Re: [biofuels-biz] Australian ethanol and sustainability!

2002-12-29 Thread David Teal
At last a note of sane reality injected into this thread from Harry. Thanks, this is one I don't have to immediately delete. I believe there have been parallel arguments in Brazil concerning the ecological consequences of large-scale sugar production. Keith will doubtless reinforce the

Re: [biofuel] Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread robert luis rabello
kirk wrote: In 1998 it was reported that 80,975 adult and juvenile Atlantic salmon escaped from farms into British Columbia's waters. ** And then government agents see themselves as managers. Couldn't manage their way out of a wet paper sack. We

RE: [biofuel] Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread kirk
Which native stock? You have something that tastes better than a King? I doubt it. Sure, some species of Salmon are dog food. But not Kings. Faster growing maybe, and that answers motive. The guilty parties to this should be held accountable. Kirk -Original Message- From: robert luis

Re: [biofuel] Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread Hakan Falk
Keith, I am not picking a fight on this issue, because I am not that familiar with it. I can only relate to a few small family business fish farms. But I still have a few comments, which I inserted in the text. At 03:26 PM 12/29/2002 +0900, you wrote: Keith, I have only experiences from

[biofuel] 555 Timer Tutorials

2002-12-29 Thread kirk
If you ever had a question about how the 555 timer works this website should fix you up. It is animated. http://www.williamson-labs.com/555-circuits.htm check out home page too http://www.williamson-labs.com/home.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at

[biofuel] Re: Impure Water

2002-12-29 Thread hcr_ii [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks very much for the replies about the water problem. Hakan, I don't know if the water has been tested or not, but the official story is that it is iron. The well belongs to a relative of mine overseas and I haven't even seen it. Apparantly when it is bad it is the colour of strong tea.

[biofuel] Re: Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread csakima
Me thinks part of the problem lies in the fact that, when god's/nature's engineers were designing our world, profit was not one of their design considerations. Well, not one with any large priority anyways. Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL -

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread Steve Spence
socialist is not opposite of free. It means that many services that people ought to do for them selves are provided by the government, at a cost of course. socialist does not equal communist. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable

[biofuel] A Potentially Perfect Energy Source!

2002-12-29 Thread kirk
Thought you might find this interesting. Kirk http://mb-soft.com/public2/earthrot.html Now, consider that the Earth is rotating. It has kinetic energy of rotation. It is known to have a rotational inertia of 8.01 * 1037 kg-m2. It rotates once a day, so it turns at the rate of 6.28/86400

Re: [biofuel] A Potentially Perfect Energy Source!

2002-12-29 Thread Steve Spence
Good way to decay our orbit and drop us into the sun Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[biofuel] Re: Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread Keith Addison
Me thinks part of the problem lies in the fact that, when god's/nature's engineers were designing our world, profit was not one of their design considerations. Well, not one with any large priority anyways. It was actually: Go forth and multiply - or was it divide and multiply? LOL! At any

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread Keith Addison
Canada IS a free country?? I thought it was logged in the books as a Socialist Country?? Is Canada looking like a free country a tell-tale indication of what (comparatively) the US has become (or is turning in to)??? No debate ... simply food for thought. Curtis Now here's a thing a lot of

Re: [biofuel] Re: Impure Water

2002-12-29 Thread Hakan Falk
Well, if it is only an expert who said it, without sending it to laboratory for test, I would not be so sure. A lab test is not that expensive and then you are more sure of what the water contains. It could be a number of things. Does it smell and if, what? Is it any other things? How does it

[biofuel] Simple economics Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread csakima
Hey, come to think of it ... yes I do remember someone mentioning that. That the problem lies in (whoevers) draining the principal of nature's assets ... instead of leaving the principal alone and living off of the interest (dividends) as our savage ancestors had done in earlier times.

Re: [biofuel] In Europe, the case of the missing sparrows csmonitor.com

2002-12-29 Thread murdoch
thx, this is a very interesting story. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1227/p01s03-woeu.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To

[biofuel] OT: where to discuss farming and nutrition issues

2002-12-29 Thread murdoch
I have a question as to some food storage issues, and wonder if there's a good place where people here go to discuss such matters, aside from the occasional off-topic post here. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives:

Re: [biofuel] OT: where to discuss farming and nutrition issues

2002-12-29 Thread Steve Spence
misc.rural on usenet. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 29,

RE: [biofuel] A Potentially Perfect Energy Source!

