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From: Harry Valentine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: biofuel locomotive Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:47:18 -0500 A background research paper on a railway locomotive concept, which can run on renewable and biofuels, is at: http://www.geocities.com/harryc11 Thank you Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yahoo has had a problem with this for some time now. Go to Yahoo groups and change your email preference to no email. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ click on Edit My Membership top right of page. Down the page to Message Delivery click on No email. Don't send me email, I'll read the messages at the Web site Then click Save Changes This should stop you from receiving email from the group. Now if you can not access the site you will have to rejoin the group. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tee At 09:49 AM 1/8/02 -0500, you wrote: yes it does, and I have done that I do not know how many times for the past 6 months and am still on the mailing list. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good luck, I have been trying to do this for the past 6 months. Uh-huh. Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:34:26 +0900 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fwd: Returned mail: Service unavailable well, copying and pasteing is the best way to get it correct. so maybe it is listed incorrectly. so will try it again Copied and pasted? The address you used was this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The address listed is this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith Addison So tell me, have you tried using the correct unsubscribe address yet? I did send it to you, after finding you'd been trying to use a nonexistent address, and it's listed twice in every message you receive. I don't think unsubbing from a Yahoo group is a matter of good luck, millions of kids do it all the time without problems. The person you're responding to, by the way, has now sent three such unsub messages to the list address (that's nearly 3,000 bits of junk mail), and has received three letters from me telling her how to do it, which she apparently doesn't bother to read. Not a matter of luck. People come and go from this list all the time, and only a very tiny number of them ever have any difficulties. For all the times I've investigated it, on not one single occasion has it ever been because it doesn't work, as they so often claim. It works. Send a message to the unsubscribe address and you'll get unsubscribed, simple as that. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: biofuel locomotive
From: Harry Valentine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: biofuel locomotive Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:47:18 -0500 A background research paper on a railway locomotive concept, which can run on renewable and biofuels, is at: http://www.geocities.com/harryc11 Thank you Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[biofuel] Solid catalyst,
Yes, Dana, there are people interested in finding greener recipes for making biodiesel. They do seem to exist but are generally highly guarded industrial secrets. I got a bit disallusioned by the polluting effect of the basic methanol/lye method as it produces a lot of mirky water in the refining process which is a problem to serious biodiesel producers as the local environment agency (UK) is highly officious and very fond of imposing large fines on businesses that cause pollution. I am currently researching other methods. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In my humble opinion, the process described seems the counterpart to the alchemists recipe for turning lead into gold. A process as described would, as Dana said, revolutionize production. Count me into the subject, though I don´t know what you´re implying with this. Sure, when I find some time, I´ll try to look it up. Any hints regarding a little more detail on the process, or where it came from?... just so as to get started. I was currently trying to do some testing with hydrochloric and ethanol.. but my whole first attempt processor project (traditional NaOH Meth recipe) is currently quite delayed due to the fact that all imported goods have gone up by 40% in the past week (due to the currency problems here in Argentina). Hope to hear more on the subject Regards, Christian - Original Message - From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst, Arne, I have not heard any further info on the process you describe. Of course this type of continuous process biodiesel/glycerin production would REVOLUTIONIZE home production of BD if made available. It would also work well in conjunction with the inexpensive WVO/SVO processing modules I am attempting to design and integrate. As I stated before even a very expensive catalyst module would pay for itself if shared by a group of users to maximize its use either by forming a cooperative around a shared WVO/SVO/biodiesel processor or by shipping the expensive catalyst module from one (otherwise inexpensive) home processor to another. I believe that this deserves more thorough investigation. Unfortunately, as you can see from my recent posts I already have a rather full plate. If there are three or four others that are willing to join forces to dig deeper I am more than willing to contribute to the effort as best I can. alarge oart of my living hinges on gathering intelligence but I can't do it on my own right now. Anyone else interested? Ed?,Keith? Others??? Dana --- Arne P. Ryason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any known progress on the INEEL process which uses a solid catalyst to produce biodiesel and food grade glycerin? Two scientists have developed a continuous process that eliminates the alcohol, base, acid, water wash steps of making biodiesel. Also, it is a continuous process, versus the batch process that is used now. The glycerin byproduct is food grade. Selling it would offset the refining process, making biodiesel competative with petrodiesel. Anyone with more info on this? __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ mensaje enviado desde http://www.iespana.es emails (pop)-paginas web (espacio ilimitado)-agenda-favoritos (bookmarks)-foros -Chat Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
