RE: [biofuel] Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe

2004-05-21 Thread malcolm maclure
Unfortunately folks, no matter what Microsoft or any third party s/w company produce to counter this situation, it will be hacked in a very short time. A similar situation exists for online gamers, a world dogged by a minority of people who cheat using hacks to give them an unfair advantage

[biofuel] It has happened twice now.

2004-05-21 Thread biobenz
I successfully made one batch using WVO but that required a double processing and came away matching all the numbers I have read about, BUT twice now I have doen the folowing and with nearly the same results. Could someone please point out the flaw ? WVO = 500ml heated to 130F. Using the

[biofuel] The ultimate bio fuel goes agag

2004-05-21 Thread Steve
May 17 2004 Camper van thief siphons off raw sewage instead of diesel By Calum Macdonald A BUNGLING thief tried to siphon diesel from a camper van but got a mouthful of raw sewage. The would-be raider missed the fuel tank in the dark and put a tube into the van's septic

[biofuel] Followup 82 mercedes 300td HELP!

2004-05-21 Thread lendzian
List members, I wanted to take a minute of your time to thank the list collectively for the kind offers of assistance which numbered over a dozen. Most all of the advice was very useful. With that being said, I have learned something valuable that I

Re: [biofuel] Least Costly Cars To Own.... according to one study's methodology

2004-05-21 Thread Martin Klingensmith
That's the total cost of ownership for 5 years - car, fuel, insurance, etc. Martin, Yah, well nothing should surprise you when you compare the prices in that list vs MSRP. $33 - $34 thousand for a Golf? Try $18,275 - $19,300 for a 2004, GL, TDI, 1.9 liter, Turbodiesel. I guess if they

RE: [biofuel] Least Costly Cars To Own.... according to one study's methodology

2004-05-21 Thread Martin Klingensmith
I'm sorry that was a typo, I intended to write '37' 47 would be better though :) Martin, Is this a diesel or something else - a non-USA model? The cavalier, according to yahoo autos, achieves 27-37 mpg. http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/chevrolet_cavalier_2005/3916/model_overview.h tml

Re: [biofuel] Least Costly Cars To Own.... according to one study's methodology

2004-05-21 Thread Appal Energy
Martin, So they're trying to tell me that I'm going to drop $14,000 in fuel and insurance over 5 years on a VW Golf? Presume $1,200 insurance annually. Presume 1,000 miles monthly at $2.00/gallon and 48 mpg. The math doesn't add up. Especially when this list must have been calculated some

Re: [biofuel] Re: college student lookin for help

2004-05-21 Thread rico suavae
Hi I Iive near Purdue also.We were hoping to get enough people in the area interested to have a demo or class.There was also a gent down near Indy who was also keen on a class.I had e mailed girl mark about possibly coming out but I haven't heard back yet. Is there anyone else out there in the

Re: [biofuel] Anyone on this group live in Oklahoma? what sh*t

2004-05-21 Thread rico suavae
Hi,I may be coming in on this a little late so please bear with me. I work for a large restaurant chain.Six years ago they used to pay us for our waste oil.It wasn't much but they did.Then the market changed and ever since then we've had to pay for the oil and grease to be taken

Re: [biofuel] Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe

2004-05-21 Thread Doug Foskey
There is another way: just run Linux! I have yet to have a virus problem, I do not even run a virus checker! regards Doug (A die-hard Linux user of 3 years+) On Fri, 21 May 2004 09:45 am, malcolm maclure wrote: Unfortunately folks, no matter what Microsoft or any third party s/w company

[biofuel] Sources of Methanol and Sodum Hydroxide in the UK

2004-05-21 Thread Dave Brown
Hi list, I've been wondring about Bio Diesel for a while now, since the fuel prices went up again it's finally time to take the plunge. One, ok two, questions. Sodium Hydroxide is more commonly known as Caustic Soda in the UK, is this right? Does anyone know of a good source for Methanol in

RE: [biofuel] Making bio on the cheap

2004-05-21 Thread malcolm maclure
Nice story Kitch, good on ya, good luck with everything. Malcolm UK -Original Message- From: mkitchin6548 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 May 2004 16:13 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Making bio on the cheap Hello all, Thought I'd add my 2 cents worth. Been

Re: [biofuel] Followup 82 mercedes 300td HELP! (DOUBLE THANKS)

