Hello Fritz
Hello Keith all,
now a view weeks after my first batch of 40 liters a quick report!
My WVO was after standing in the drum pretty kleen and dry.
My first liter of new oil came out nicely and clear,pased the
methanoltest and the steerwash test.
My test with one liter (titration 2 +3.5
Hello Keith all,
now a view weeks after my first batch of 40 liters a quick report!
My WVO was after standing in the drum pretty kleen and dry.
My first liter of new oil came out nicely and clear,pased the
methanoltest and the steerwash test.
My test with one liter (titration 2 +3.5 ) came out
Hello Keith,
as you suspected,my first 20ltr was'nt fully proceedet,since i skipt
titration for some obvious reasons (hardhaeded old foul)
So after reprocessing 2 liters of that first bad batch the pleasant
surprise: 2 liters of WVO clear and golden passed easy the Methanoltest!
(My first liter
Hi Keith,
i did my first liter of new oil on sunday!
Mixing 4ltr of methyl-alcohol with 70grams of Homeplumber
sewerline-cleaner .there is no indication of what i used on the
container,so i took a chance.The granules a bit pincisch-white-semi
transparent!
Mixed with the liter of new oil,the
Hi Keith all,
after so long time on theorics i'v made my first batch
4 hrs ago and the settling is halfway down in my 23ltr. glassbottle!
My WVO collectet more than two years ago had so nicly separated from the
water it looked almost like fresh oil!
I pushed myself to start after an airing
Hi Fritz
Good luck with it, but I think you've gone wrong right at the start,
in several ways.
Where do I start?
... Start with fresh unused oil, NOT with waste vegetable oil (WVO),
that comes later.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start
What is the titration of the oil? Did
Right, mixed up batch one last night. Unfortunately it was pretty
improvised; One I need to get a better scale (This one only measures
down to the nearest two grams, how screwy is that?), and two I need to
get a dryer place to work.
Pictures! Batch number one was made in an improvised
Tonight I made my first batch of wvo biodiesel. Last night I titrated the oil
the better way (twice). As many times as I had read that, I had looked over
the divide by 4 part and got worried. Titrated out at 12 ml or 3 grams plus
3.5 for 6.5 grams lye/litre. I used a drill and a 5 gal
titrated the oil the better way (twice). As many times as I had
read that, I had looked over the divide by 4 part and got worried.
Titrated out at 12 ml or 3 grams plus 3.5 for 6.5 grams lye/litre.
I used a drill and a 5 gal translucent container to process 15 ltrs.
I allowed it to run
and glycerine on the bottom, providing
everything was mixed properly.
And the rest, such as washing ect is pretty well explained at the link.
Luc
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Go down
You've had some good replies.
Hello biofuels people,
I am about to start making my first batch of biodiesel and I have a
whole bunch of questions.
in much of the literature it says that it is important that your
reacting vessel be sealed to keep the fumes in but the logistics of
how to
I appreciate the advice you have given me. my college chemistry classes
taught me titration, not too difficult and not my reason for selecting
the 2-stage process, after reading both recipes throughly I decided that
there was not much more difficulty in the 2-stage process as long as you
I sent a message 2-3 days ago. Hasn't shown up yet. I'll try again:
Hello fellow biodieselers! I can say that now that I made my first
batch.
It was just a 1 litre batch, here's how I went about it:
- .2 l methanol (99.9%) with 3.5 g gillett lye (100%) shaken in a
jar on and off over a
(Hey Ken - dunno where to start? Neither do I! Neither did he, IMO...)
Hello Leif
I an acquaintance of mine is making ethyl esters in Congo and failed on
his first attempt.
Sorry to be discouraging, but it seems he's not making it, and I
don't think he ever will, not that way - he's started
I an acquaintance of mine is making ethyl esters in Congo and failed on
his first attempt. I think he just used too much NaOH. He has some very
good questions that I thought I'd post here for comments. Enjoy . . .
Questions:
1. We produced soap rather than bio-diesel. Question is why?
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tampaping here
I'm not to far behind you
I'm gathering up my methanol and lye
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As I recall your conc. aq. lye soln. method was found wanting by
someone with extensive knowledge and experience who submitted your results
to a GC test.
