Re: [biofuels-biz] Kerosene biodiesel mix

2002-10-16 Thread Tom Branigan
Hello, I have been informed by a colleague that a very crude wash method could be to wash the biodiesel with 12.5% kerosene. This is supposed decrease the density of the biodiesel enough to allow the settling out of unreacted oil/diglycerides/monoglycerides/glycerol. I was wondering if

[biofuels-biz] EREN Network News -- 10/16/02

2002-10-16 Thread EREN
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- October 16, 2002 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring:

Re: [biofuels-biz] Canakci/Van Gerpen

2002-10-16 Thread Steven Helen Hobbs
Paddy What do you think the interest would be if you were able to remove (most/all) water from WVO at low temperatures (no need to waste a lot of energy boiling). Would it be necessary to use the acid process or do you think that an alkaline proc ess would suffice. Also, if it was possible to do

[biofuels-biz] Re: Move to reduce the area farmed in Australia.

2002-10-16 Thread gjkimlin
Hi Kieth, I did read the micro niche bit- good lateral thinking. Most, probably more than 90% of our grain is grown without irrigation. The massive volcanic ash plains simply don't have major river systems the rainfall is too low and that's in the good years. Organic methods work well on this

Re: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding - UK

2002-10-16 Thread martin.brook
Can you back this thory up - Original Message - From: Andrew Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding - UK I'm pretty new to biofuels and have been trying to get up to speed by doing

Re: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding - UK

2002-10-16 Thread Martin Evans
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[biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the Heritage Foundation, what can you expect? It's part of the far-right anti-environmental movement. Associated with the Competitive Enterprise Institute, along with Michael Fumento, and the Reason Foundation, which

[biofuel] EREN Network News -- 10/16/02

2002-10-16 Thread EREN
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- October 16, 2002 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring:

Re: [biofuel] An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Keith, You are right, they are all a part of the snake in the Paradise, not that I belive in this evolution story, but as a prejudice in the old law (bible) of human behavior the story is quite good. It has to be countered, but how to make it efficient? Internet might give us the chance to

[biofuel] Biofuel in California

2002-10-16 Thread Walker
COFFEE COMPANY DELIVERS USING 100 PERCENT BIODIESEL Motorists will soon notice an aroma of french fries on northern California's highways. It won't be coming from a roadside fast food chain but from Thanksgiving Coffee Company's delivery trucks. The fleet will be running on biodiesel, an

RE: [biofuel] Degumming

2002-10-16 Thread Juan Boveda
Hello Darren For further information see: U.S. Patent and Trademark Office http://www.uspto.gov/patft/ Patent Number Search or go to search, using words like vegetal + oil + degumming or oil + degumming + phosphatides and see what you could get. I do not know how long a patent holds but

[biofuel] argh.

2002-10-16 Thread dan
Well, I am eviscerated. Finally, the National Biodiesel Board wrote me back and included the following article. Its long, but no attachments allowed. Essentiall, it undermines my thesis. It is disheartening. This is written by John Campbell at Ag Processing before this group was formed. I

Re: [biofuel] An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Hakan Keith, You are right, they are all a part of the snake in the Paradise, not that I belive in this evolution story, but as a prejudice in the old law (bible) of human behavior the story is quite good. Snakes have had a bad press (fine critters, snakes), but it's apt - snakes in the

Re: [biofuel] An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Hello Keith, Despite all that can be said and should be said about the benefits of ethanol, I only like to point out one thing. How can any serious responsible person debate the ethanol addition and at the same time excuse and be prepared to pass a bill who make the oil companies not

[biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, You are right, they are all a part of the snake in the Paradise, not that I belive in this evolution story, but as a prejudice in the old law (bible) of human behavior the story is quite good. It has to be countered,

Re: [biofuel] argh.

2002-10-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Dan, I do not understand why you say that it does not support your thesis? To me it does very much. The only problem is that US is already too late in decisive actions on the issue and the article discuss that and what can be done on short term. Possibilities of short term achievements, only

Re: [biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Motie, I have the same feeling of frustration. Hakan At 05:19 PM 10/16/2002 +, you wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, You are right, they are all a part of the snake in the Paradise, not that I belive in this evolution story, but as a

[biofuel] Re: please don't fuel my confusion

2002-10-16 Thread Hot Dog
I am in the uk what is #1 diesel ? #2 diesel ? and #3 diesel ? we have normal diesel, red diesel and city diesel (low sulfur I think) also paraffin and kerosene and heating oil when you mention SVO and kerosene mixes - does this work ? which fuels can be used in a diesel engine ? thanks

Re: [biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread rmcphe8888
In a message dated 10/16/2002 10:20:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hakan: Do you admire Greenpeace for staging the killing of the baby seals? Do you admire Greenpeace for giving fundraisers up to 40% of the funds they collect tax free and promoting a lifestyle

Re: [biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread Lisa
snip I absolutely agree it must be countered, but I am nearly burnt-out from countering this same stuff over and over. These are the guys who are as accepted as the Gospel. The rest of us are perceived as Blasphemous, and dismissed without ever listening to us. I am getting a reputation as a

[biofuel] biodiesel taxes?