Hi Christian and Everyone, I'm not sure if you folks were in this group last year or not, but if you are interested in using solid catalyst or other methods to make biodiesel, might I suggest that you look in the US Patent office website www.uspto.gov . Just enter biodiesel in the search query box and you should get a wealth of information on the subject, or enter any other keyword that is associated with the subject and you will find many patents with lots of info that will help you with your questions. I mentioned last year and possibly the year before because there was a lot of discussion back then about all of these things. Search a little farther back in the archives of this group and you should find some of these subjects, a lot of research has already been done by members of this group, and it's just sitting there waiting to be accessed. The famed Fox/Ginosaur process using a solid catalyst, (which to this date) hasn't been used commercially, is on Delphion.com. I was lucky enough to download a copy of the Fox/Ginosaur patent from the Delphion website before they started charging a fee to access the International Patents. It is at best vague and very careful to be as vague as possible with all the info in the Patent. The Lockheed Martin Idaho Technologies Company is the company that actually owns the Patent and they don't seem to be rushing into production of biodiesel with the process so that should tell you that the process probably isn't all that good ! The USPTO website has a lot of other more practical info on how to make biodiesel with an alternate method, so give it a look and you may find something that will fit !! US Patent number 4,695,411 is a process to make biodiesel using hydrated ethanol, that is to say using ethanol with water in it. One problem that is always associated with using ethanol is, how obtain ethanol with no water content ! This Patent may not be practical, I don't know, but it may be of some help. You can search for millions of things that will be of help in all areas of any endeavor. Good Hunting, David Cruse - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst, In my humble opinion, the process described seems the counterpart to the alchemists recipe for turning lead into gold. A process as described would, as Dana said, revolutionize production. Count me into the subject, though I don«t know what you«re implying with this. Sure, when I find some time, I«ll try to look it up. Any hints regarding a little more detail on the process, or where it came from?... just so as to get started. I was currently trying to do some testing with hydrochloric and ethanol.. but my whole first attempt processor project (traditional NaOH Meth recipe) is currently quite delayed due to the fact that all imported goods have gone up by 40% in the past week (due to the currency problems here in Argentina). Hope to hear more on the subject Regards, Christian - Original Message - From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst, Arne, I have not heard any further info on the process you describe. Of course this type of continuous process biodiesel/glycerin production would REVOLUTIONIZE home production of BD if made available. It would also work well in conjunction with the inexpensive WVO/SVO processing modules I am attempting to design and integrate. As I stated before even a very expensive catalyst module would pay for itself if shared by a group of users to maximize its use either by forming a cooperative around a shared WVO/SVO/biodiesel processor or by shipping the expensive catalyst module from one (otherwise inexpensive) home processor to another. I believe that this deserves more thorough investigation. Unfortunately, as you can see from my recent posts I already have a rather full plate. If there are three or four others that are willing to join forces to dig deeper I am more than willing to contribute to the effort as best I can. alarge oart of my living hinges on gathering intelligence but I can't do it on my own right now. Anyone else interested? Ed?,Keith? Others??? Dana --- Arne P. Ryason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any known progress on the INEEL process which uses a solid catalyst to produce biodiesel and food grade glycerin? Two scientists have developed a continuous process that eliminates the alcohol, base, acid, water wash steps of making biodiesel. Also, it is a continuous process, versus the batch process that is used now. The glycerin byproduct is food grade. Selling it would offset the refining process, making biodiesel competative with petrodiesel. Anyone with
Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
The Fox-Ginosar process (INEEL) apparently uses a polymer. I posted this to the list a long time ago, I don't know if anyone ever picked it up: A message from Mike Pelly re solid phase catalysts: I have been getting ready to pick up some of that type of catalysts but have not till now. Not sure just what worked. I understand a chemical that is called Dowex works too. (Also need to retrofit my processor to make it happen.) I'm writing to pass along to you an idea I have on using a solid phase catalyst without going through the process of gluing it in place. My plans are to contain it in a tube that has screens with mesh finer than the catalyst at either end. The grease and alcohol is pumped through this in-line (filter-type) device. In simplistic terms it would be like placing the catalysts between two sink faucet screens and plumbing it in-line on a reactor like the one Dale Scroggins built. Also the part with unions at both ends, could be easily removed for easy cleaning, back flushing and recharging of catalyst. David Reid posted this: Points to start and research: (From the Woollatt book but remember published 1985). Bleaching and the treatment of Distillates with