[biofuels-biz] EERE Network News -- 09/24/03

2003-09-24 Thread EERE
== EERE NETWORK NEWS -- September 24, 2003 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). http://www.eere.energy.gov/

Re: [biofuels-biz] Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better

2003-09-24 Thread martin.brook
thanks, will keep you posted. - Original Message - From: Ken Gotberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better Hi Martin I don't know and suppose you would have to get a

[biofuels-biz] CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) Vehicles and Biofuels and Fuel Cells?

2003-09-24 Thread murdoch
The other day I saw a Ford Pickup powered by CNG. This reminded me that Honda also has a CNG car, and that furthermore, they've pioneered putting some compression gear in folks' homes, rather than asking a CNG vehicle owner to have to go to the gas station to fill up on Natural Gas, compressed

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid?

2003-09-24 Thread murdoch
The thing is, though, that the only two hybrid makers haven't made their hybrids biofuel-oriented, and the good diesel or flex-fuel-E85 makers haven't made hybrids. I didn't mention modifying a new Prius or Civic Hybrid or Insight because I assume that someone's going to have a lot of

[biofuels-biz] Boulder Colorado conference next week Sustainable Resources

2003-09-24 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
http://www.sustainableresources.org/sr2003/index.html I will be attending the above conference next week, in Boulder Colorado, (and will also, of course, have a small exhibit space on behalf of Neoteric Biofuels Inc.). It looks like a really good conference for anyone who is interested in

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: [Biodiesel] Water in Biodiesel?

2003-09-24 Thread Keith Addison
We've been using KOH as standard for some time now, for similar reasons (though we're not interested in fertilizers), and a couple of others too. One is that it dissolves in methanol much more easily than NaOH, and it doesn't clump. Methoxide the easy way is very quick with KOH:

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid?

2003-09-24 Thread Brian Kelly
I've been thinking about a hybrid / biodiesel combo for a while. It would push fuel efficiency and sustainability to a new high for vehicles. I recently purchased a new jetta diesel though and still feel good about my plans to run it on biodiesel. The mileage will still be much better than most

[biofuel] Sources of methanol in teh US?

2003-09-24 Thread kline
Well, I'm ready to make a couple of test batches of biodiesel, and I just wonder what are some good sources of methanol, common places that would carry it that Iwouldn't have to order over the internet for, and deal with those nasty HAZMAT shipping fees. I know someone mentioned methyl hydrate

Re: [biofuel] Unwashed BD with pH 7

2003-09-24 Thread Pieter Koole
Keith wrote : You have this next bit wrong Pieter, I don't know what you've been reading but Aleks Kac doesn't have a method for separating glycerin and FFAs, that's by Todd and me. Very very sorry Keith. How could I be that stupid. I may have got confused on this, unsuccessfully trying to

Re: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid?

2003-09-24 Thread Mike Barnett
Thor could you please tell me what this acronym is, and how my Mitsubishi L200 rates in that test ( I am assuming???) Mike JAMAICA On the other hand, the new Prius gets considerably better mileage, and is a SULEV/PZEV. Not being carbon neutral withstanding, it pollutes much less than the

RE: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid?

2003-09-24 Thread Bryan Brah
I've been following this thread for a while and I know that it originated because of real-world concerns about BD vs. hybrid gasoline/electric, but what about running hybrids on biofuels? How difficult would it be to modify the Prius to run on ethanol or methane? I'm sure it would void the

RE: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid?

2003-09-24 Thread Hakan Falk
I am almost sure that the hybrids are running on biofuels. With the EU demands on biofuel compatibility, it is almost unthinkable that they would make a US models without it. European or Japanese Diesel on biodiesel is a good choice for cost/performance/environment as well as oil dependence. I

Re: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid?

2003-09-24 Thread murdoch
The thing is, though, that the only two hybrid makers haven't made their hybrids biofuel-oriented, and the good diesel or flex-fuel-E85 makers haven't made hybrids. I didn't mention modifying a new Prius or Civic Hybrid or Insight because I assume that someone's going to have a lot of

Re: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid?

2003-09-24 Thread csakima
Ah, but don't forget ... Biofuel powered GRID-CHARGEABLE hybrid!! Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Bryan Brah [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been following this thread for a while and I know that it originated because of

Modifying a hybrid to work on Biofuels Was: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid?

2003-09-24 Thread csakima
Indeed. If I wasn't so (literally) BROKE right now .. I'd take a swing at a modification project! :) Curtis 15 year component-level Electronics-Tech. Hotrodder (Weber Carbs/Headers/etc/etc). Some experience fooling car-computers into working with non-standard modified setups when I

[biofuel] 1/2 did Was: Hydrogen Economy-2

2003-09-24 Thread csakima
I TRIED once! Does that count?? Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problems with hydrogen are: How do you produce it in an energetically efficient manner, and how can you

[biofuel] Texaco Ovonics Hydrogen Systems (TOHS) announcements on H2 refueling and H2 Hydride storage

2003-09-24 Thread murdoch
Looks like they're not fooling around. If they're debuting some of this at the Bibendum, then we should be getting some first hand discussions of it soon. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030924/dew008_1.html and also: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030924/dew007_1.html Press Release Source: Texaco

[biofuel] Boulder Colorado conference next week Sustainable Resources

2003-09-24 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
http://www.sustainableresources.org/sr2003/index.html I will be attending the above conference next week, in Boulder Colorado, (and will also, of course, have a small exhibit space on behalf of Neoteric Biofuels Inc.). It looks like a really good conference for anyone who is interested in

[biofuel] Fwd: Re: [Biodiesel] Water in Biodiesel?

