Re: [biofuels-biz] Catalysts don't participate?

2003-08-06 Thread Michael Allen
Hi Marc, *When is a catalyst not a catalyst?* If your catalyst is partly consumed in the reaction you are promoting then it is not, by definition, a catalyst! (Hence your use of quotes I presume) In the case of methoxides, the problem is surely that they are consumed by side reactions

Re: [biofuels-biz] Catalysts don't participate?

2003-08-06 Thread girl mark
That brings up something for me that I was just wondering about (being a bucket chemist as well, and in fact a very ignorant one): what are the reactants in saponification? Is water a catalyst or a reactant there? Is there anything other than soap formed? What is the role of heat in

Re: [biofuels-biz] Catalysts don't participate?

2003-08-06 Thread Ken Gotberg
Catalysts lower the activation energy of a chemical process. They are like a tunnel through a mountain. The starting point and finishing point are exactly the same (identical state functions). You just don’t have to climb over the mountain to get from here to there. If the finish point is

[biofuels-biz] any homebrewers or BD for sale along western half of I-80?

2003-08-06 Thread girl mark
Hi all, My life just got a little more exciting. I and my teaching partner and one of our biodiesel interns are going on a road trip in a little VW she just bought, all heading to Ames Iowa for the Iowa State University commercial biodiesel workshop series in mid-august.. Buying a cheap VW and

Re: [biofuels-biz] any homebrewers or BD for sale along western half of I-80?

2003-08-06 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
Mark - why not fit it out with a kit and go WVO? Might be easier, especially if you have, ahem, a system you can fill right from the jugs sometimes found behind the pubs (or in their kitchens) along the way...not always in dumpsters. Some places in the smaller towns are used to putting it

[biofuels-biz] Something acid + biodiesel = FFA + methyl something

2003-08-06 Thread Michael Allen
Michael, there's been some scepticism recently about using acid in the wash. I don't agree with the sceptics. I wrote this on our Bubble washing page: Using acid Some people say it's a mistake to quench the wash with acid. They say that while the acid will neutralize the alkali

Re: [biofuels-biz] any homebrewers or BD for sale along western half of I-80?

2003-08-06 Thread M. Bjorn Ansbro
Sorry I can't help with anything more than words of encouragement. What you're proposing just sounds exceptionally cool! I would love to hear how your trip goes. If you wrote an article about the experience, I'm certain someone would publish it. One question, though. You mention that

RE: [biofuels-biz] reducing ffa's

2003-08-06 Thread Christopher Tan
How were you able to know that your ffa's increase? If you are just using a pH meter, it is but natural that the pH will fall since you are using a strong acid H2SO4. If you are titrating with NaOH, H2SO4 will eat up a considerable amount of lye. Christopher =-Original Message- =From:

[biofuels-biz] EERE Network News -- 08/06/03

2003-08-06 Thread EERE
== EERE NETWORK NEWS -- August 6, 2003 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). http://www.eere.energy.gov/

Re: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread Grant County Economic Development
When you mention bio fuel, you always think wood. We have more agri bio mass than this country needs, and close at hand to transmission lines. This is why AIRE Agricultural, Industrial, Renewable Energy is building renewable biomass plants to create hot water and steam for industry...

Re: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread murdoch
As to the folks who build in the wilderness and need their homes protected, I don't exactly have a tough shit attitude, but I don't advocate spending every effort to protect every inch of human structures. While you many not have a tough potatos attitude towards those who take such risks, I

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Fwd from biofuels-biz: To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:25:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue First, I think the conflagrations, however terrible, should be

[biofuels-biz] Fuel prices 'cream' firms: Factories idled, jobs lost

2003-08-06 Thread murdoch
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=677ncid=677e=5u=/usatoday/20030806/bs_usatoday/11518223 Business - USA TODAY Fuel prices 'cream' firms Wed Aug 6, 6:14 AM ET By Barbara Hagenbaugh, USA TODAY Freedom Plastics President Steve Scaccia doesn't mince words when he discusses what

Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread murdoch
I think you meant to forward this to some other group. You have forwarded it apparently to the same group. Sincerely, Josh On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:24:52 +0900, you wrote: Fwd from biofuels-biz: To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003

