[Biofuel] Indian farmers oppose Bt brinjal
Hello List members, At last we Indians seem to be finally waking up from Bt Cotton induced stupor. + INDIA: STOP BT BRINJAL!Hundreds of people from all over India have signed a letter asking India's regulatory body, GEAC, to refrain from approving the planned field trials of Bt brinjal (aubergine/eggplant). They ask the following pertinent questions:***Is India starved of brinjal?***Did any citizen/ consumer ever complain of a short supply of brinjal?***Why should anybody consume Bt brinjal when conventional and hybrid brinjal is plentifully available in every season?In addition, Dr Krishan Bir Chaudhary, leader of the farmers' organization, Bharat Krishak Samaj, has written a letter to GEAC questioning its plan to trial Bt brinjal. BKS demands that before releasing Bt brinjal, GEAC:***publishes full details of safety studies***proves it has tightened up biosafety practices since numerous biosafety violations were exposed in existing GM trials***investigates and reports on the reported allergies among workers exposed to Bt, and the deaths in sheep and goats that grazed on Bt cotton.Dr Chaudhary said, "Bt cotton has failed in this country. It hasn't reduced dependence on pesticides. How can they think of introducing Bt brinjal when farmers in Andhra are afraid to take their cattle through Bt cotton crop as they claim it leads to deaths?" A civil society delegation comprising of people from more than ten brinjal-growing states met Dr Anbumani Ramadoss, the minister for health, on 14 June to impress upon him that "India is not a guinea pig for Bt brinjal". The delegation, drawn from a network called Coalition for GM-Free India, consists of representatives from leading farmers' organisations, consumer organisations, organic farming groups, unions, NGOs working on sustainable agriculture, and representatives from the medical fraternity.And more than 500 organic farmers have declared that they will not allow GM food crops in India. The declaration came at a convention organized by the Tamilnadu Organic Agriculturist Federation, India's biggest organic body, formed under the presidency of Sri G Nammalvar, a farmer-scientist.http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=6633http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=6637http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=6639+ BT COTTON - "NO MAJOR FALL IN PESTICIDE CONSUMPTION"India's pesticide industry says it is pretty relaxed about Bt cotton because it is not causing any significant drop in pesticide use. What drop there is has been offset by an increase in herbicide use with Bt cotton, says an article for Iris News Digest. The article says, http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=6628+ TOP OFFICIALS FINED IN INDIA IN BT COTTON CASEThere's been an important development in relation to the Public Interest Litigation (PIL) that's currently before the Nagpur Bench of the Bombay High Court in India. The PIL relates to the plight of the 540 poor cotton farmers in the state of Maharashtra who took their lives during the last cotton-growing season, the vast majority of whom were growers of GM (Bt) cotton.The court has now come down heavily on the state government and its bureaucrats for their negligence and failure to comply with the orders of the court to file a reply to the PIL.The Divisional Bench of the High Court has imposed costs and fines on the chief secretary and twelve other leading state officials to be paid out of their salaries. If they fail to pay the fines, they'll face proceedings for contempt of court.The raft of issues the PIL probes includes:***the role of state officers in promoting Bt cotton which resulted in the failure of [the] crop***the involvement of state officials in inducing poor farmers to cultivate Bt cotton.The PIL also asks for the state to be directed to take appropriate action against the Bt cotton seeds companies to force them to compensate the families of poor farmers who took their lives.http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=6636 Regards balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] DIE MICRO$OFT!!!!
