[biofuels-biz] a greasy weekend (adventures in a veggie oil jetta)

2002-07-14 Thread steve spence
Greg Yohn called me up Saturday morning. Hey, I got a another diesel, he says. It's a 98 Jetta TDI, with a greasel SVO kit. So when he arrived, off we went to my favorite Chinese restaurant. It took about 5 minutes to get the manager of China Garden in Hamilton NJ to understand the concept, but

Re: [biofuel] Re: Open Season on Open Space

2002-07-14 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: harmonseaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 21:38 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Open Season on Open Space Funny how off roaders always use the handicapped excuse for furthering their goals. Exactly. How many

[biofuel] Re: Open Season on Open Space

2002-07-14 Thread girl_mark_fire
That's me now... Curtis ... the avid offroader/4X4 enthusiast talking. Me now, condemning such behavior. But I ALSO will say, that for every 10% of the Big Buck /High profile / CNN News idiots that proudly run no-muffler, throw beer cans and run over rabbit homes.. there

[biofuel] More an acrylamide...

2002-07-14 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/16823/story.htm Planet Ark : Organic bread targeted to show absurd health scares USA: July 12, 2002 LOS ANGELES - A U.S. health education group this week took legal action against the world's largest retailer of natural and organic foods in a

[biofuel] WAAAAAAY off topic

2002-07-14 Thread Lance Duchesneau
Y'all are WAY off topic- I'm stopping the mail for a bit until this chills. Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save on REALTOR Fees http://us.click.yahoo.com/Xw80LD/h1ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM

Re: [biofuel] Re: Open Season on Open Space

2002-07-14 Thread Christopher Witmer
Giving you the full benefit of doubt and taking everything you wrote in that last post at face value (I have no reason to believe you're lying or even exaggerating, although I would bet the law is pretty ambiguous concerning the use of deadly force except when someone tries to force entry

Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists

2002-07-14 Thread Neil and Adele Craven
What a crock of s*t you psuedo environmentalists bushwalkers need to slap yourselves around the collective heads. The Bush as we Aussies like to call it is there for all to enjoy regardless of the particular method of getting there. Small children, the elderly and the infirm also have a

[biofuel] a greasy weekend (adventures in a veggie oil jetta)

2002-07-14 Thread steve spence
Greg Yohn called me up Saturday morning. Hey, I got a another diesel, he says. It's a 98 Jetta TDI, with a greasel SVO kit. So when he arrived, off we went to my favorite Chinese restaurant. It took about 5 minutes to get the manager of China Garden in Hamilton NJ to understand the concept, but

Re: [biofuel] upcoming biodiesel classes (When Eastern US?)

2002-07-14 Thread steve spence
Location is Hamilton NJ, and transesterification as well as svo preparation can be demonstrated. An SVO car is usually available for rides, as well as installation examination. You can even help pickup waste oil at local restaurants. rain water capture and solar heating projects are also

Re: [biofuel] Re: Is Sewage Fertilizer Too Toxic? Fossil Fuels?

2002-07-14 Thread steve spence
biodigestion would be preferred , I would think. I would not want to use the leftover solids for fertilizer, unless the incoming stream could be certified. At least a gasified fuel would result, as well as reduction of solids. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter:

Re: [biofuel] SVO versus BD

2002-07-14 Thread steve spence
biodiesel in the main tank, wvo in the secondary tank. life is beautiful. stay tuned for an article on Greg Yohn's new '98 VW Jetta SVO/WVO conversion. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages -

Re: [biofuel] home heating oil

2002-07-14 Thread steve spence
In supertight houses, air to air heat exchangers are common. Heat exchangers ventilate your house and use warmth in the stale air they pump out to warm up the outside air as it comes in. So you can get fresh air for stale, and still keep about 70% of the heat you paid for.

Re: [biofuel] Invitation for eastern Information. (Was upcoming biodiesel classes eastern)

2002-07-14 Thread Martin Klingensmith
How are those engines, as far as cost goes? I have heard rumors that the old VW diesels are getting hard to find, and parts are expensive. What is your experience? -Martin Klingensmith steve spence wrote: We have a 75 horse vw rabbit diesel engine (SVO/WVO conversion) that will be mated to an

[biofuel] Re: Is Sewage Fertilizer Too Toxic? Fossil Fuels?

