Re: [Biofuel] US forces in Somalia

2007-01-11 Thread Keith Addison
Also: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-01-07-ethiopia_x.htm U.S. support key to Ethiopia's invasion - USATODAY.com By Barbara Slavin, USA TODAY WASHINGTON - The United States has quietly poured weapons and military advisers into Ethiopia, whose recent invasion of Somalia opened a new

[Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel

2007-01-11 Thread MK DuPree
Anyone know anything about Tyson using chicken fat to supply stock for biodiesel? If so, comments? Thanks. Mike DuPree___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

[Biofuel] Methanol recovery;

2007-01-11 Thread Joe Street
Hey Tom et al; I think I might have a new solution for our woes re. re-use of methanol. Rather than trying to dry it for re-use in making BD we might be able to just use it for fuel. This local dude who is way into performance diesels comes into my place last night to talk about BD

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol recovery;

2007-01-11 Thread JAMES PHELPS
Propane is also used, but metanol would be more controlable and less volitale. From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol recovery; Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:52:11 -0500 Hey Tom et al; I think I might

Re: [Biofuel] US forces in Somalia

2007-01-11 Thread Jim Al Tefft
Zeke, I couldn't agree with you more! Jim Al Tefft - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] US forces in Somalia So it seems that we are now engaged in direct military

Re: [Biofuel] The American Chemistry Council on Chemical Body Burden

2007-01-11 Thread doug swanson
I would expect that with a scientific study, mice, rats and monkeys will be subjected to individual chemicals, and comparisons between their body mass and the dosage of chemical will lead to a LD (lethal dose) number. We, however, are subjected to a blend of many chemicals, some of which

Re: [Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel

2007-01-11 Thread Keith Addison
Anyone know anything about Tyson using chicken fat to supply stock for biodiesel? If so, comments? Thanks. Mike DuPree http://www.agriculture.com/ag/futuresource/FutureSourceStoryIndex.jhtm l?storyId=77700329 Overlooked Animal Fat Becomes Key Biodiesel Ingredient 4:15 PM, January 2, 2007

Re: [Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel

2007-01-11 Thread Joe Street
Keith Addison posted: Snip http://www.agriculture.com/ag/futuresource/FutureSourceStoryIndex.jhtm l?storyId=77700329 snip While it's always been cheaper, animal fat was initially overlooked as a biodiesel fuel stock because of its uneven quality, Eidman said. The sulfur content

Re: [Biofuel] The American Chemistry Council on Chemical Body Burden

2007-01-11 Thread D. Mindock
Who knows whether the idea of a threshold is valid. I think in studies of radioactive materials on the human body, sometimes a small exposure is worse than a larger one. And it's known too that there is no safe level of mercury. I'd imagine that the same is true for uranium. Figuring out how a

Re: [Biofuel] The American Chemistry Council on Chemical Body Burden

2007-01-11 Thread Frank Navarrete
I agree -- calling any trace amount harmless is preposterous. On 1/11/07, D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who knows whether the idea of a threshold is valid. I think in studies of radioactive materials on the human body, sometimes a small exposure is worse than a larger one. And it's

Re: [Biofuel] Threats of Peak Oil to the Global Food Supply

2007-01-11 Thread Jason Katie
anyone see that old movie waterworld ? i kind of like the idea of that aerofoil wind turbine that was built into the mast of the main character's catamaran. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Frank Navarrete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[Biofuel] Warming warning Book says Bush government misleading public on warming - The Toronto Star - 2007.01.01

2007-01-11 Thread Darryl McMahon
Warming warning Book says Bush government misleading public on warming Illustration: FRED CHARTRAND cp Laurie Wier, ice analyst with Environment Canada's Canadian Ice Service, looks over a Modis (Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectro Radiometre) image in Ottawa Friday. It shows the collapse in 2005

[Biofuel] Oil sands hit major 'hurdle' in California - Globe and Mail - 2007.01.11

2007-01-11 Thread Darryl McMahon
Oil sands hit major 'hurdle' in California Alberta's energy resources at disadvantage under state rule limiting greenhouse gases Byline: Martin Mittelstaedt The tar sands are one of the most prolific sources of energy in North America, but the fabled petroleum resource may have trouble finding a

Re: [Biofuel] Oil sands hit major 'hurdle' in California - Globe and Mail - 2007.01.11

2007-01-11 Thread Zeke Yewdall
So, does this mean that they will accurately account for the greenhouse gas emissions of ethanol and biodiesel as well? Since they refer to low carbon ethanol, it seems not. Or they plan to have alternative sources for ethanol available by that time. Z On 3/11/07, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Oil sands hit major 'hurdle' in California - Globe andMail - 2007.01.11