2004-05-21 Thread Steven Pfaff
Thanks for that bit of info. I am planning to buy two Mercedes 300D's. Specifically, a '79 300CD and an '81 300SD. I'll keep that in mind and most definetly use it as a bargaining tool. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:List members, I wanted to take a minute of your time to thank the list

[biofuel] Phenolphthalein

2004-05-21 Thread biobenz
OK, here's the thing. I can get it in all it's wonderful forms, but that doesn't help me as I don't know which one will work for titration, so that is where the wonderfully helpful people here will steer me right,please. It comes as: 1)Reagent powder 2).5% alcohol solution 3)1% alcohol

Re: [biofuel] It has happened twice now.

2004-05-21 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Luc What is the concentration of your potassium hydroxide? I think from your figures below that you're presuming 100% concentration, same as NaOH (or nearly), but KOH is less concentrated and you have to allow for that. I don't have much faith in your figure of basic 4.9 potasium, it

[biofuel] Trying to get a plant in this area

2004-05-21 Thread shelly_searcy
I am in a North Central Missouri farming community that is on a main highway and railroad. We have formed a committee to look into the idea of getting a biodiesel plant located here. If anyone could give me information as to what we need to do to get this going, please let me know. Thank

Re: [biofuel] Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe

2004-05-21 Thread John Hayes
malcolm maclure wrote: The best advice would be: Keep your Windows system updated No, the best advice would be: Don't run windows. If you do run windows, don't use Outlook or Internet Explorer. Use Mozilla, or Firebird and Thunderbird instead. They are free and more standards

Re: [biofuel] Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe

2004-05-21 Thread Keith Addison
And another way - get a Mac! There is another way: just run Linux! I have yet to have a virus problem, I do not even run a virus checker! Same. regards Doug (A die-hard Linux user of 3 years+) So what it does indeed come down to is dear old M$. Best Keith On Fri, 21 May 2004 09:45 am,

Re: [biofuel] Phenolphthalein

2004-05-21 Thread Keith Addison
OK, here's the thing. I can get it in all it's wonderful forms, but that doesn't help me as I don't know which one will work for titration, so that is where the wonderfully helpful people here will steer me right,please. It comes as: 1)Reagent powder 2).5% alcohol solution 3)1% alcohol solution

Re: [biofuel] processor from cone shaped plastic tank?

2004-05-21 Thread Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
I'm bringing myself out of lurk to waggle a small stick at folks and ask for clarification... What other problems *specifically* make folks not like the cone-bottom HDPE barrels? (ie, 'they suck' is inept. (and that's the waggly-stick part of the post.)' they suck because you can't drain

[biofuel] Phenolphthalein Thanks Keith

2004-05-21 Thread biobenz
OH crap ! I must be getting old. I already asked that one and got an answer. My appologies. Now if I can only retain what I get answers to I'll be doing well (and stop wasting poeple's time with repeats). Thanks again. Luc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[biofuel] Straight WVO

2004-05-21 Thread Richard U
HI, I've just bought an '83 Mercedes 300TD (5 cyl 3L turbo wagon) for the sole purpose of alternative fuel experimentation (well, maybe also to get me to work while I'm restoring my '68 Ford Ranchero GT) I plan on eventually setting up for full Biodiesel production (I like the water heater

[biofuel] Re: Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe

2004-05-21 Thread biobenz
Doug; Of course it is not lost that the fact that you haven't run a virus checker leaves you in the absolute dark as to whether or not your PC is loaded with spyware/adware ect... How do you know? You could be the trap door to the mountains of spam that get sent via infected machines every

[biofuel] Re: It has happened twice now. Keith

2004-05-21 Thread biobenz
That's just it. The concentration isn't marked on the container.All it says is technical which is about as helpful as guess to me. Sooo, I have re-done the thing using NaOH and will shall see what is what soon. The process is I warm up the oil in a sauce pan with a thermometer in it until it

[biofuel] Re: First time collecting used oil and have questions.

