Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oilexecutive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20

2007-02-27 Thread Doug Younker
My guess is, a want to be President, wouldn't select an ineligible running mate. In the event he where to do so and was elected and died, the VP would have to step aside for the Speaker of the House At this time there are two persons in the presidential line of succession who appear to be

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Fake Drug, Fake Illness People believe it!

2007-02-27 Thread Doug Younker
Havidol cute, but I doubt most people see have it all, until after they learn it's a hoax. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change

2007-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
Why are you all trying to get poor Robert killed? If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize -- very publicly and very sincerely -- to all the widows and the orphans, the impoverished and the tortured,

[Biofuel] WHO Board Urged to Act on Worrying Smallpox Research Trends

2007-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
Why is the US refusing to consider fixing a destruction date for the remaining stocks of the smallpox virus? This'll help you sleep peacefully at night: Firstly, Sandia National Laboratories, part of the US Department of Energy, has initiated experiments with variola virus genes engineered

[Biofuel] Clever notion - I wonder if this woujld work viz. grid intertie? Zeke?

2007-02-27 Thread Mike Weaver
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 04:29, John Bertl wrote: Here we have formed a group that is building a gasifier to power a genset mounted on a trailer. The trailer will be moved from house to house where it will build up several months of credits at each location. Everyone's electric bill will

Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20

2007-02-27 Thread Mike Weaver
Not quite true, deep, deep inside all those ugly gray buildings are the 30% of gov't employees who do care and actually do 90% of the work. the final 10% is done by the other 70%. Been there, done that. A. Lawrence wrote: Only one problem with the statement below... Government and Work don't

[Biofuel] Simple Negative Ion Generator Schematics

2007-02-27 Thread AltEnergyNetwork
Simple Negative Ion Generator Schematics http://www.alternate-energy.net/neg_ion_gen05.html Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next_Generation_Grid

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Fake Drug, Fake Illness People believe it!

2007-02-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Well, my opinion is that most pharmaceuticals are a haox, in that they purport to solve some complex socio-physiological problem with nothing more than a little pill - no changes in lifestyle, activity, diet, social interactions, etc, required. Z On 2/27/07, Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] Clever notion - I wonder if this woujld work viz. grid intertie? Zeke?

2007-02-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Well generally net metering, when available, is only required for renewable sources -- and sometimes only solar, not even wind or microhydro. It would depend on whether they defined a gassifier as renewable. Seems like it could be. However, the power generation profile isn't as useful as

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Fake Drug, Fake Illness People believe it!

2007-02-27 Thread Fred Oliff
and in most cases those same problems can be solved with nothing more than making those changes, lifestyle, activity, diet. better living NOT with chemistry. give me the placebo. From:"Zeke Yewdall" [EMAIL

[Biofuel] Diesel drag racing

2007-02-27 Thread Dawie Coetzee
I don't know if this has been posted before: http://www.cumminsracing.com/ -D ___ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail.

Re: [Biofuel] Clever notion - I wonder if this woujld work viz. grid intertie? Zeke?

2007-02-27 Thread Chip Mefford
Mike Weaver wrote: On Tuesday 27 February 2007 04:29, John Bertl wrote: Here we have formed a group that is building a gasifier to power a genset mounted on a trailer. The trailer will be moved from house to house where it will build up several months of credits at each location.

Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20

2007-02-27 Thread A. Lawrence
My apologies Mike, I do indeed remember that there was a time when one government employee actually did their job - and did it very well... I was looking for some information, and of all the many contacts that I made, one stood out as above and beyond... the others just offered standard lip

Re: [Biofuel] Recent Moore Correspondence

2007-02-27 Thread MK DuPree
Thank you, Keith. What I'm going through is not very encouraging for other folks who might want to write their representatives, but I hope somehow folks will persist anyway, while they still have a choice to do so. I also want to extend my help to anyone in the U.S. who understands the real

Re: [Biofuel] Truth or Propaganda?

2007-02-27 Thread Chip Mefford
Keith Addison wrote: Hello Robert Keith Addison wrote: Hello Robert Really excellent stuff snipped, I just wanted to make an apparently obvious observation that I've come to over my short half-a-century; There is no us and them, There is only us, and we're all we have, quod erat

Re: [Biofuel] LED light bulbs

2007-02-27 Thread Chip Mefford
Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.ccrane.com/lights/led-light-bulbs/index.aspx Some nifty lights. Dont think I agree with the economic analysis near bottom of page though. Kirk Do you actually *have* any of ccrane's led lightbulb replacements? I purchased a couple dozen led

Re: [Biofuel] Global warming: enough to make you sick

2007-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Zeke The but we did not expect this to happen so soon argument could be reworded as I thought that I could avoid dealing with this problem I've caused, and didn't really care that my children and grandchildren would be screwed Not a very strong argument, it seems to me. No, but that