2003-09-24 Thread Keith Addison
We've been using KOH as standard for some time now, for similar reasons (though we're not interested in fertilizers), and a couple of others too. One is that it dissolves in methanol much more easily than NaOH, and it doesn't clump. Methoxide the easy way is very quick with KOH:

Re: [biofuel] Texaco Ovonics Hydrogen Systems (TOHS) announcements on H2 refueling and H2 Hydride storage

2003-09-24 Thread Hakan Falk
MM, Ready for use = No Time for major implementation = 30 years Can we afford to bet on only this = No Can we afford to wait 30 years = No Interesting and possible a part of a future solution, who knows. I like this kind of news as an engineer. It is however quite revealing about the stage of

Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Re: [Biodiesel] Water in Biodiesel?

2003-09-24 Thread Bob Allen
Do you use the KOH pellets (85%)? I have made several batches from virgin oil without problems but have had difficulty with used oil, using NaOH. I have tried both the excess base and acid/base methods. I am getting incomplete reaction , as indicated by TLC. Generally the products

Re: [biofuel] Texaco Ovonics Hydrogen Systems (TOHS) announcements on H2 refueling and H2 Hydride storage

2003-09-24 Thread murdoch
Hakan: A couple of things: If I don't always comment on your H2 stance, it doesn't mean I entirely disagree with you. It's just that there are many points to cover I think. Here we have, in these articles, a number of points. 1. This is Texaco-Ovonic, the same folks, more or less, who have

[biofuel] GM debate in the UK...

2003-09-24 Thread Mark
Interesting spin on the GM issue from the US Trade press Hijacked meetings, yeah, that's it...can't be true consumer feelings... IFT Newsletter SEPTEMBER 24, 2003 UK rejects GM foods in public debate According to a recent survey, the UK public has rejected the case for growing and eating

[biofuel] Isn't it a Gas

2003-09-24 Thread MH
A few abbreviated news articles -- Largest Arctic Ice Shelf Breaks Up, Draining Freshwater Lake Quebec City - Sep 24, 2003 The largest ice shelf in the Arctic has broken, and scientists who have studied it closely say it is evidence of ongoing and accelerated climate change in the

Re: Modifying a hybrid to work on Biofuels Was: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid?

2003-09-24 Thread murdoch
Curtis 15 year component-level Electronics-Tech. Hotrodder (Weber Carbs/Headers/etc/etc). Some experience fooling car-computers into working with non-standard modified setups when I did some Propane-Conversions. You might be interested in www.phoenixmotorcars.com They're trying an

Re: [biofuel] Texaco Ovonics Hydrogen Systems (TOHS) announcements on H2 refueling and H2 Hydride storage

2003-09-24 Thread Hakan Falk
MM, I share the excitement of smart technical solutions with you and it is interesting. The Prius that they installed the tank in, could be the one with $20,000 tank that we heard gossips about. That does not exclude that it can be mass produced at an affordable cost. I am 62 years old now,

Re: [biofuel] Texaco Ovonics Hydrogen Systems (TOHS) announcements on H2 refueling and H2 Hydride storage

2003-09-24 Thread Quinn
Hey Hakan, Don't give up!; )Of course you won't, you have grandchildren to think about. I told a friend the other day that its up to us to get the young people involved and although I'm not younger enough than you to be considered a young person, I believe that its the conversations

[biofuel] Re: KOH - was Fwd: Re: [Biodiesel] Water in Biodiesel?

2003-09-24 Thread Keith Addison
Bob Allen wrote: Do you use the KOH pellets (85%)? Yes - half-pearls, about 4-5mm, 85%. Higher grade is 92%, but we can't get it here, or not easily, and see no need anyway. I have made several batches What size batches? from virgin oil without problems but have had difficulty with used

Re: [biofuel] Texaco Ovonics Hydrogen Systems (TOHS) announcements on H2 refueling and H2 Hydride storage

2003-09-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM, Hakan and all MM, I share the excitement of smart technical solutions with you and it is interesting. The Prius that they installed the tank in, could be the one with $20,000 tank that we heard gossips about. That does not exclude that it can be mass produced at an affordable cost.

Re: [biofuel] GM debate in the UK...

2003-09-24 Thread Appal Energy
There was some evidence that GM opponents hijacked public meetings and sent most of the letters - so skewing the outcome. Observers at meetings counted five opponents for every supporter or neutral person who attended. This should prove to be an exercise in reality for the uninitiated. If a

Re: [biofuel] Sources of methanol in teh US?

2003-09-24 Thread GeorgeLola
I get mine from Univar and All Pro. I think All Pro just got brought out so the name might be different now. They deal in racing equipment and the like George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I'm ready to make a couple of test batches of biodiesel, and I just wonder what are some good

Re: [biofuel] Texaco Ovonics Hydrogen Systems (TOHS) announcements on H2 refueling and H2 Hydride storage

2003-09-24 Thread murdoch
I don't want to harp on about it (or do I??) but the three PNGV hybrids made by the Big Three were on the road, though not in the showroom, and they were making good progress towards the showroom too, it wasn't that far off when the programme was axed. They were trying to reach, or had

Re: [biofuel] GM debate in the UK...

2003-09-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Todd, Mark Mae-Wan Ho of the Institute of Science in Society describes something of how the meetings were hijacked, and by whom - and, what a surprise, NOT by GM opponents. See: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GMNDF.php The GM National Debate Farce Also: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GMSRDF.php GM

Re: [biofuel] Texaco Ovonics Hydrogen Systems (TOHS) announcements on H2 refueling and H2 Hydride storage

2003-09-24 Thread Hakan Falk
MM, I know that we share the interests in technologies and it is many times what keep us going, but are you sure in the following? At 12:46 AM 9/25/2003, you wrote: Although we have not seen gas prices in the US rise to $4-5 per gallon, It you add the current costs of Iraq and other