Look at CentOs and Ubuntu also... Michael Redler wrote: Go Jason Go! */Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: i finally cracked to the point where i went to bed angry last night. M$ is really tweaking my tail and ive decided to take on the Hat. Linux FEDORA, here i come!!! Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil
You have asked a very good question, First of all one has to know the length of the fatty acid carbon chain connected to the glyceride of the fat that you are processing (i.e. oleic, lineolaic,palmatic, etc.) Then you ratio the molar weight of the of the fatty acid components to the glycerol. This will give you a molar % of fatty acid to glycerol. Based on this ratio you can calculate the theoretical yield of fatty acid vs. glycerine. More to come. David - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil arent veggie oils like a cocktail of their own? no real specific answers, just an empirical average? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of late. Any one know? Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Eat To Live: FDA sued over biotech foods (great French article on CFS action)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:03:52 EDT Subject: Eat To Live: FDA sued over biotech foods (great French article on CFS action) Eat To Live: FDA sued over biotech foods By Julia Watson United Press International, June 9, 2006 http://www.upi.com/ LE BUGUE, France (UPI) -- It`s been a conversational curiosity, at the very least, among consumers in Europe, Australia, Japan, and parts of Africa, why Americans don`t seem the slightest bit interested in the issue of the genetic engineering of some of their key crops. The nations just mentioned have as little tolerance for biotech foods as legally possible. Now, however, American consumers may have to reflect upon their complacency. This week, the Center for Food Safety filed a lawsuit against the Food and Drug Administration to force the government to establish mandatory reviews of genetically engineered foods and to label them as genetically modified if the foods are approved for consumption. The dramatic action comes after six years of waiting without a response from the FDA to a legal petition it lodged, along with over 50 consumer and environmental groups, demanding that biotech food be more meticulously regulated and labeled. Why would the FDA -- so anxious to protect our health with advisories on food fears from mercury in fish to the pasteurization of young raw milk cheeses -- not want to take a rigorous look on our behalf at industrial science's inalterable tampering with nature? Even the U.S. Department of Agriculture Inspector General has been appalled by the USDA's handling of field tests of genetically engineered plantings. As Eat To Live revealed earlier this year, the inspector general's report condemned the USDA for failing to inspect experimental genetically engineered crops and for not insuring they were destroyed after field tests, to protect surrounding farmland. The prime genetically modified crops grown extensively across the U.S. are corn, soybeans and canola. Europe, pushed by massive consumer unease, has made every effort to resist the entry of genetically engineered crops into its markets. Foods that contain them must be so labeled. Yet Europe has been under intense pressure by the United States through the World Trade Organization to reverse this stand and allow U.S. biotech crops and products in. Even the United Nations Cartagena Protocol of Biosafety authorizes member countries, in the case of scientific uncertainty, to take a precautionary approach to regulating biotech crops. In the United States, no GM labeling is necessary, nor is testing of foods containing biotech crops or by-products compulsory. European consumers -- and many in the science community -- fear that the restructuring of the genetic composition of a crop by introducing foreign genes -- from other species of plant or even animals -- could have an impact on health. They fear so-called 'Frankenfoods' might encourage antibiotic-resistant illnesses, produce new food toxins and generate food allergies. Farmers are attracted by the higher yields and lower investment in pesticides and time that genetically engineered crops offer. Their creators, like Monsanto, promote the philanthropic message that they could be the instrument for the reduction of world hunger and poverty. They assert that rather than abuse the environment, genetically modified crops make it safer. Critics of biotech crops and food say that none of these contentions have been properly tested nor have ecological, health and social questions been stringently addressed. Let's hope there`s enough publicity for the CFS's lawsuit to alert American consumers finally to an issue that has been the concern of much of the rest of the world. This barbecuing season, when timing everything to be on the table as soon as the burgers come off the grill is tricky, you may like this tip from legendary New York Times food writer Craig Claiborne. He contended that the best way to cook (genetically unmodified) sweet corn was to bring to the boil a pot of unsalted water, drop in the shucked corn, slam the lid on, bring it back to the boil then immediately turn off the heat under the pot. Leave the corn in for a minimum of 5 minutes -- and a relaxed maximum of 45. It`s a method that saves corn that isn`t at peak of freshness. Salting the water toughens it. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright 2006 by United Press International ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
