Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-12-26 Thread Keith Addison
That's cool! I mean the ethyl alcohol bit...I'm quite keen on distilling my own fuel as well. I've started a reflux still, but haven't gotten it finished (I don't have any tools to braze ferrous metals - steel, to non-ferrous metals - copper). But it's always encouraging to read of other folks

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-12-26 Thread Arttu Aula
Still in need of practical experience. My dad threw out an old lawn mower i was going to experiment on, but i'll find something, just need to find the time and effort. The trimmer for one, adjustable carb and all. Changing or drilling jets is easy, it should work that way, make fine adjustments

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-12-25 Thread Arttu Aula
Methyl ethyl ketone is at least the solvent of choice in the aviation industry. The general rule of thumb in those circles being that everything's more toxic than in the automotive department: leaded AvGas, high sulfur jet fuel(not to mention the additives they throw in), hydraulic fluid which

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-12-25 Thread Luke Hansen
That's cool! I mean the ethyl alcohol bit...I'm quite keen on distilling my own fuel as well. I've started a reflux still, but haven't gotten it finished (I don't have any tools to braze ferrous metals - steel, to non-ferrous metals - copper). But it's always encouraging to read of other folks

[Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-11-28 Thread Thomas Kelly
Hello All, I've read that people using ethanol, blend in 15 - 20% gasoline to improve cold weather starts. What would one do if they were running on 85 - 90% ethanol : 10 -15% water to improve cold weather starts? Do flex fuel cars have options for block heaters?

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-11-28 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I don't think that adding water would be the right way to go. I think the problem is that ethanol has a higher vapor pressure than gasoline, and in cold weather, it is hard to get it to vaporize into a fuel-air mixture effectively. Gasoline vaporizes much easier, and gets the engine going and

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-11-28 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I think I may have misread your questions. It seems you are asking what to do if you already have the water in there, from homebrew Ethanol? Hm. Perhaps a dual tank setup like we use for SVO in diesels. A block heater would probably help, but then you are using alot of electricity --

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-11-28 Thread Jason Katie
i hear toyota and honda have 4cyls that are easily adapted to Flexing. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-11-28 Thread bob allen
Zeke you have vapor pressure backwards. Lower vapor pressure means less volatile. The boiling point of a liquid is defined as that temperature when the vapor pressure equals atmospheric pressure (760 mm Hg at sea level) Zeke Yewdall wrote: I don't think that adding water would be the right

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-11-28 Thread Thomas Kelly
] Ethanol and cold starts I think I may have misread your questions. It seems you are asking what to do if you already have the water in there, from homebrew Ethanol? Hm. Perhaps a dual tank setup like we use for SVO in diesels. A block heater would probably help, but then you are using

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-11-28 Thread Thomas Kelly
? Tom - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts Zeke you have vapor pressure backwards. Lower vapor pressure means less

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-11-28 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Oops. You are right. But my reasoning was right, if you reverse what i said about vapor pressure. Hmmm, methyl ethyle ketone as I recall that stuff is pretty hazardous, but perhaps no more so than unleaded gasoline. Z On 11/28/06, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeke you have vapor

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts

2006-11-28 Thread Jason Katie
@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts Oops. You are right. But my reasoning was right, if you reverse what i said about vapor pressure. Hmmm, methyl ethyle ketone as I recall that stuff is pretty hazardous, but perhaps