...
Hi Ed
We're all busy, but it seems to me you've missed the point, and
didn't bother to read these rather
Am I right in thinking there are currently no mandated NOx emmission
requirements? or is NOx part of the emmission test?
Malcolm
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From: Ed Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Seattle
Hi Ed and All,
The CO2 levels have went from about 240ppm to
about 360 ppm in 100 years. This is a tiny amount. The
effect of this is 1/100 what water vapor is, the true
green house gas.
Jets putting all that water vapor, nox and soot
high in the atmostphere has a lot more
I wouldn't suggest the reason to use biodiesel is to reduce NOx. I would
emphatically say biodiesel reduces all other pollutants, and with some work,
can be less polluting in the NOx area.
Steve Spence
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Hi List,
As a relative newcomer to the list, I find it slightly daunting to take-in
all the differing views regarding our subject. As another member rightly
pointed out a week or so ago (appologies for not recalling your name), an
FAQ is badly needed - possibly summarising the current state
Hi List,
As a relative newcomer to the list, I find it slightly daunting to take-in
all the differing views regarding our subject. As another member rightly
pointed out a week or so ago (appologies for not recalling your name), an
FAQ is badly needed - possibly summarising the current state of
Keith:
Busy, yes..I mentioned it to indicate my state of mind by late last night,
and inability to provide paragraphs of critique - to explain a terse
response on my part. Also explains my error on the last one, you are right
it does say a reduction in PM and reduction in NOx both. Sorry about
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