[Biofuel] Global Warming: The Quick Fix Is In

2007-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4006 Foreign Policy In Focus | Global Warming: The Quick Fix Is In Pat Mooney | February 20, 2007 Editor: John Feffer, IRC Foreign Policy In Focus www.fpif.org Hopes for the Kyoto Protocol are fading, and carbon trading is a farce. To arrest climate change,

[Biofuel] The Inconvenient Truth, Part II

2007-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4014 Foreign Policy In Focus | The Inconvenient Truth, Part II Tom Athanasiou | February 21, 2007 Editor: John Feffer, IRC Foreign Policy In Focus www.fpif.org You've probably seen the movie; you've certainly heard about it. So you already know the first part of

Re: [Biofuel] Recent Moore Correspondence

2007-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
Thank you, Keith. What I'm going through is not very encouraging for other folks who might want to write their representatives, Not very surprising - if it were more encouraging, like if they gave half a damn, maybe things wouldn't have got this far in the first place. but I hope somehow

Re: [Biofuel] Harsh laws?

2007-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
Oh, so that's okay then. On the other hand... http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4022 Foreign Policy In Focus | Migrants: Globalization's Junk Mail? Laura Carlsen | February 23, 2007 Editor: John Feffer, IRC Foreign Policy In Focus www.fpif.org The titles that Immigrations and Customs Enforcement

Re: [Biofuel] Global warming: enough to make you sick

2007-02-27 Thread Chip Mefford
Keith Addison wrote: Hi Zeke The but we did not expect this to happen so soon argument could be reworded as I thought that I could avoid dealing with this problem I've caused, and didn't really care that my children and grandchildren would be screwed Not a very strong argument, it

Re: [Biofuel] LED light bulbs

2007-02-27 Thread Paul S Cantrell
On 2/24/07, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ccrane.com/lights/led-light-bulbs/index.aspx Some nifty lights. Dont think I agree with the economic analysis near bottom of page though. Kirk I agree. It's a bit disingenuous to compare to incandescents, when CFL's are their

Re: [Biofuel] Pasteurised raw milk?

2007-02-27 Thread George Page
Not ours! We sell whole, raw milk direct from our Farm on Vashon Island (WA-USA), as well as at local Seattle Farmer's markets and also at a couple of Seattle area grocery stores. We're lucky to have favorable laws here in WA state. What's up with Europe though? I'm in Spain right now, and the

[Biofuel] Chemical Risks to Workers

2007-02-27 Thread Kirk McLoren
Chemical Risks to Workers Do you realize the implications from this dangerous, and morally depraved act ??? POTENTIAL IMPACT OF INDUSTRY LITIGATION ON COMMUNICATING CHEMICAL RISKS TO WORKERS The American Society of Safety Engineers (ASSE) has expressed concern over the recent lawsuit

[Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Kirk McLoren
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth': While telling the rest of us to cut back, he uses 20 times more energy to run his house than everyone else… http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_worldid=5072659 Heated pools…

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Kirk and all, When the message cannot be attacked then attack the messenger. Ok, so Gore doesn´t walk the talk. How many of us do? We try to, but there is a long way to go for most everyone in the developed world. It´s the message that´s inportant, not the man. Tom Irwin From:Kirk McLoren

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Kirk McLoren
The message is - It isnt really that important. If it were I would do it. So how true is it - at least to him. If it doent motivate him maybe he knows something we dont. So of all people to squander energy it shouldnt be him. You might want to look into Cripple Creek Coal which he is

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Chip Mefford
Kirk McLoren wrote: st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth': While telling the rest of us to cut back, he uses 20 times more energy to run his house than everyone else…

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Fred Oliff
Al Gore flew from Montreal to Toronto last week. I would have thought a true advocate for climate change could have found someone with 1)maybe a Smart car to drive him, 2)powered with biodiesel or some other renewable fuel. David Suzuki is on a 50-city cross Canada tour and I understand he is

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Terry Dyck
Hi Kirk, When a do gooder becomes as famous as Al Gore there are always going to be people who will point out weeknesses that he may have. On the other hand I am looking at the good that Al Gore has done at educating the public about Global Warming. The Live Earth concert that Al Gore is

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Fred Oliff
Tom, I like your answer better. From: "Tom Irwin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power UseDate: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:40:38 + Hi Kirk and all, When the message cannot be attacked

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Terry Dyck
Hi Fre, I attended Dr. David Suzuki's event in Kelowna 2 days ago and he mentioned that he travels with his family to the Okanagan every summer to pick cherries and I know that Dr. Suzuki was the first person in Canada to buy a Prius Hybrid car. So he probally uses the hybrid to travel to

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Fred Oliff
actually to me both are important. I think one of the worst things one can be called is a hypocrite. if Al Gore's squanders energy perhaps they ought to find someone esle to be the spokesperson for the Earth. From:Kirk McLoren [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Terry Dyck
Hi Kirk, If all of us did what we should be doing our houses would be one room heated with Geo Thermal, hot water and electricity by solar and we would walk or bike almost everywere and we would be totally Vegan. The Union of Concerned Scientists reports that because of the amount of