[biofuels-biz] Don't mix with us, warn Big Oil bullies

2003-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Ed Beggs sent me this link - anyone seen any updates? Best Keith http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,6765807% 255E16943,00.html The Australian MARK WESTFIELD Don't mix with us, warn Big Oil bullies July 17, 2003 FEDERAL Cabinet will decide the fate of Australia's

[biofuels-biz] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread murdoch
Perhaps the folks back East have been less brazen about building in less protected areas? I.e., perhaps there are less way-out-in-the-woods structures, so that when 6000 acres burns, it doesn't destroy many homes? On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:25:17 -0400, you wrote: Hallo, Wednesday, 06 August,

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Don't mix with us, warn Big Oil bullies

2003-08-06 Thread Andrew Lowe
Ed Beggs sent me this link - anyone seen any updates? Best Keith http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,6765807% 255E16943,00.html The Australian MARK WESTFIELD Don't mix with us, warn Big Oil bullies July 17, 2003 FEDERAL Cabinet will decide the fate of

[biofuels-biz] Re: Don't mix with us, warn Big Oil bullies

2003-08-06 Thread murdoch
Just in case it's not obvious to you or to others, a good way to search for recent news, seemingly including quite a few international news sources, is: http://news.google.com Using the search terms ethanol and australia for example, many many stories from the past few days come up. Note that

[biofuels-biz] [biofuel] Re: Don't mix with us, warn Big Oil bullies

2003-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Why thankyou MM - that's what I usually use too, just being lazy, or was I being busy? or both? Google news is good, though they say it's still beta. You might have a look at this too: http://www.google.com/news/ News and Resources And this one is amazing!

Re: Re: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread Grant County Economic Development
Mark, you are right on track It took me three years to get the approval to build this biomass plant. We will be burning all types of CD (construction and demolition) waste. You see the mountian of old 2x4's and pallets. Plus, cities are already asking me about other types of waste ie.

Re: [biofuels-biz] any homebrewers or BD for sale along western half of I-80?

2003-08-06 Thread David Teal
Most efficient way to haul extra weight with a small car is to use a trailer (not USA mobile home, just a garden trailer). Buy it in California and sell it in Iowa when it is empty. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Vehicle certification and taxation for biofuels in developing countries.

2003-08-06 Thread Hakan
I did a small addition to, http://energy.saving.nu/vehicles/taxes.shtml as follows, Fossil fuel vs. biofuel taxation. It is not really correct to compare locally produced biofuels and fossil fuels from a taxation angle. The reason is that the level of taxes trough out the chain are

Re: [biofuels-biz] any homebrewers or BD for sale along western half of I-80?

2003-08-06 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
...or in the USA, rent a U-Haul for the trip, and use it both directions, ...or hitch the little VW to the first big motorhome that's passing by, and ride inside with the owners, listening to country and eating nachos, with the A/C on and a good card game goingah, now that's the

Re: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread murdoch
You rule. On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:20:08 -0500, you wrote: Mark, you are right on track It took me three years to get the approval to build this biomass plant. We will be burning all types of CD (construction and demolition) waste. You see the mountian of old 2x4's and pallets. Plus, cities

[biofuels-biz] Specialized Incineration was Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread Appal Energy
Construction debris is not all 2 x 4's. And these people are touting their ash as fertilizer? Throw in a measure of pressure treated lumber, a plethora of chemical stews used in engineered wood and plywood. I'd almost ask who the hell cares if the EPA has tested their emissions, but I do. What

Re: [biofuel] ethanol/sodium ethoxide does it work for biodiesel?

2003-08-06 Thread Joaquin Brintrup
Yes, it should work. For more details look at this: http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/biodiesel_ethanol.htm or http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_link.html#ethylester --- refunkoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone out there tried using ethanol (200 proof denatured) and

Jets - was Re: [biofuel] ASTM Fuel

2003-08-06 Thread girl_mark_fire
Congratulations, Jack! I am also starting to think about just suggesting 22% for homebrewers in general at this point. 20% is a compromise, not set in stone- and there's simply not that much difference between 20 and 22 in terms of the per-gallon cost of the finished product even without

[biofuel] Genetically modified oil seeds

2003-08-06 Thread Joaquin Brintrup
Hi, does anybody know if there is someone working on genetic modification of canola, or any other seed to make a better oil for biofuels? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

[biofuel] any homebrewers or BD for sale along western half of I-80?

