Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-04 Thread steve spence
- voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 Steve do you mean 15 inch

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-04 Thread steve spence
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 David: Steve is talking about 15 feet. Its a hose-within-a-hose using insulated radiator hose and copper tubing. Greg Yohn -Original Message- From: David Reid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-04 Thread steve spence
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 Thanks Greg, Thats what I thought he was talking about. The other though more difficult initially would be much better and ensure better combustion. Heat exchangers if made properly

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-04 Thread steve spence
PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 Greg, Havnt followed you here. Are you talking about what Steve has done or what I have suggested with the shotgun heat exchanger. You mentioned a hose within a hose

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-04 Thread steve spence
. -- - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 Greg, Havnt followed you here. Are you talking about what Steve has done or what I have suggested with the shotgun heat

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-03 Thread Keith Addison
Gary and Jos Kimlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Earth Summit 2002 should be interesting if, as I have suggested, some NGO's in developed countries have polarised the Rio Declaration by concentrating on Cleaning the environment without attempting to better distribute wealth and eliminate poverty. I

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-03 Thread David Reid
] Digest Number 472 stay tuned for the pics of the vw jetta that Greg Yohn and I are converting to veggie oil. I designed and built the 15' long heat exchanger yesterday, Greg is designing the heated tank this weekend. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please

RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-03 Thread Greg Yohn
03, 2001 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 stay tuned for the pics of the vw jetta that Greg Yohn and I are converting to veggie oil. I designed and built the 15' long heat exchanger yesterday, Greg is designing the heated tank this weekend. Yahoo! Groups

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-03 Thread David Reid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 David: Steve is talking about 15 feet. Its a hose-within-a-hose using insulated radiator hose and copper tubing. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http

RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-03 Thread Greg Yohn
so easy that I can do it Greg -Original Message- From: David Reid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:16 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 What keeps the copper tube in the centre of the hose or is this spirally

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-03 Thread David Reid
PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 I know it sounds simple, but copper fittings are soldered together and then the copper tubing is soldered in place forcing the coolant out the side T fitting. Its much better than

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-03 Thread Gary and Jos Kimlin
You are right of course, the trick is in knowing what to teach. I'm not convinced that this generation has the mechanism or even the will to address wealth distribution. That mankind will persist I have no real doubt, the issue then becomes the continued existence of species other than the slave

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-03 Thread Keith Addison
Gary and Jos Kimlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right of course, the trick is in knowing what to teach. I'm not convinced that this generation has the mechanism or even the will to address wealth distribution. I'm far from convinced that they don't. That mankind will persist I have no

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-02 Thread Keith Addison
Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: Hanns B. Wetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 Keith, Harry et al, Have been reading this stuff with great

RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-02 Thread Keith Addison
-Original Message- From: Gary and Jos Kimlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2001 4:36 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 Now you have made me think!! Naturally I don't mean to support the global free trade push, rather I snip Biofuel

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-02 Thread David Reid
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 Hanns, The only way you can change things is to get out and do them. If you wait for others you will still

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-02 Thread Gary and Jos Kimlin
Earth Summit 2002 should be interesting if, as I have suggested, some NGO's in developed countries have polarised the Rio Declaration by concentrating on Cleaning the environment without attempting to better distribute wealth and eliminate poverty. I see this as too much like the Feudal system

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-02 Thread steve spence
Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 2:18 AM

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-06-01 Thread David Reid
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 Keith, Harry et al, Have been reading this stuff with great interest. Am wondering if there is some way all of us likeminded people could pool ideas and come up with something practical that just

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-05-31 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Harry I'm not sure how to answer you. I tried, but found I was just repeating myself. I think your QEDs aren't, I see quite a few non-sequiturs instead. As below, just a couple of instances. Further to that, re population growth, you misunderstand the dynamics of poverty and population

RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-05-30 Thread Crabb, David
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 01:34:52 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More on Jerusalem artichokes Hi Harry Thanks for those references Keith, they will be very useful. You're most welcome, I'm glad you can use them. produce enough food

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-05-30 Thread Harmon Seaver
Crabb, David wrote: pardon my logic... but if there currently is enough food around.. and the hungry only go hungry because of distribution issues... Actually what is happening is even more insidious -- just one quick example: U.S. farmers overproduce, say, corn. So corn is shipped to

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-05-30 Thread monteoro
I agree with Harmon. There should be distributed food production and not a centralized production of food for the world. Right now WTO is almost a reality. Excess food from the US(which usually is destroyed rather than sold to maintain the price) can be sold elsewhere at a fraction of the cost

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-05-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Ken One point you're missing here is that it's not the developed countries that feed the rest of the world. The developed countries are the big food importers. From a previous post in this thread: By the way, all the developed countries, and especially the US, are net food importers from

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472- a wealth tax

2001-05-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hi David et al, It is not about distribution patterns of food, it is about distribution patterns of money. In the absence of a proven substitute for a free market economy that can maintain efficient production we have limited options. What we have now is not a free market economy, and the

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472

2001-05-30 Thread Gary and Jos Kimlin
Now you have made me think!! Naturally I don't mean to support the global free trade push, rather I support regulation at the national level, but it is the mechanism of that regulation I am struggling to identify. I like your point about real capitalism as opposed to the corporate way.