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Terry Dyck
Hi Chip, Want to here about hypocrits; here in Canada, were reducing green house gases is the top political priority, some political parties are accepting campaign funds from Oil Companies and telling Canadians that they want to reduce emmissions. Terry Dyck From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Terry Dyck
Hi Fred, Okay, maybe you or I could be that person but it wouldn't work because we don't have the high profile or the credentials and in my case , not knowing your income, the money to do what Al Gore is doing. So let Al Gore do that job and eventually he will see that he needs to cut down

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Chip Mefford
Fred Oliff wrote: actually to me both are important. I think one of the worst things one can be called is a hypocrite. Then you might want to do a bit of reading. The knee jerk reaction is to recommend Jeremy Lott's In Defense of Hypocrisy but that's a cheap shot. There's a paper out

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Randall
Terry, Why can't Al do video conferences instead of traveling, or is he simply too important not to make personal appearances? Bet there are more than a few people that traveled more than 20 minutes just to see/hear him speak. What did that extra travelling by the audience, staff, promoters,

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread swracz
Everyone seems to have missed that, based on the numbers given, Al Gore has reduced his power usage by 12% from 2005 to 2006 and has plans for more reductions. Isn't that what it's all about? The fact that his bill has gone up is probably a function of the increased price of energy, not

Re: [Biofuel] LED light bulbs

2007-02-27 Thread Joe Street
Are these LED lights able to work with a dimmer? The last place in my house that doesn't have CF bulbs is a room which has five pot lights which are connected to a dimmer. CF bulbs can't be used on a dimmer so I hope these LED lights are an alternative. Anyone tried it? Joe Paul S

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Kirk McLoren
If he used the power in his business ok but natural gas lanterns in his yard Those are decorative - if you want light you dont burn a torch. So if he wont curb personal indulgance he doesnt believe what he espouses for the rest of us.. Forget weak flesh - how about belief. He doesnt

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Kirk McLoren
Weakness? gas lamps in the yard are not an indulgance in driving a bit too fast or fogetting to turn off the light in the kitchen. If you dont see anything wrong with that then I suppose you would accept Bush as a spokesman for civil liberty and honesty in politics. Kirk Terry Dyck

[Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconveniant Truth'

2007-02-27 Thread Fritz Friesinger
Hi Terry, The main issue is that both Al Gore and Dr. Suzuki are influencing alot of people which is the most important thing now. Time is important because 2007 could be the pivitol year to save this planet. David Suzuki wrote in his Book : towards the year 2040 ,the pivitol year to save

Re: [Biofuel] LED light bulbs

2007-02-27 Thread Paul S Cantrell
Joe, I did test out a LED exit light in our dining room light fixture with a dimmer, but they didn't dim. It was just on at a certain point and stayed on. Maybe there are ones designed to dim??? Like dimmable CFL's? On 2/27/07, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are these LED lights able

Re: [Biofuel] Torture Is Finally on Trial

2007-02-27 Thread Guag Meister
Hi Keith ; This is scary stuff. And how long do the feds think it will take the other guys to figure these techniques out and start using them on us?? Best Regards, Peter G. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.alternet.org/rights/48489/ Torture Is Finally on Trial By

[Biofuel] vanishing honey bees

2007-02-27 Thread Kirk McLoren
++ | Vanishing Honeybees Will Affect Future Crops | | from the bee-gone dept. | | posted by kdawson on Tuesday February 27, @14:07 (Bug) | |

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Terry Hi Kirk, If all of us did what we should be doing our houses would be one room heated with Geo Thermal, hot water and electricity by solar and we would walk or bike almost everywere This: and we would be totally Vegan. ... is nonsense, as we've established quite thoroughly many

Re: [Biofuel] Truth or Propaganda?

2007-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Chip Keith Addison wrote: Hello Robert Keith Addison wrote: Hello Robert Really excellent stuff snipped, Thankyou, for my part, glad you think so. I just wanted to make an apparently obvious observation that I've come to over my short half-a-century; There is no us and them,

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Randall Terry, Why can't Al do video conferences instead of traveling, or is he simply too important not to make personal appearances? Bet there are more than a few people that traveled more than 20 minutes just to see/hear him speak. What did that extra travelling by the audience,

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Fred actually to me both are important. I think one of the worst things one can be called is a hypocrite. Sticks and stones, and plenty of folks with their own agendas to throw stones if there's aught to be gained from it. Both sides of such accusations need checking for hipocrisy. if Al

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

2007-02-27 Thread Keith Addison
:-) Spin sure works well huh? See how easy it is to distract and redirect attention from what matters to what doesn't. And how nobody thinks to apply the same thinking to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research, for instance, or to see how well the epithets they throw at Gore might apply to