2003-08-06 Thread girl mark
Hi all, My life just got a little more exciting. I and my teaching partner and one of our biodiesel interns are going on a road trip in a little VW she just bought, all heading to Ames Iowa for the Iowa State University commercial biodiesel workshop series in mid-august.. Buying a cheap VW and

Re: [biofuel] First Liquid Hydrogen Refueling Station Opens in Tokyo

2003-08-06 Thread Greg and April
All I can say is that I hope the thing doesn't catch fire and explode. Here is a pic. http://www2.shell.com/home/Framework?siteId=hydrogen-enFC1=FC2=FC3=%2Fhydrogen-en%2Fhtml%2Fiwgen%2Fnews_and_library%2Fpressreleases%2F2003%2Fshowa_station_1806_1100.htmlFC4=FC5= If any one of the tanks go, it

[biofuel] EERE Network News -- 08/06/03

2003-08-06 Thread EERE
== EERE NETWORK NEWS -- August 6, 2003 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). http://www.eere.energy.gov/

Re: [biofuel] Genetically modified oil seeds

2003-08-06 Thread william d thompson
I do not know if it is a GMO, but I was on a farm in Oregon that is raising hybrid canola. The parent seeds are from two different continents. I know he is working on a higher yield. What change would you think would make a better oil? They could splice in a mint gene that would make it

Re: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread murdoch
As to the folks who build in the wilderness and need their homes protected, I don't exactly have a tough shit attitude, but I don't advocate spending every effort to protect every inch of human structures. While you many not have a tough potatos attitude towards those who take such risks, I

[biofuel] Fuel prices 'cream' firms: Factories idled, jobs lost

2003-08-06 Thread murdoch
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=677ncid=677e=5u=/usatoday/20030806/bs_usatoday/11518223 Business - USA TODAY Fuel prices 'cream' firms Wed Aug 6, 6:14 AM ET By Barbara Hagenbaugh, USA TODAY Freedom Plastics President Steve Scaccia doesn't mince words when he discusses what

Re: [biofuel] ethanol/sodium ethoxide does it work for biodiesel?

2003-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Has anyone out there tried using ethanol (200 proof denatured) and NaOH to make their biodiesel? I'm curious to try it out. Mark KOH is preferred - see below. Ethyl-esters biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_link.html#ethylester Optimization of a Batch Type Ethyl Ester Process --

Re: [biofuel] Genetically modified oil seeds

2003-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Joaquin Brintrup wrote: Hi, does anybody know if there is someone working on genetic modification of canola, or any other seed to make a better oil for biofuels? Better in which way? Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill

Re: [biofuel] Genetically modified oil seeds

2003-08-06 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
Likely the usual government and seed company folks are, ...but I don't imagine they'll rush to the phone to talk to you about it - too busy filing patents! And Keithwell, you knowbetter!!! Pass the mustard? ;-) Edward Beggs On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 08:45 AM, Keith

Re: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread william d thompson
I wrote earlier about cleaning out the underbrush only to have it changed into wanting to protect all of the people who live in the boonies and to open up all areas to campers and gawkers. The operative word is MODERATION. Do we all agree there are one-two-four lane paved and unpaved roads

Re: [biofuel] Genetically modified oil seeds

2003-08-06 Thread dcande01
How about GM rapeseed with a denaturant (NOT TO BE EATEN) that produces 10 times as much oil as non GM rapeseed. Maybe you could treat the seeds with BGH. Fred On Wednesday, Aug 6, 2003, at 11:45 US/Eastern, Keith Addison wrote: Joaquin Brintrup wrote: Hi, does anybody know if there is

[biofuel] Don't mix with us, warn Big Oil bullies

2003-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Ed Beggs sent me this link - anyone seen any updates? Best Keith http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,6765807% 255E16943,00.html The Australian MARK WESTFIELD Don't mix with us, warn Big Oil bullies July 17, 2003 FEDERAL Cabinet will decide the fate of Australia's

Re: [biofuel] Genetically modified oil seeds

2003-08-06 Thread Kaj
Joaquin, My understanding of agribusiness and how consolidated it all is leads me to believe that if such a product was available, the long term ecological benefits of the resulting use of biofuel may be offset by the fact that these companies have very little motivation to create a product