2002-07-14 Thread harmonseaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: biodigestion would be preferred , I would think. I would not want to use the leftover solids for fertilizer, unless the incoming stream could be certified. At least a gasified fuel would result, as well as reduction of solids.

Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists

2002-07-14 Thread Appal Energy
??? (Scratches his head in consternation.) ? Boy...Do all Aussies have so many disconnects in their thought processes? I doubt it Let's s Line up two size 10's lineally along a 4 mile track..180# body weight + a 55# pack = approximately 6 psi per person.

Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists

2002-07-14 Thread Kris Book
Harmon, I think you deserve three points for that last shot. AMEN -- Yes, it is biofuels, and you're right, we've once again gone far afield. I guess what is really mind-boggling is that there are people who want to use biofuels, not because they want to tread more lightly upon the

Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists

2002-07-14 Thread Appal Energy
Let's see... Nuff said on [your] part..?.Then the post declaration that those in contrast to your opinion need some seriouse help Don't you think you should go back and address some of the numerous disconnects that you and some of the other off road enthusiasts have

[biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists

2002-07-14 Thread coachgeo3
lets see.. who needs serious help? who is ranting and raving like a lunitic on here not I Who is supporting damaging the property and person of another just cause they disagree with your mind set... Not I Arguing with those who are unbalanced is a waisted effort. So Im not going too.

[biofuel] Re: SVO versus BD

2002-07-14 Thread coachgeo3
I look forward to this --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: biodiesel in the main tank, wvo in the secondary tank. life is beautiful. stay tuned for an article on Greg Yohn's new '98 VW Jetta SVO/WVO conversion. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable

Re: [biofuel] More an acrylamide...

2002-07-14 Thread Appal Energy
Don't know why anyone would have a problem with such suits coming up. Kind of a shame that Fresh Fields/Whole Foods is being tagged. But, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If the suits against McD's, BK or FFWF bring the matter to the surface on a daily basis, all the better.

[biofuel] Re: a greasy weekend (adventures in a veggie oil jetta)

2002-07-14 Thread coachgeo3
Sounds great Steve. Nothing like a little FRIENDSHIP and INFORMATION to create a new supporter. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Yohn called me up Saturday morning. Hey, I got a another diesel, he says. It's a 98 Jetta TDI, with a greasel SVO kit. So

[biofuel] Invitation for eastern Information. (Was upcoming biodiesel classes eastern)

2002-07-14 Thread coachgeo3
Let me say thank you for the offer, just in case no one else does. What besides biodiesel and your web site do you have on site and what is your location? SNIP I would be interested to see your operation in the future. Erik Eisenman --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] Re: Open Season on Open Space

2002-07-14 Thread Ken
Nobody Owns anything, does that mean that every deer ant etc. are tresspassers too??? NO! Owning land is the biggest self-centered ego farce in the human trick book. Let the land go, migrate with the seasons, make it all public again, hey how about EARTH National Park, ya I like that one.

[biofuel] Re: More an acrylamide...

2002-07-14 Thread coachgeo3
I agree Tom in some respects. It's part of the checks and balances system. It only becomes frivoulus when it is proven that the stuff is not carcenegic. Dont forget though there are carcenegins in pure mother nature too. Some at levels the body can tolerate some are not. With this in mind

[biofuel] hardcore environmentalists

2002-07-14 Thread fremontjon
Business - AP Study: Clover Helps Bird Population Fri Jul 12, 9:39 AM ET By ELLIOTT MINOR, Associated Press Writer TIFTON, Ga. (AP) - Sharad Phatak has been singing the praises of crimson clover for revitalizing lifeless farmland for years. Little did he know that the red-flowering

Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists

2002-07-14 Thread Kris Book
--- coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arguing with those who are unbalanced is a waisted effort. So Im not going too. I suggest you few still arguing your points stop here ___ Do you have the degree to go with your diagnosis. If not

Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists

2002-07-14 Thread Appal Energy
My Dear Coach, Just want to get this straight once again Anyone who doesn't buy into your opinion is a lunatic or raving like one. Anyone who doesn't buy into your opinion is unbalanced. Nowwho exactly is the extremist here? The one relying heavily upon distortional adjectives in order

Re: [biofuel] Invitation for eastern Information. (Was upcoming biodiesel classes eastern)

2002-07-14 Thread steve spence
We have a 75 horse vw rabbit diesel engine (SVO/WVO conversion) that will be mated to an appropriate gen head (20kw). I have a 5kw for testing purposes. heat will be used for domestic hot water. The plan is to build a prototype that can be duplicated in third world situations. injector pump is

Re: [biofuel] Re: More an acrylamide...