2002-10-16 Thread Olivia Trusdale
Hi. Found an interesting article in yesterday's Grist Magazine. Apparently the British Department of Customs and Excise has decided to tax home-biofuel brewers. If you use a substance as a fuel to propel a vehicle on the road, you have to pay duty at the rate of the substance being substituted,

Re: [biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread Keith Addison
Motie, I have the same feeling of frustration. Hakan Hey, cheer up folks, we're winning! Motie, nobody's going to put you in a rubber room just yet - maybe you're tearing your hair out, but what you say is very sensible and to the point, not irrational at all, nor incoherent. No need to

RE: [biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread kirk
But who was he? I googled over 100URLs for these and no bibliography info. de Juvenal was just under one of his and I couldn't leave it out. Kirk The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and

Re: [biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear Richard, I am quite tired on this kind of trimming of what I write and deliberate misinterpretations of what I am saying. You do not have to prove that often, that I was right in my opinion about trimming and censorship. If you read my whole message, it should be clear that it was their

Re: [biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear Richard, I am quite tired on this kind of trimming of what I write and deliberate misinterpretations of what I am saying. You do not have to prove that often, that I was right in my opinion about trimming and censorship. If you read my whole message, it should be clear that it was their

Re: [biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread rmcphe8888
In a message dated 10/16/2002 5:13:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have physically seen the ship in NZ soon after the event and the police records, who clearly identifies the terrorists as government agents. That was the French, please do not try and confuse

Re: [biofuel] argh.

2002-10-16 Thread Keith Addison
Another one - posted by Steve Spence in May: Biodiesel Tax Measure Could Have A Long Life, as Ethanol Grants Show By SHAILAGH MURRAY Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL WASHINGTON -- What if you could turn a plentiful plant into a fuel that powers trucks, buses and tractors, doesn't

Re: [biofuel] argh.

2002-10-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Dan I think you should consider reinviscerating yourself. I don't think much of this report, it takes a very narrow view. Campbell's a lobbyist, he sees things from the point of view of the soy interests, and that means he wears a particular set of blinkers. Look how he considers the

Re: [biofuel] biodiesel taxes?

2002-10-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hi. Found an interesting article in yesterday's Grist Magazine. Apparently the British Department of Customs and Excise has decided to tax home-biofuel brewers. If you use a substance as a fuel to propel a vehicle on the road, you have to pay duty at the rate of the substance being substituted,

Greenpeace - was Re: [biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread Keith Addison
In a message dated 10/16/2002 10:20:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hakan: Do you admire Greenpeace for staging the killing of the baby seals? Do you admire Greenpeace for giving fundraisers up to 40% of the funds they collect tax free and promoting a lifestyle where

[biofuel] Re: please don't fuel my confusion

2002-10-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hot Dog writes: I am in the uk what is #1 diesel ? Same as paraffin (UK, kerosene US), used as a mix with #2 diesel to improve cold-weather performance. Many people also use it as a mix with biodiesel for the same reason. Not recommended as a diesel fuel by itself. #2 diesel ? and #3 diesel

Re: [biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Yes that was French agents and they were convicted i NZ court. Later expelled to France against the promise that they would serve the sentence there. I did not try to confuse any, I just thought that their nationality was irrelevant in a discussion about principles. This kind of things goes

[biofuel] Re: An example of what we're up against.

2002-10-16 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a quote I use regularly in my sig line: A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a

[biofuel] US Fed biofuel taxes? Not!

2002-10-16 Thread harmonseaver
The fact is that there are zero federal taxes on biodiesel or ethanol (or hydrogen) in the US. If indeed there are *state* taxes on biodiesel, as some have said, I think they should tell us exactly what they are, and for which states. If they exiest, how many cents per gallon please? I

[biofuel] Re: please don't fuel my confusion

2002-10-16 Thread harmonseaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hot Dog writes: I am in the uk what is #1 diesel ? Same as paraffin (UK, kerosene US), used as a mix with #2 diesel to improve cold-weather performance. Many people also use it as a mix with biodiesel for the same