Ricin isnt a problem if you compost it immediately and keep your stocks down near zero. if you have a negligible amount of the stuff on hand, keep accurate records of it, and keep it under tight security, noone can really say anything. Pannir Selvam in Brazil was previously talking of a method of using the crushed seeds direct without extracting the oil first, which would break down the ricin in the process. Best Keith Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Addison Griffith To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans I have been reading the posts concerning the casterbean and feel that I must give a little input on the subject as I have had some experience in growing the plant a few years ago. The plant grows into a stalk approximately 5-7' tall with a diameter of approximately 4', it will continue to produce seeds continuely for several months. The seeds grow from bunches with approximately 6-8 seed pods per bunch, with each pod containing 3 seeds encased in a hard shell. As someone else has already pointed out the seeds are very poisonous, even one seed ingested by a child or a small animal can make them very sick. When you extract all of the oil from the seeds, what you have left is one of the most poisonous substances known to man, it is then called ricin, which is very illegal to possess in the US. I would highly suggest that the casterbean be researched very thoroughly before extracting the oil. Mike Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if such an oil producing plant is a good candidate for the urban fuel farmer. More specifically, those who don't have a lot of land and would welcome a crop that climbs. ...just a thought. Mike Jason Katie wrote: i believe the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it was just over a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled ;) Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: lres1 To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if you can help. Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had mine in long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it take for your Castor beans to sprout all up? My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut some of the branches and stuck them in compost and dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings are starting to sprout. Am not sure why but was told that this could not be done. Seems once the beans have sprouted, the clippings seem to grow quicker. 5 days to see the clippings developing new growth. Six days for the Jatropha to sprout from seeds and 17 days to see action or small signs of growth from Jatropha clippings. All good to see up and growing. Need to put more Castor clippings in pots ready for planting out. Doug [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil
Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of late. Any one know? Jim Hello Jim The rule of thumb is 79 millilitres of glycerine for every litre of oil used (7.9%). -- How much glycerine? Why isn't it solid? Make your own biodiesel - page 2: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#howmuchglyc More information here: How much methanol? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html HTH. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil
Yes,both Keith and David are right. Unless you are referring to palm oil, which have an unusual fatty acid composition, the amount of glycerine in most vegetable oils is roughly 10% by mass. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of late. Any one know? Jim Hello Jim The rule of thumb is 79 millilitres of glycerine for every litre of oil used (7.9%). -- How much glycerine? Why isn't it solid? Make your own biodiesel - page 2: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#howmuchglyc More information here: How much methanol? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html HTH. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil
for back of the envelope accuracy, whether fat or oil, to two significant digits one can estimate the molecular wt of the oil to be about 900 (slightly high) and the density is about .9 so the fat/oil contains about one mole per liter, therefore one mole of glycerin is present. The molecular wt is 94 so you would get about 94 grams of glycerin from a liter of fat/oil. The density is about 1 so you would get about 94 ml per liter of oil. chem.dd wrote: You have asked a very good question, First of all one has to know the length of the fatty acid carbon chain connected to the glyceride of the fat that you are processing (i.e. oleic, lineolaic,palmatic, etc.) Then you ratio the molar weight of the of the fatty acid components to the glycerol. This will give you a molar % of fatty acid to glycerol. Based on this ratio you can calculate the theoretical yield of fatty acid vs. glycerine. More to come. David - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil arent veggie oils like a cocktail of their own? no real specific answers, just an empirical average? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of late. Any one know? Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
Hello folks, any organic lawn experts out there? I have been encroaching out 75% of my lawn with food plants for both wildlife and humans, but I still have this 25% and living in town I need to keep it lawn. the question is how does one raise a great lawn without weed killers etc? I have been wondering , can you take compost and grind it really fine and spread it on the lawn water it in? Would this be good? Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil
Thanks Keith, I thank every one for the replys. I wish to start working my way backward as a learning experience and I was wondering if there were big differences - apparently not and this is good info. I found a 150 gallon SS tank and fortune has allowed me a new lab complete with running water. Jim Keith Addison wrote: Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of late. Any one know? Jim Hello Jim The rule of thumb is 79 millilitres of glycerine for every litre of oil used (7.9%). -- How much glycerine? Why isn't it solid? Make your own biodiesel - page 2: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#howmuchglyc More information here: How much methanol? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html HTH. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