2002-12-29 Thread kirk
How much energy would that take? -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 1:56 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] A Potentially Perfect Energy Source! Good way to decay our orbit and drop us into the sun

OT Philosophy (was Re: [biofuel] Re: Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-020

2002-12-29 Thread rpg
- Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Me thinks part of the problem lies in the fact that, when god's/nature's engineers were designing our world, profit was not one of their design considerations. Well, not one with any large priority anyways. Curtis Agree with

Re: [biofuel] OT: where to discuss farming and nutrition issues

2002-12-29 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM I have a question as to some food storage issues, and wonder if there's a good place where people here go to discuss such matters, aside from the occasional off-topic post here. http://waltonfeed.com/grain/faqs/ The Food Storage FAQs From Misc.Survivalism http://permapak.net/faq.htm

[biofuel] I guess it's the nature of Man .... Was: Philosophy

2002-12-29 Thread csakima
Well, I think it has something to do with ... what I call the sweat theory. The easiest way to put it (without getting lenghthy) is to remember the old bible adage. When God commands Adam ... by the sweat of thy brow ... thou shall eat. In other words ... by the work that we put into the land

Re: [biofuel] Simple economics Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread Keith Addison
Hey, come to think of it ... yes I do remember someone mentioning that. That the problem lies in (whoevers) draining the principal of nature's assets ... instead of leaving the principal alone and living off of the interest (dividends) as our savage ancestors had done in earlier times.

[biofuel] The Green GoatT is a hybrid switcher.

2002-12-29 Thread Steve Spence
http://www.railpower.com/greengoat.php Now, if only they'd fuel it with biofuel. The Green GoatT is a hybrid switcher. That means the electric traction motors on the axles are powered by a large bank of custom-designed lead acid batteries. The batteries are kept charged by a small generator

[biofuel] You want food for thought?? Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlotsof the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread csakima
Nah, actually quite the contrary. I don't believe the MaCarthy era's ever even started. I'll tell you how I really feel Keith: Back in WWII, I was told that there was a BIG discrepancy between what the Nazi's DID ... out there on the war front and what the Nazi-German-PRESS ... TOLD

[biofuel] The Savages Was: Simple economics

2002-12-29 Thread csakima
Precisely why the word savage was in quote. Sorry if that was not so obvious. If the savage one is me. How is it there is so much you don't know .. you don't know -Paint with all the colors of the wind, sung by Pocahantas Curtis Get your free newsletter at

[biofuel] Hall of mirrors - the religions that worships .... YOU Was: Simple economics

2002-12-29 Thread csakima
At the risk of starting a debate, I believe the reason for the Hall of Mirror effect is sheerly because industrialized countries believe that they are, in reality GODS. Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Keith

[biofuel] interesting statistic; train vs. truck efficiency

2002-12-29 Thread Steve Spence
Everyone knows that trains are more fuel efficient and produce less smog than trucks, but by what factor? The rail to truck advantage is one double-stack container train = 280 tractor trailers. A train is 2-4 times more fuel efficient than trucks per ton-mile and emits one third the NOx of trucks

Re: [biofuel] A Potentially Perfect Energy Source!

2002-12-29 Thread csakima
Actually, it would not decay our orbit at all. I reread the original post an it seems that the energy was taken off of the self-ROTATIONAL energy of the earth ... not the roundy-round-around-the-sunny energy. Otherwise the length of the year would be affected ... not the length of a day.

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlots

2002-12-29 Thread Kim Garth Travis
Sorry Keith, maybe there are decently run socialist countries, but Canada, unfortunately isn't one. Canada is run on the principle of the lowest common denominator; If one idiot can figure out how to hurt themselves doing something, then it is made illegal for anyone to do it. I had 35

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlots

2002-12-29 Thread Hakan Falk
Kim, I think that you are mixing Building Codes with local codes for building permits. Building Codes are there to guarantee that the building has a minimum standard, is safe, minimum life span, energy efficient, sound insulated and conflict solving. The local building rules are there for

Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become

2002-12-29 Thread Kim Garth Travis
Sorry Hakan, but no I am not mixing them up. We do not have codes in this part of the country. I am free to use PVC in my house, I can use an alternative building material like pulped paper feed bags mixed with clay for my walls, or whatever else I chose to do. There is no one I have to

[biofuel] Re: Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlots of the Sea 12-28-02

2002-12-29 Thread HHVD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks to Curtis for letting me know that Canada is a socialist country... to think I have lived here over 45 years and never knew --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canada IS a free country?? I thought it was logged in the books as a Socialist Country??

RE: [biofuel] A Potentially Perfect Energy Source!

2002-12-29 Thread kirk
This may sound weird but I think the theoretical energy is related to a mass that accelerates/decelerates relative to the earth and how much energy it takes to rotate it 180 and it may be doable as the ultimate toy. Suffer with my explanation here -- and no I didn't smoke anything. Imagine

Re: [biofuel] OT: where to discuss farming and nutrition issues

2002-12-29 Thread murdoch
Thanks. These suggestions of yours and Steve's should be sufficient. Looking at it more closely as I did to respond to an email, I think my focus is more on the nutrition side, with a tie-in to methods of storage, cooking, etc.. Surely there must be some sort yahoo nutrition group. I'll look

Re: [biofuel] OT: where to discuss farming and nutrition issues

2002-12-29 Thread Keith Addison
Thanks. These suggestions of yours and Steve's should be sufficient. Looking at it more closely as I did to respond to an email, I think my focus is more on the nutrition side, with a tie-in to methods of storage, cooking, etc.. Surely there must be some sort yahoo nutrition group. I'll look