Re: [Biofuel] new topic to get my name out of here...

2005-09-22 Thread bob allen
hope everyone understands Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: So again the BBC presents information for shock value, without putting it in perspective. Looking at a Boeing 777-200LR the fuel consumption is: Fuel consumption in 800 miles is about 24,000lb of fuel

Re: [Biofuel] new topic to get my name out of here...

2005-09-22 Thread Joe Street
Well that's probably what the chemicals that they are dispersing are supposed to achieve ;-) bob allen wrote: hope everyone understands Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: So again the BBC presents information for shock value, without putting it in perspective. Looking at a

Re: [Biofuel] new topic to get my name out of here...

2005-09-22 Thread Appal Energy
Mark, Your conclusion below is inaccurate. It compares a fully loaded vehicle (airliner) and the extrapolated fuel economy per passenger to the fuel economy of a car with but one passenger. Apples to apples, both vehicles need to be fully loaded when compared. A fully loaded, 301 seat, Boeing

Re: [Biofuel] new topic to get my name out of here...

2005-09-22 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I think it's actually more accurate to compare each vehical in it's most commonly filled state. At least the airplane usually has more than one person in it... whereas most the cars I see here have one person in them most of the time. All the people who I see driving to work each morning, alone,

Re: [Biofuel] new topic to get my name out of here...

2005-09-22 Thread Appal Energy
I think it's actually more accurate to compare each vehical in it's most commonly filled state. Perhaps, to achieve real world passenger mile fuel economy averages, presuming an average occupancy rate per vehicle could be achieved. No doubt someone has done that somewhere. At least you can

Re: [Biofuel] new topic to get my name out of here...

2005-09-22 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Okay, in this case I take your point that with average occupancy rate the jetta is more efficient. But it is also roughtly twice the mpg as the average car in the US. So, I still think that 30 PMPG is more realistic an average for car travel about the same as the efficient airplane. On

Re: [Biofuel] new topic to get my name out of here...

2005-09-22 Thread Appal Energy
Not yet Zeke. If the airline wants to tout it's highest fuel economy vehicle, so can the ground transportation sector. Using you're method you'd be giving an unfair leg up to the airline by accepting their high fuel efficiency model but handicapping ground transport by introducing an average

Re: [Biofuel] new topic to get my name out of here...

2005-09-22 Thread Chris lloyd
Looking at a Boeing 777-200LR the fuel consumption is: Fuel consumption in 800 miles is about 24,000lb of fuel 300Lb/Fuel/Seat/3000 Miles. (Boeing spec) That is 10 miles/pound/seat of fuel Or 68 mile/gallon/seat. Compare that to your average car you don't even get close. About 5% of

Re: [Biofuel] new topic to get my name out of here...

2005-09-22 Thread Zeke Yewdall
So, what is the fuel economy of the average airplanes, instead of the efficient ones? I have no idea how different airplanes compare. Speaking of emissions, what about using biodiesel in airplane engines. I know that quite a few people are excited about the new compression ignition airplane