2004-05-21 Thread cutdownatree2
If you are looking for a pump you can run on a drill, I have successfully used a Ford 351W oil pump with a cordless drill. The hex shaft of the oil pump chucks right up in the drill. My 12V NiCD battery lasted about 20 gallons. I also wired in connectors to the cordless battery so I can hook

[biofuel] German Biodiesel

2004-05-21 Thread murdoch
Great link, thanks Jens. I like the discussion of the recent standards. DIN EN 14214. On Fri, 21 May 2004 10:42:50 -, you wrote: This english brochure has lots of useful information about the status of biodiesel in Germany/Europe: http://www.ufop.de/download/FlowerPower.pdf Some

[biofuel] Grease kits...

2004-05-21 Thread Matt Golden
I am about to buy a 1998 Dog Ram Cummings... and I am considering putting in a WVO kit in it. Any thoughts on running grease vs. biodiesel? I am looking at a two tank system by the greasel folks. Thanks. Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[biofuel] looking for a biodiesel 4x4 station wagon

2004-05-21 Thread Adam Monsen
Anyone know a manufacturer that produces diesel 4x4 station wagons? I can't find one anywhere. Or how about a 4x4 diesel coupe? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70

[biofuel] Methanol supplier in Redmond/Seattle area

2004-05-21 Thread Derek Sceats
Does anyone know of methanol suppliers in the Redmond/Seattle area? Thanks. Derek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM

[biofuel] re: weird gummy stuff

2004-05-21 Thread Gundle, Noam
This was certainly not my first attempt. I have made many test batches, and we made test batches in my class the previous week. And yes this was our first attempt making a 5 gallon batch. When I mixed the methoxide before we did it in blenders, before adding our oil. Yes, we used grease from

[biofuel] New to list questions?

2004-05-21 Thread Scott Armstrong
Hello All, I've been interested in making Biodiesel for some time but just found the list. First question, Does anyone know of any BioDiesel coops in NY state. Preferrably north of NYC. Secondly I have read a lot online and have seen claims of people making Biodiesel for $.60/gal. Is that

Re: [biofuel] looking for a biodiesel 4x4 station wagon

2004-05-21 Thread Steven Pfaff
Can't you get the 4motion on a TDI Volkswagen Jetta wagon? Adam Monsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Anyone know a manufacturer that produces diesel 4x4 station wagons? I can't find one anywhere. Or how about a 4x4 diesel coupe? Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: [biofuel] Sources of Methanol and Sodum Hydroxide in the UK

2004-05-21 Thread mohamed hassan
Try fisher sientific they are based in the west midland but i think they only supply to big companies or universities all the best mohamed --- Dave Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, I've been wondring about Bio Diesel for a while now, since the fuel prices went up again it's

[biofuel] are we at all concerned with GMO crops being marked for Biofuel

2004-05-21 Thread billy truman
are we at all concerned with GMO crops being marked for Biofuel What is you thoughts on this. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer

[biofuel] Vehicle for school science program needed!

2004-05-21 Thread Rodney Hadley
With the help of many individuals including members of this group, our school has developed a system of producing biodiesl and has incorporated it into our science curriculum. This program has allowed us a opportunity to teach inner city students in a hands on environment the many new and

Re: [biofuel] Energy Star Ratings and cars and Trucks?

2004-05-21 Thread murdoch
I think what I'm going to do is make sure I come back to this point, here and there, as time permits. If this program to rate appliances and homes and other related services and goods has met with some very good success (and I think it has) then I see no reason it couldn't be applied to motor

Re: [biofuel] Re: Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe

2004-05-21 Thread Martin Klingensmith
biobenz wrote: Doug; Of course it is not lost that the fact that you haven't run a virus checker leaves you in the absolute dark as to whether or not your PC is loaded with spyware/adware ect... How do you know? You could be the trap door to the mountains of spam that get sent via infected

[biofuel] Re: It has happened twice now. Keith

2004-05-21 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Luc That's just it. The concentration isn't marked on the container.All it says is technical which is about as helpful as guess to me. I think it's 92%. Adjust accordingly, see what happens. But do the bracketed tests I suggested (poor man's titration). Best Keith Sooo, I have

Re: [biofuel] processor from cone shaped plastic tank?

2004-05-21 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Heidi I'm bringing myself out of lurk to waggle a small stick at folks and ask for clarification... What other problems *specifically* make folks not like the cone-bottom HDPE barrels? (ie, 'they suck' is inept. (and that's the waggly-stick part of the post.)' they suck because you

[biofuel] re: weird gummy stuff

2004-05-21 Thread Keith Addison
I wonder why you're being so defensive? Insulting? Well, if you insist on being insulted I guess there's no help for it. But believe me, Noam, if I'd set out to insult you I wouldn't have left it in any doubt whatsoever. As it is, I doubt anyone can see any insults other than you. This was

[biofuel] Just picked up my first used oil. Is this type OK to use??