2002-07-14 Thread Appal Energy
The part I've always liked is when humans refer to carcinogenic in animal testing, but can't quite bridge the gap between animals and humans. Of course we're not animals! We're humans! (Doh) Not too many occasions where nature accrues caldrons of hot veg oil in close proximity to where fish

[biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists

2002-07-14 Thread coachgeo3
Do you have the degree to go with your diagnosis. If not please refrain from name calling, that is about as childish a statement as I have heard. Todd has proven himself to be one of the most helpful and knowledgeable folks around here. SNIP Kris Book Wel, You brought it up, not I.

Re: [biofuel] Invitation for eastern Information. (Was upcoming biodiesel classes eastern)

2002-07-14 Thread steve spence
$300 with a 90 day warranty junk yards are full of them. bodies don't last as long as the engines do. infinitely rebuildable. parts are available. injection pump the most expensive item I think. http://www.vwdieselparts.com/ Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter:

[biofuel] UK spearheads world search for 'dream energy' of nuclear fusion

2002-07-14 Thread Keith Addison
I think that Û20m should be Û20b. Big bucks. 1 US Dollar = 1.00878 Euro 1 Euro (EUR) = 0.99130 US Dollar (USD) Who's Dr David King anyway, Dennis Lee in disguise? Keith http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/environment/story.jsp?story=312793 Independent News 11 July 2002 14:27 BDST HomeNews

Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists

2002-07-14 Thread Neil and Adele Craven
ahh Sir ignorance is bliss. In the Artic they build vehicles for their SAR teams. They have very large tyres, which they air down to 2psi, studies have proven that these vehicles place less presure per square inch on the delicate tundra than a bushwalkers foot generally so that they can save

Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists

2002-07-14 Thread Christopher Witmer
Hey guys, the simple fact of being a pig-headed idiot is its own punishment. It's hot, at least where I live. Why don't we drop this so we can all take off our flameproof suits for a breath of fresh air? Otherwise I'm afraid Keith might just change the name of this list to Biofool. --

Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists

2002-07-14 Thread Kris Book
I can accept that but, you should be fore warned that in my opinion, you Christopher seem to be the instigator in a few of these long off topic tiffs. And I being a person who lives in a clean house, will from now on be pointing out(just sweeping up) the fact that you like to stir up shit and

Re: [biofuel] Re: More an acrylamide...

2002-07-14 Thread Keith Addison
Todd wrote: Don't know why anyone would have a problem with such suits coming up. Kind of a shame that Fresh Fields/Whole Foods is being tagged. Maybe you didn't see what I said after the news piece about the American Council on Science and Health? It at the bottom of this. But,

Re: [biofuel] Re: More an acrylamide...

2002-07-14 Thread Ken
-but its simple really,, kooked food is poison -we all understand that right, I mean why womankind is soo... disconnected from Nature? -fire was never really meant to be applied to our sustenance nunativs?!? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [biofuel] Re: More an acrylamide...

2002-07-14 Thread Appal Energy
H.., Multiple carcinogenic opportunities? Breakdown of polyacrilamides originating from pesticides and herbicides under high heat conditions, as well as possible glycerin decay into acrolein and acrilamides from tryglycerides exposed to high heat? Says volumes for sticking with organic

Re: [biofuel] Re: More an acrylamide...

2002-07-14 Thread Appal Energy
Sorry Keith, I admit that I did miss this http://www.prwatch.org/improp/acsh.html Looking at their funding sources, it looks like the best money that science can buy. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,

Re: [biofuel] Open Season on Open Space CBM

2002-07-14 Thread MH
http://www.motherjones.com/magazine/JA02/openspaces.html Open Season on Open Space The Bush administration has made energy development on public lands its priority number one. The wild West will never be the same. by Bob Burtman July/August 2002 CBM was mentioned in the above article and