Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread D. Mindock
Also the Hunzas practice yoga, at least they used to. I wonder how they're doing these days as the ways of the western world spread everywhere. The way of life of the Hunzas and other long lived peoples show us a healthier way to live. I don't think we need to abandon technology, but we need to

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread D. Mindock
Hi Mike, I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the Harvard study would actually be better off. Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic. Also,

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread bob allen
D. Mindock wrote: Hi Mike, I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful to the body. Can you explain how this happens? So those drinking less of the bad milk in the Harvard study would actually be better off.

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread bob allen
D. Mindock wrote: Hi Mike, I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the Harvard study would actually be better off. Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread Mike Weaver
Actually, I hate milk and am very allergic to it. I like cheese but rarely eat it. In Europe I prefer raw sheep's milk. I read anecdotally that that both raw (grass-fed) milk and beef are much better than cooked. I don't eat much meat at all. I sometimes buy sushi grade tuna and eat it raw to

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread bob allen
In Montreal this summer I tried steak tartar, as it was on the menu in several resturants. It was served as a little volcano of ground beef, with a raw egg in the cone. Mike Weaver wrote: Actually, I hate milk and am very allergic to it. I like cheese but rarely eat it. In Europe I

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread Mike Weaver
I grew up eating it - with raw egg and onion - I only eat grass-fed beef if any. bob allen wrote: In Montreal this summer I tried steak tartar, as it was on the menu in several resturants. It was served as a little volcano of ground beef, with a raw egg in the cone. Mike Weaver wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-17 Thread Terry Dyck
HI Bob, The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease, Diabetes, Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world. On the other hand there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains called Hunzaland that is an almost disease free area. A pure organic food diet

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-17 Thread bob allen
Howdy Terry, Terry Dyck wrote: HI Bob, The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease, Diabetes, Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world. oh really, and your source for these facts is? are the data age adjusted, etc. and just what other ailments are included.

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-17 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Bob Nutrition and Health, by Sir Robert McCarrison -- McCarrison's Cantor Lectures, to the Royal Society of Arts in 1936, Faber and Faber, London, 1953. After joining the Indian Medical Service in 1901 Robert McCarrison spent his early years in the Northern Frontier region investigating

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept. Caveat: No proof other than what I've read over the years. It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are in large part due to environment/lifestyle. In the third world, disease is far more likely to be as a result of

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-17 Thread JAMES PHELPS
Mike, Keith, Amen. Ps. We all form opinions based on our experiences. These often lead to folly but just as often they can steer us in a good direction as well. One of the reasons we have so little hard evidence on many of these matters is there are only a few studies on health and nutrition

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-15 Thread Michael Friebel
Health care today is industrialized medicine, driven by profit focused on treating the symptom rather preventing the disease. It is up to the individual to apply skepticism to the claims of this industry to protect both health pocketbook. We must take full responsibility for our health if

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-15 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Mike Health care today is industrialized medicine, driven by profit focused on treating the symptom rather preventing the disease. It is up to the individual to apply skepticism to the claims of this industry to protect both health pocketbook. We must take full responsibility for

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-15 Thread bob allen
Keith Addison wrote: The main edifice of conventional allopathic (cure-the-symptom) so-called Western medicine, ie industrialised medicine, is all the hospitals. interesting term allopath, none of which as far as I am aware use the term. It was coined by Hahnemann, the founder of the

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-15 Thread bob allen
Terry Dyck wrote: Hi Bob, This is a tough call; do I believe your website, which I know nothing about or do I consider the website to be similar to some rumors you needn't trust any web site. Federal convictions are a matter of public record. as are fines and fda cease and desist

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-14 Thread D. Mindock
Bob, Your negativity is showing wrt alt medicine. You imply that once one is convicted of anything, then they're incapable of speaking the truth on anything. I am more forgiving, having realized my own numerous faults. There are many studies on alt therapies and they have been shown to be

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-14 Thread bob allen
D. Mindock wrote: Bob, Your negativity is showing wrt alt medicine. You imply that once one is convicted of anything, then they're incapable of speaking the truth on anything. the problem is that he appears to still be offering up less than the truth. see for example

