Re: [biofuels-biz] Help!

2002-09-01 Thread Rajendra Sharma
Kavitha obviously your professor is not fully informed. Virgin oil and for that matter the waste oil has long carbon chains- 18 or so but on esterification these chains are broken down to 11 - 13, very similar to that in diesel. Due to about 11% oxygenates avialble in biodiesel( which is

Re: [biofuels-biz] Help!

2002-09-01 Thread Steven Helen Hobbs
Dear Rajendra I found it interesting that you mention on esterification that the chain length is broken from C18 or more down to a chain length of C11 - C13. Can such a difference be due to the variety of oil that is selected? The reason I ask is that I have been making BD from cold pressed

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: hi ffa feed stocks

2002-09-01 Thread Michael Allen
Hi Keith, In answer to your question: Lets start with a litre of oil. Ours has a density of 910.9 grams/litre so a Free Fatty Acid content of 5% on a weight basis means that 5% of that 910.9 grams is FFA So one litre of oil with a FFA content of 5% (weight basis) contains 45.55 gms of FFA

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread womplex_oo1
I just found out that dessicants like silica gel only work in humid air (because of their high surface area, low vapor pressure pores). Osmosis would work to selectively separate water from ethanol. The process uses a polyvinyl alcohol (PVA) membrane developed in Japan. The process

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread Keith Addison
womplex_oo1 wrote: I just found out that dessicants like silica gel only work in humid air (because of their high surface area, low vapor pressure pores). This is all in the archives, several times perhaps. You have several steps to go still before you find a good way of removing the 5% of

[biofuel] Parts cleaner (good on Aluminium)

2002-09-01 Thread Doug Foskey
Hi, I have a motorcycle apart at the moment, have found the biodiesel is great for cleaning parts! It gets that black grunge (carbon etc) out of the alloy. I found it best to soak overnight, or longer. regards Doug (Would welcome any improvements suggested)

[biofuel] The Original Design Was: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes ....

2002-09-01 Thread Curtis Sakima
I agree in that sometimes we don't look at God's / nature's (whatever your religious persuasion) engineering design ... and notice how jigsaw puzzly perfect it fits together. And try to imitate it ... rather than arrogantly try to bend the whole dang thing to our (us human's) will. Take a

[biofuel] ONTARIO BIODIESELERS

2002-09-01 Thread Timothy Powell
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Re: [biofuel] Parts cleaner (good on Aluminium)

2002-09-01 Thread Keith Addison
Hi, I have a motorcycle apart at the moment, have found the biodiesel is great for cleaning parts! It gets that black grunge (carbon etc) out of the alloy. I found it best to soak overnight, or longer. regards Doug (Would welcome any improvements suggested) Hi Doug I don't think you

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread womplex_oo1
What questions? Perhaps I was away from my computer. Anyways there is alot of information on that website about using cellulose as a feedstock, but the webpage has failed to justify it -- they completely failed to answer the question WHY??? Here is why: Most plants are composed of less

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread womplex_oo1
To add to that, we have guys from the University of Pennsylvania publishing scientific articles telling the public that using corn to make ethanol is a ZERO net producer of energy. Most people just give up when they hear that. But if you armed the public with the knowledge that they are

[biofuel] Another biodiesel from ethanol story....

2002-09-01 Thread Ken Provost
There seems to have been a flurry of postings lately (maybe just a couple misguided individuals, I don't know :-)) about biodiesel from ethanol (rather than methanol). This used to be one of my favorite subjects until I gave up in disgust. Still, out of nostalgia, I tried again this weekend. You

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread womplex_oo1
Here is something else that really ticks me off: coal liquefaction, making gasoline out of coal using the most environmentally destructive means, is getting far more attention than this. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], womplex_oo1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To add to that, we have guys from the

[biofuel] peanut oil

2002-09-01 Thread William Clark
To all: There is much peanut farming here. Any problems with peanut oil biodiesel? Thanks, Bill C. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Looking for a more powerful website? Try GeoCities for $8.95 per

Re: [biofuel] peanut oil

2002-09-01 Thread Ken Provost
Bill C. writes: There is much peanut farming here. Any problems with peanut oil biodiesel? None at all! I envy you -- peanut is one of the crops I'm gonna try my hand at when I retire and become an oilseed farmer. (The others are sunflower, mustard, sesame, flax, and pumpkin -- now to just

Re: [biofuel] peanut oil

2002-09-01 Thread al
HI EVERYBODY ; I BELEIVE THIS TO BE ON TOPIC. shortly i shall be moving to spain to live, olives seem a prolific grower out there, are there any problems in using for biodiesel further i would like to ask is it possible to use a 4 stroke gass generator on biofulel? i have searched with out any

RE: [biofuel] Thanks Kieth

2002-09-01 Thread Hakan Falk
I am taken off the list by the answers from Rod.Stalenberg (BP) to me personally. I think that this is an important issue and would like to have some qualified responses from list members that knows more about the issues of dispersion of vegetable oil etc. Therefore the email is not edited

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread Keith Addison
womplex_oo1 wrote: What questions? This one, for a start: You: It's an interesting read. Particularly important because starchy granules comprise a very small percentage of plant material, and so by throwing away plant fiber, we're wasting 99 percent of the potential chemical energy

Re: [biofuel] Another biodiesel from ethanol story....

2002-09-01 Thread Curtis Sakima
I wonder if there was a homebrew way of making METHANOL (and NaOH for that matter). I mean, to completely take the process OFF-GRID. Would be nice for Joe Blow to make BD completely (only) only from what God / Nature supplied. Curtis --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, of course,

Re: [biofuel] Another biodiesel from ethanol story....

2002-09-01 Thread Appal Energy
Destructive wood distillation for the methanol. Recovery of KOH (potassium hydroxide) from the ash and char. (The traditional method is to put hardwood ash into a barrel of rainwater, where the caustic dissolves, then separate the solid ash and let the water evaporate.) One could also use the

[biofuel] Re: Polyvinyl Alcohol (PVA) Membranes to dehydrate water-alcohol mixtures

2002-09-01 Thread womplex_oo1
Ok fine. You win. They don't teach this stuff in Canadian schools, and I'm trying to find my way around using 50% intuition. The Journey to Forever website is really poorly organized - there is no top-down comprehensive table of contents, and I can't download the documents, say in pdf