Keith I'm not aware of any such GC test. A non-GC
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Paul, I'm afraid I'm inclined to take all your test results with a
grain of salt (not to break the emulsion, LOL!) because of the methods
you use. You use your concentrated aqueous
In a message dated 01/17/2004 4:25:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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Well I made my first blender batch of Biodiesel last night. I am proud to
say that I made a great batch of GLOP
I am not sure what I did wrong. I think maybe the Lye and Methanol did not
get mixed
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Increasing the basic lye amount from 3.5 to 4.5 grams per litre of
oil is not good advice.
snip
And then? Spend a whole lot of time developing super-gentle washing
methods to hide the fact that you're not processing the stuff
Hello Paul
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Increasing the basic lye amount from 3.5 to 4.5 grams per litre of
oil is not good advice.
snip
And then? Spend a whole lot of time developing super-gentle washing
methods to hide the fact that you're not
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Paul, I'm afraid I'm inclined to take all your test results with a
grain of salt (not to break the emulsion, LOL!) because of the
methods you use. You use your concentrated aqueous lye solution as
standard, yes?
snip
Hello Paul
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Paul, I'm afraid I'm inclined to take all your test results with a
grain of salt (not to break the emulsion, LOL!) because of the
methods you use. You use your concentrated aqueous lye solution as
.
Regards,
Paul Gobert.
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Well I made my first blender batch of Biodiesel last night. I am proud to
say that I made a great batch of GLOP
I am
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Subject: [biofuel] First Batch
Well I made my first blender batch of Biodiesel last night. I am proud to
say that I made a great batch of GLOP
I am not sure what I did wrong. I think maybe the Lye and Methanol did
not
get mixed good enough. I used 1 liter of new oil, 200 ml
Well I made my first blender batch of Biodiesel last night. I am proud to
say that I made a great batch of GLOP
I am not sure what I did wrong. I think maybe the Lye and Methanol did not
get mixed good enough. I used 1 liter of new oil, 200 ml of Methanol, and 3.5
grams of lye. What
Thanks all for the advice for the rookies first batch. It went well, got good
separation and the glycerine is staying liquid as predicted with fresh oil. The
oil is cloudy after 24 hours, normal? or will it come out in the wash? (is it
soap?) One more quick question for washing: the site
Hello Kaj
Thanks all for the advice for the rookies first batch. It went well,
got good separation and the glycerine is staying liquid as predicted
with fresh oil. The oil is cloudy after 24 hours, normal? or will it
come out in the wash? (is it soap?) One more quick question for
washing:
Hi Paul, Kaj
Some comments...
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Hi, About to make my first batch. I have read that lye will react with
aluminum. Does this just mean I shouldn't create my lye-methanol mixture in
an aluminum pot, or should I also avoid an aluminum stock
Hi, About to make my first batch. I have read that lye will react with
aluminum. Does this just mean I shouldn't create my lye-methanol mixture in an
aluminum pot, or should I also avoid an aluminum stock pot for the big mix and
the reaction? Also, for simplicity, I am doing my first batch
If at all possible, I need the easiest recipe possible to make biofuels.
or at least the ingredients needed.
thank you for your help.
andrea
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If at all possible, I need the easiest recipe possible to make biofuels.
or at least the ingredients needed.
thank you for your help.
andrea
Hello Andrea
Start here:
Where do I start?
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start
You'll find everything else you need at the same place,
I did my first test batch of wvo biodiesel over the weekend: 3liters vwo,
600ml methanol, lye. reaction temp = 48 - 52 C). Done on a stirrer hot
plate. Although I appear to have formed a layer of glycerine on the bottom
of the flask, it is not congealed, but is still liquid at room
Hello Cliff,
You're doing it right. The glycerol is suppose to be liquid at room temp.
Use a separatory funnel to remove it.
Chris
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Ok, I did my first batch, 10 litres of oil. Followed the directions
and it sepparated like it should, but the glycerin is liquid after 24
hours and there appears to be water droplites between the diesel and
glycerin.
Have I missed something? or is this normal? I have syphoned off the
diesel and
Ok, I did my first batch, 10 litres of oil. Followed the directions
Which directions?
and it sepparated like it should, but the glycerin is liquid after 24
hours and there appears to be water droplites between the diesel and
glycerin.
Have I missed something? or is this normal? I have syphoned
responds. Heavy
emulsification is an indicator of an incomplete reaction and gives cause to
reprocess the remaining fuel.
