I guess you can survive if you like to take pills. I chuckle every time
I see this argument. I have worked very hard to be able to survive
without the handful of pills everyday. The drug companies are one of
the reasons that the doctors do not receive good nutritional
educations. Life
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Greetings,
Not everyone can stay healthy on a vegan diet. Many of us get very sick
when we cut out all meat. Just eating dairy and eggs is not
enough. Besides, I do need the manure from my animals to fix my burnt out
land. If you
,
tamsyn
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Garth Travis
Sent: Thu 3/10/2005 6:49 AM
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Greetings,
Not everyone can stay healthy on a vegan diet. Many
of us get very sick
when
on 3/10/05 3:33 PM, Jones, Raina Tamsyn (UMC-Student) at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I think that the idea that many vegetarians can't stay healthy with a no-meat
diet is somewhat outdated now. Current ideas about health and nutrition are
shifting completely
There is also a huge world of
with Kim - some can, most can't.
Best wishes
Keith
Fascinating discussion!
Best,
tamsyn
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Greetings
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Excellent information about surviving as a vegetarian. I'd just like
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kim Garth Travis
Sent: Thu 3/10/2005 6:49 AM
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Greetings,
Not everyone can stay healthy on a vegan diet. Many of us get very sick
when we cut out all meat. Just
I totally agree that VASTLY less meat can be easily done. There is no need
for a 16 ounce steak. I eat a 6 ounce serving, 5 days a week. 90% of the
meat raised at my place feeds Miss Dusty and Miss Hayley, my two canine
companions.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 07:59 PM 3/10/2005, you wrote:
to feeding
livestock and that statement is left to turn turtle and bake in the hot sun.
Todd Swearingen
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From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms
Look up Amaranth.
The seed has all the amino acids ( in nutritional quantities ), and the
young leaves, can be used raw or cooked.
Greg H.
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Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 05:29
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on 3/9/05 5:42 AM, Kim Garth Travis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, we are not hypocrites, but totally aware of what it takes to get
factory meat to the table..I do not send my animals out to be slaughtered
because I do not like the way the local processor treats the animals. I
, inclusive of honey if adhered to in
the strictest manner.
And then there are airians,.
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From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up
Not everyone can stay healthy on a vegan diet. Many of us get very sick
when we cut out all meat. Just eating dairy and eggs is not
enough. Besides, I do need the manure from my animals to fix my burnt out
land. If you read through the small farms section of JTF, you will find
all kinds
snip
I know I read a
study, I can't remember where that vegetarians have shorter life spans,
on average.
It must not have been this one: :)
After adjusting for smoking, body mass index, and social class, death
rates were lower in non-meat-eaters than in meat eaters for each of the
Not everyone can stay healthy on a vegan diet. Many of us get very
sick when we cut out all meat. Just eating dairy and eggs is not
enough. Besides, I do need the manure from my animals to fix my
burnt out land. If you read through the small farms section of JTF,
you will find all kinds
Kim Garth Travis wrote:
snip
I know I read a
study, I can't remember where that vegetarians have shorter life spans,
on average.
It must not have been this one: :)
After adjusting for smoking, body mass index, and social class, death
rates were lower in non-meat-eaters than in
on 3/8/05 5:30 AM, Kim Garth Travis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, we turn vegetarian in public. Our rule, if I don't
know its name, I am not eating it.
I dunno -- sounds a little hypocritical (tho in general I
like your stuff. I'll think about this longer). Why eat
your friends at
Actually, we are not hypocrites, but totally aware of what it takes to get
factory meat to the table. People who name their animals generally treat
their animals in a reasonable fashion. I am not going into details of how
bad the factory process is this early in the morning, but there are
. Spiritual Travel
The Animal Connection Healing Modalities
http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/
From: Bo Lozoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:46:35 -0500
Please friends, let's realize
, March 07, 2005 7:15 PM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms
Well said.
I work with animals using a variety of alternative approaches so I've
gotten to know lots of them.
I don't call myself an animal lover.
I do find I have great respect for them as individuals.
I sometimes find
Thanks for the support Keith. I am thinking about the 100% grass fed
people, who raise animals strictly by pasture and hay. Many of them also
raise pork this way. It takes about 6 months longer to get the animals to
slaughter weight this way, but it is not bad for the environment and is
farming -- not the discharge of wastes. There is no stretch of the
imagination that can condone the torture, cruelty and insanity of raising
food in that way. Ever been inside one? Please don't even respond to this
e-mail unless you have, or at least have seen truthful film footage of how
i hear you bo, driving by a feed lot makes you thank god hamburger comes in a
skin bag
Bo Lozoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please friends, let's realize the problem with factory farms is factory
farming -- not the discharge of wastes. There is no stretch of the
imagination that can condone
Please friends, let's realize the problem with factory farms is
factory farming -- not the discharge of wastes.
Nope - both are problems, and they're not the only ones. Of course
without the factory farms the waste problem wouldn't exist, but the
waste problem is nonetheless a useful
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:51:56 +0900
Hello Bo
Please friends, let's realize the problem with factory farms is factory
farming -- not the discharge of wastes.
Nope - both are problems, and they're not the only ones. Of course without
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:51:56 +0900
Hello Bo
Please friends, let's realize the problem with factory farms is
factory farming -- not the discharge of wastes.
Nope - both
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 01:24:45 +0900
Hello Bo
Hi Keith,
I apologize for hyperbole in using terms like the least of the problems,
but to be more accurate, my point is still that I have met biofuels folks
who have made enthusiastic
. Glad it's being said somewhere.
Bo
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 01:24:45 +0900
Hello Bo
Hi Keith,
I apologize for hyperbole in using terms like the least
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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:28:31 -0600
Greetings,
But what if your lard or tallow came from the small family farms trying to
survive? Any blanket statement is against improving the farming picture.
Many people
, that's false tolerance and is a problem
of our age.
Bo
From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:28:31 -0600
Greetings,
But what if your lard or tallow came from
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