2007-01-11 Thread Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)
So - Kalifornia will just keep importing. Only 1 of 50 states. M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darryl McMahon Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:16 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Oil sands hit major 'hurdle' in

[Biofuel] HIV is not a natural event

2007-01-11 Thread D. Mindock
It is amazing that this site is up running. Probably not for long. Download anything that interests you before it is too late to do so. http://www.boydgraves.com/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum

2007-01-11 Thread Wes Moore
Kirk wrote: A machine that actually worked without input of heat or mechanical; or electrical work, or produced more work than was input would be an over unity machine. Underline emphasis by me The operation of a heat pump utilizes liquid phase change. The systems on the market

Re: [Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel

2007-01-11 Thread Jason Katie
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel More biodiesel in the marketplace could help make biodiesel's cost even more competitive

Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum

2007-01-11 Thread Zeke Yewdall
On 1/11/07, Wes Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking the data for a unit similar to mine for an example: 30,000btu McQuay with a typical condition 50F entering water temp @ 6.1GPM with return air temp @ 70, requires 2.383 KW to operate the pump. This is 8,221 BTU's input. . The output

[Biofuel] Drudge Report??

2007-01-11 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
Trying 2 times .. both time came up .. Not Available .. is there something going on I should know about?? Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt, distributor Psionic Energy Software http://miracle6bizland.com/softwaresolutions/ Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART:

[Biofuel] This Week on NOW: A Home Grown Biofuel

2007-01-11 Thread doug swanson
For those who can pick up a PBS station, NOW is covering Willie Nelson's biodiesel. it's available for streaming after it has aired. http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/302/index.html quoted NOW Newsletter Friday, January 12, 2007 on PBS (Check local listings at http://www.pbs.org/now/sched.html)

Re: [Biofuel] Threats of Peak Oil to the Global Food Supply

2007-01-11 Thread doug swanson
I get that movie out occasionally, check it out again. one of the few that I'll watch again from time to time. Like Powder, or The Green Mile for different, and yet related reasons... doug swanson Jason Katie wrote: anyone see that old movie waterworld ? i kind of like the idea of that

Re: [Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel

2007-01-11 Thread Kurt Nolte
Jason Katie wrote: BD a dollar more than DD? what a crock. if we can do it in our collective garage for less than a dollar a gallon why cant they do it in a huge super-specialized facility for even less? man, these corporate types are dumber than i thought...and i figured they were they

[Biofuel] Free Trade Agreements Include Free Toxic Waste Sites

2007-01-11 Thread Frank Navarrete
From the Basel Action Network http://www.ban.org/ban_news/2006/061208_south_korea.html South Korea Breaks Rank with anti-Basel Ban Block Environmental Groups Laud Move, Critical of Japan and US Toxic Trade Policy Joint Press Release from BAN, Greenpeace, and GAIA 7 December 2006 (Manila,

Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum

2007-01-11 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Huh? Did you actually read what I wrote? On 1/11/07, Wes Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes and this is why what does not work in theory sometimes works in practice Wes *On Behalf Of *Zeke Yewdall *Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:25 PM On 1/11/07, *Wes Moore* [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum

2007-01-11 Thread Jason Katie
it's just another lever... using one kind of energy to move macinery to move another kind of energy, where's the confusion in that? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January

Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum

2007-01-11 Thread Wes Moore
Yes and this is why what does not work in theory sometimes works in practice Wes On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:25 PM On 1/11/07, Wes Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking the data for a unit similar to mine for an example: 30,000btu McQuay with a

Re: [Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel

2007-01-11 Thread Jason Katie
ok, i can see your point, but i have to contend the fact that WE spend a world more time and labor on collection, feedstock can be had for pennies (if anything at all), RD can be written off as an investment, safety inspections are only yearly, the admin overhead can be easily reduced by not

Re: [Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel

2007-01-11 Thread Luke Hansen
It's interesting that in this thread so far nobody has brought up Thermal Depolymerization...that's a pretty cool technology that's in its infancy, but has potential. There's a plant in the bible belt somewhere that's been using butterball turkey offal as a base material...

Re: [Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel

2007-01-11 Thread robert and benita rabello
Luke Hansen wrote: It's interesting that in this thread so far nobody has brought up Thermal Depolymerization... Oh, that's been discussed (and disgust!) here before! Check the archives, Luke. that's a pretty cool technology that's in its infancy, but has potential. There's a plant in

[Biofuel] Correspondance with the White House

2007-01-11 Thread robert and benita rabello
This put a wry smile on my face . . . I composed an e-mail to the White House after listening to Mr. Bush outline his tired old strategy for dealing with the tar baby he's created in Iraq. It was uniformly critical, as has been every e-mail I've sent to the White House since Mr. Bush took