Re[2]: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo, Wednesday, 06 August, 2003, 10:42:35, you wrote: m (I never hear about fires and the East U.S., I don't know why not) A couple of years ago my family moved to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan to rehabilitate a house which had been vandalized (for our church). The Upper

[biofuel] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread murdoch
Perhaps the folks back East have been less brazen about building in less protected areas? I.e., perhaps there are less way-out-in-the-woods structures, so that when 6000 acres burns, it doesn't destroy many homes? On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:25:17 -0400, you wrote: Hallo, Wednesday, 06 August,

Re: [biofuel] Don't mix with us, warn Big Oil bullies

2003-08-06 Thread Andrew Lowe
Ed Beggs sent me this link - anyone seen any updates? Best Keith http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,6765807% 255E16943,00.html The Australian MARK WESTFIELD Don't mix with us, warn Big Oil bullies July 17, 2003 FEDERAL Cabinet will decide the fate of

Re: [biofuel] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread Mark
Perhaps it's the fact that it rains there most of the Summer, eh? The West, at least where I live, it stops raining in April, and starts in November. As the Realtors say, location, location, location Mark From The Arid West --- murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the folks back

[biofuel] Re: Don't mix with us, warn Big Oil bullies

2003-08-06 Thread murdoch
Just in case it's not obvious to you or to others, a good way to search for recent news, seemingly including quite a few international news sources, is: http://news.google.com Using the search terms ethanol and australia for example, many many stories from the past few days come up. Note that

Re: [biofuel] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo, Wednesday, 06 August, 2003, 15:17:23, you wrote: m Perhaps the folks back East have been less brazen about building in m less protected areas? I.e., perhaps there are less m way-out-in-the-woods structures, so that when 6000 acres burns, it m doesn't destroy many homes? Possibly.

[biofuel] Re: Don't mix with us, warn Big Oil bullies

2003-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Why thankyou MM - that's what I usually use too, just being lazy, or was I being busy? or both? Google news is good, though they say it's still beta. You might have a look at this too: http://www.google.com/news/ News and Resources And this one is amazing!

Re: [biofuel] Vehicle certification and taxation for biofuels in developing countries.

2003-08-06 Thread Hakan
I did a small addition to, http://energy.saving.nu/vehicles/taxes.shtml as follows, Fossil fuel vs. biofuel taxation. It is not really correct to compare locally produced biofuels and fossil fuels from a taxation angle. The reason is that the level of taxes trough out the chain are

[biofuel] biodiesel layers

2003-08-06 Thread Brent
Did another batch and got that thin layer between the glycerine and the diesel. Remind me again what it is. Thanx Brent Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free

[biofuel] US DOE NRC want to dump radioactive solid waste on the public

2003-08-06 Thread Appal Energy
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8342 And as recently departed NRC chairman Richard Meserve observed, recycling the waste is definitely a lot cheaper for the nuclear waste generators. In January 2001, Environment News Service reported him saying that releasing contaminated solid waste

Re: [biofuel] US DOE NRC want to dump radioactive solid waste on the public

2003-08-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Todd Unbelievable, eh? I remember the 2001 ENS report, but what I don't remember seeing there was this - I was just waiting for it this time: are they going to dump it in the food?? on our kids' teeth -- even artificial hip joints and IUDs -- to gardening tools, potting soil... Nearly

Re: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread murdoch
You rule. On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:20:08 -0500, you wrote: Mark, you are right on track It took me three years to get the approval to build this biomass plant. We will be burning all types of CD (construction and demolition) waste. You see the mountian of old 2x4's and pallets. Plus, cities

[biofuel] Specialized Incineration was Connecting the Wildfire Issue and the Biofuel Issue

2003-08-06 Thread Appal Energy
Construction debris is not all 2 x 4's. And these people are touting their ash as fertilizer? Throw in a measure of pressure treated lumber, a plethora of chemical stews used in engineered wood and plywood. I'd almost ask who the hell cares if the EPA has tested their emissions, but I do. What

Re: [biofuel] US DOE NRC want to dump radioactive solid waste on the public

2003-08-06 Thread Appal Energy
So every time my future grandchildren pick up an eating utensil they should consider themselves fortunate to be needlessly dosed with more radiation, courtesy of the DOE NRC? And the jock working out on the weight machines every day? Or simply sitting in your car? Or toasting your bagel? Or the