Todd Swearingen
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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:53 PM
Subject: [biofuel] first batch
Hey guys and gals,
I just bought an 81 diesel rabbit PU. I have owned
rabbits before and I'm a new comer to bio-diesel
production. I used the following process and it
seemed to work fine.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html
However, the glycerine was not that thick and gooey
I made my first batch in the lab today, as follows:
500ml WVO, filtered dried
100ml+25ml methanol
2g NaOH
This was after titrating the WVO to determine it took only .5ml to turn the
ppth indicator bright purple. (it was barely used oil).
So I figured a total of 4g NaOH per litre, or 2g for my
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:31 AM
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Ed,
Very good engines but still a bit on the hungry side. Still must
admit
that when it comes to trucks you
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Could be, I defer to someone who actually has first hand knowledge.
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in these have to be
removed! But it does add lubricidy to the oil!
Ed Service
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depends on his filtration system, but I wouldn't do
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Is it true that synthetic oils like Mobil 1 and Amsoil are actually
Biodiesel based? On my old truck ,a 93 dodge Cummins, I used Mobil Delvac
oil in the crankcase changing
: [biofuel] First Batch
They are synthetics, but I don't believe they are vegetable oil based.
Hi Steve
I was told that they are vegetable-based, basically biodiesel plus
lots of processing, and probably additives. But the oil companies
don't boast about its origins. I wouldn't vouch
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VW engines ;-)
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VW engines
There are a lot of tired Oliver and White and International tractors that
will give those Cummins a fine home.
Scott Nikolai
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Ed,
Very good engines but still a bit on the hungry side. Still must
admit
that when it comes to trucks you americans had it right in a time of
plenty
as regards fuel with your philosphy that cubes is power
OK. That's different then.
Tell me how one sets up a filter for the used oil? Can used oil be dumped
in a gasoline fuel tank?
How long did you say your diesel engine lasted?
Troy
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Of course I had to filter the used oil extremely well and also let it
to. (and they didn't get any used oil additive!)
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OK. That's different then.
Tell me how one sets up a filter for the used oil
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into a gasoline tank? what have you been smoking boy?
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Hello,
Yesterday I completed my first batch of Bio-diesel (only 500Ml) in a
blender. I used new cooking oil (canola). As far as I can tell it went all
right. I do have some questions though. When I read From the fryer to the
fuel tank the author indicated that they never washed
Hi Aidan
Hello,
Yesterday I completed my first batch of Bio-diesel (only
500Ml) in a blender. I used new cooking oil (canola). As far as I
can tell it went all right. I do have some questions though. When
I read From the fryer to the fuel tank the author indicated that
they
Hi Friends,
Is anyone of you using biodiesel in a 24 valve Cummins?
Is it working ok with the electronic controls on that engine?
Ed Service
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Well done - join the practitioners!
Did you take the glycerol off from the biodiesel first, before washing?
If so, the layer between the biodiesel and the water is probably what is
known as trubb - unreacted oil. Try adding a little more methanol in your
next mix.
If the wash water goes milky,
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Have used it in a dodge 3500 Cummins pickup, as well as a ford f350
Navistar. no issues. the electronics shouldn't care. might light up
: [biofuel] First Batch
Is it true that synthetic oils like Mobil 1 and Amsoil are actually
Biodiesel based? On my old truck ,a 93 dodge Cummins, I used Mobil Delvac
oil in the crankcase changing it at 2 km's Then, mixed the old oil I'd
removed from the engine into the fuel (that right!) over
Hi Friends,
Is anyone of you using biodiesel in a 24 valve Cummins?
Is it working ok with the electronic controls on that engine?
Ed Service
Wainwright Alberta
Hi Ed
Try a search for Cummins at the US National Biodiesel Board
database (22 hits, lots of info):
From: Ed Service [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is it true that synthetic oils like Mobil 1 and Amsoil are actually
Biodiesel based? On my old truck ,a 93 dodge Cummins, I used Mobil Delvac
oil in the crankcase changing it at 2 km's Then, mixed the old oil I'd
removed from the engine into the fuel
: [biofuel] First Batch
From: Ed Service [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is it true that synthetic oils like Mobil 1 and Amsoil are actually
Biodiesel based? On my old truck ,a 93 dodge Cummins, I used Mobil Delvac
oil in the crankcase changing it at 2 km's Then, mixed the old oil
I'd
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