2004-05-21 Thread TJ Ferreira
I picked up a small 5 gallong jug of used cooking oil. Before I try to make my first batch of biodiesel, I wanted to make sure this kind of oil is OK to use. So here is the information I found on the outside of the box. There is a plastic jug inside this cardboard box holder protecting the

[biofuel] No time to quit Keith

2004-05-21 Thread biobenz
For one I consider it quite large of you and others here to spend your time in such a sacrificial way attempting to help us newbies learn something that for today is not a real emergency in N.America but can and probably will become one soon considering the way things are developing

Re: [biofuel] Re: Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe

2004-05-21 Thread Keith Addison
biobenz wrote: Doug; Of course it is not lost that the fact that you haven't run a virus checker leaves you in the absolute dark as to whether or not your PC is loaded with spyware/adware ect... How do you know? You could be the trap door to the mountains of spam that get sent via

Re: [biofuel] processor from cone shaped plastic tank?

2004-05-21 Thread Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
I've just dealt with quite a lot of this and your other questions in replying to Tom Ferreira (TJ.). Did you read those messages? There's a great deal more in the archives, have you checked the archives? Not Yahoo's useless archives, this one: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Yes, and

[biofuel] First timer

2004-05-21 Thread zach
hello everyone, i just joined the group and im interested in starting bio diesel and posibly ethanol production. i was wondering if you guys had any ideas on the best way for me to go about producing? ethanol looks like its a huge ratio of resource to product as in opposed to biodiesel (tonnag

[biofuel] hydrogen highway

2004-05-21 Thread tallex2002
Hydrogen Highway http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_highway04.html The Hydrogen Highway California's answer to higher gas prices. May 20 , 2004 By Allen Gibson The price of oil surpassed forty dollars a barrel this Spring - a high not seen except for a few days prior to the first

[biofuel] What is typical cost for gallon of methanol?

2004-05-21 Thread TJ Ferreira
Just getting started. Live here in California where everything is double the price grin. Called couple raceways in Sacramento and Methanol is selling for about $4 to $4.50 per gallon. Is that about right when I buy 5 gallon jugs? Thomas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [biofuel] are we at all concerned with GMO crops being marked for Biofuel

2004-05-21 Thread Keith Addison
are we at all concerned with GMO crops being marked for Biofuel What is you thoughts on this. Hello Billy Yes we are, or should be, IMO. What's the sense in producing allegedly sustainable biofuels by means of an unsustainable agriculture system? I said (re-said?) something about it a few

Re: [biofuel] No time to quit Keith

2004-05-21 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Luc For one I consider it quite large of you and others here to spend your time in such a sacrificial way attempting to help us newbies learn something that for today is not a real emergency in N.America but can and probably will become one soon considering the way things are developing

Re: [biofuel] Diesel VWs: High Mileage Vehicles, Well Kept Secrets?

2004-05-21 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Bruce Thanks very much for this, and for the references. The second one I had, but not the other two. Needs some study, and I have to do a bit more exploring. Alexander Noack of Elsbett made the same statement to me regarding the lubricating oil contamination problems when using

Re: [biofuel] First timer

2004-05-21 Thread Keith Addison
hello everyone, i just joined the group and im interested in starting bio diesel and posibly ethanol production. i was wondering if you guys had any ideas on the best way for me to go about producing? ethanol looks like its a huge ratio of resource to product as in opposed to biodiesel

Re: [biofuel] processor from cone shaped plastic tank?

2004-05-21 Thread Keith Addison
I've just dealt with quite a lot of this and your other questions in replying to Tom Ferreira (TJ.). Did you read those messages? There's a great deal more in the archives, have you checked the archives? Not Yahoo's useless archives, this one: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Yes, and

[biofuel] Re: What is typical cost for gallon of methanol?

2004-05-21 Thread ibedonc
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, TJ Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just getting started. Live here in California where everything is double the price grin. Called couple raceways in Sacramento and Methanol is selling for about $4 to $4.50 per gallon. Is that about right when I buy 5