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-14 Thread Keith Addison
The main edifice of conventional allopathic (cure-the-symptom) so-called Western medicine, ie industrialised medicine, is all the hospitals. Occupying very many of those hospital beds are patients suffering from iatrogenic illnesses, that is sickness caused by medical treatment (225,000

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-14 Thread econogics
I don't think conventional western medicine has all the answers, anymore than I think the alternatives do. Like Bob, I like to see unbiased evidence of efficacy before putting my faith into things that will affect my health directly. I am very suspicious of the western medical-industrial

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-14 Thread Terry Dyck
Hi Bob, This is a tough call; do I believe your website, which I know nothing about or do I consider the website to be similar to some rumors started by people who thought that the famous environmentalist, Dr. David Suzuki, was too dangerous for the commercial world. The rumors about Suzuki,

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-13 Thread D. Mindock
I saw Kevin on TV two months ago, so his ban must have expired. I got his last two books. They do seem to written in haste. But I don't doubt the things he says. I have seen too many people, friends and family, die from drugs. Myself, I don't want to take a chance with drugs, and as long as alt

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-13 Thread bob allen
D. Mindock wrote: I saw Kevin on TV two months ago, so his ban must have expired. no, the ban was for selling any kind of health care product, now he only sells books about health care products. I got his last two books. They do seem to written in haste. But I don't doubt the things he

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-11 Thread Terry Dyck
Hi Bob, The book titled Natural Cures they don't want you to know about, by Kevin Trudeau explains examples of what really goes on in our commercial world. Kevin was a CEO of a huge Pharmactical corporation and did a lot of corrupt work to please the share holders of his company. He was

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-11 Thread bob allen
Terry, are you aware that the FTC has banned him from infomercials due to many many false statements? If you have ever seen any infomercials, you should know that the standard of acceptability very, very low. Well, Trudeau went below that. Or that he has spent time in prison for felony

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-11 Thread Terry Dyck
Hi Bob, Kevin Trudeau went to prison because he was caught doing corrupt work for Pharmacitical corporations. That info is in his book. Terry Dyck From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel]

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-11 Thread bob allen
no, Terry, you need to look outside the book he went to prison for larceny- he stole money from people. The only big company he has headed was is own larcenous enterprises. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0826051trudeau1.html he was 28 when he copped an April 1991 plea to two counts

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-10 Thread Terry Dyck
Because my name was mentioned in this thread I would like to join Joe and D. Mindock in stating that I to believe in science. There is good science and bad science. When it comes to the western world and health money seems to be a huge factor and prevention of disease does not get as much

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-10 Thread bob allen
That last one from me was dashed off a little too hastily. Here is what I should have sent: Howdy Terry, Terry Dyck wrote: Because my name was mentioned in this thread I would like to join Joe and D. Mindock in stating that I to believe in science. There is good science and bad science.

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-08 Thread Thomas Kelly
Good Day to All, Gustl wrote: And again, mystical experience can be verified if one has enough interest to take the time (and it is a long process) to investigate. In August of 1973 I was standing atop a Mountain at an elevation of about 14,000ft. I saw the plains stretching

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-07 Thread Michael Friebel
Hi Mary; I've found curiosity in many things and have always enjoyed the wondering process my mind can take. Curiosity, wonderment, imagination are some of the most wonderful things that we experience, being not only productive but probably essential, and really add something of great beauty to

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-07 Thread MK DuPree
Gustl...I'm not the "Michael" to whom you have addressed your words, but that doesn't matter. Your words ring true...true...with me nonetheless. Thank you. To "Michael" and "Bob" and whomever has decided to be strictly "scientific"in the sense thatthe "scientific"might exclude the

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread MK DuPree
Love your sense of humor D, ie Bob's love of data etc at times being awe inspiring. But Bob might consider your comments awful. It's 4am as I write this, and I'm awfully tired. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent:

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
I've found curiosity in many things and have always enjoyed the wondering process my mind can take. Anyone who has ever lived with a pet perhaps has wondered why the animal is always waiting at the door when they have returned home. There have been many varying answers down to and including

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-06 Thread Thomas Kelly
Marylynn, A friend recently told me of a book dealing with the very thing you are speaking about; he referred to morphic fields. The reason the book came up is because we were talking about my dog. I have a dog that gets very agitated several minutes before a particular person even