ion-exchange resins to upgrade quality : initial bleaching with 0.2-2.0% activated carbon ion-exchange resins from Rohm and Haas instead of or after a.c. [Macrorecticular resins (which have large discrete pores capable of removing relatively large molecular mass compounds from the liquid) are normally best for this duty which demands the removal of organic, rather than ionic, impurities ]. Sound ideal in this instance to me. eg: Amberlite 200 or 200C - strong cation resin . Amberlite IRA-93 - weak base anion resin. Amberlite IRA-900 - strong base anion resin Deodorization, using heat and open steam, under vacuum, following treatment often necessary. Production of refined grades of glycerine without distillation: Ion exclusion: process developed by Dow Chemical Co and reviewed in paper by D'Souza (1979) using a bed of granular resin such as Dowex WX8 allowed partial purification which could then be completed by ion-exchange. Ion-exchange process sounds okay but regeneration using hydrochloric or sulphuric acids for the cation resins and caustic soda for the anion resin dosnt sound really feasible or realistic for a small plant. Would also not be economic I believe. Lever Bros installed a plant in L.A. designed by Illinois Water Treatment Co in 1951 but would seriously doubt this was still in operation. Dosnt sound too promising. Distillation still seems to be the preferred method. Reverse Osmosis also dosnt sound too promising although there could have been developments in the last 15 years. Refs: Sourirajan and Kimura (1967), review Sourirajan and Matsuura (1982). This is also from Mike Pelly: From: Goltz, Bob (HR) To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Base catalyzed esterification Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:28:27 -0400 Mike Pelly...Thanks for your inquiry. Since you are running this reaction as base catalyzed, I think the product you need is DOWEX 1X2 in the OH form. This product comes in several particle sizes... 50-100, 100-200 and 200-400 mesh. I suggest you try the 50-100 mesh as it will give the lowest pressure drop and still offer short diffusional paths. The resin will catalyze this reaction as long as the resin is in the OH form. If the resin picks up chloride or other anions, it will sto working as a catalyst. To restore the DOWEX 1X2 capacity, it can be washed with NaOH as directed in the literature. More information on this product can be found on our web site at http://www.dow.com/liquidseps/pc/jump/nonwater/d_1x2.htm Small samples of the resin can be purchased from Supelco by calling Barb Vogler at 800-359-3041. They can also sell you a cartridge. You will need to dry the resin before you do your testing. These resins will release low levels of amine during drying that smells bad so be sure to use a vented oven. More information on drying resins can be found at http://www.dow.com/liquidseps/pc/special/catalys.htm http://www.dow.com/liquidseps/pc/pt/orgsolv.htm Good luck with your endeavors. H. Robert Goltz, Ph.D. Dow Liquid Separations Phone 989-636-2023 Fax 989-638-9944 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] DOWEX* Resins Specialized Separations Home Page http://www.dow.com/liquidseps/pc/special/index.htm Hope this helps. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups
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From: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_link.html US Department of Energy Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory (INEEL) scientists have developed a new method that produces a higher grade biodiesel with less waste at a lower cost and in much less time. The process, using used French fry oil, is continuous, with no wastewater, producing a cleaner, higher grade of both biodiesel and glycerine. The much higher quality glycerine produced by the new process is valuable -- close to US$10 per gallon. The researchers say sales of the glycerine could pay for the entire process, making the price of biodiesel around the same as regular petrodiesel in the US. http://ens.lycos.com/ens/mar99/1999L-03-11-02.html The researchers' names are Bob Fox and Dan Ginosar. The story was posted nearly three years ago. It's been discussed here several times (see archives). When last heard about they were still negotiating for commercial funding, one can't help wondering why it's taking so long if it's such a promising process. Maybe somebody nearby would like to check with them? They've been friendly and approachable in the past, just won't tell you the secret. Here's another one: A new process developed at the University of Toronto speeds the manufacturing process and reduces both the construction and capital costs of biodiesel production facilities. Production time is reduced from 2-4 hours to seven minutes in a continuous production process. (Email Prof. Dave Boocock [EMAIL PROTECTED]) See: Technology -- New Process Cuts Time, Costs: http://www.biodiesel.org/bio_reports/junbdreport.htm Process now licensed to BIOX for commercial production: http://www.bioxcorp.com/ Also discussed here several times, with some good info posted (see BIOX in archives). Meanwhile, re production revolutions, while the INEEL lead-to-gold process has languished, if indeed that's what it's doing, ENERGIES... week of December 30, 2001 (posted to the list yesterday) reports a 40-fold biodiesel production increase in the US over the last two years - from half a million gallons of B-100 shipped in 1999 to 20 million in 2001. Not bad. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ In my humble opinion, the process described seems the counterpart to the alchemists recipe for turning lead into gold. A process as described would, as Dana said, revolutionize production. Count me into the subject, though I don´t know what you´re implying with this. Sure, when I find some time, I´ll try to look it up. Any hints regarding a little more detail on the process, or where it came from?... just so as to get started. I was currently trying to do some testing with hydrochloric and ethanol.. but my whole first attempt processor project (traditional NaOH Meth recipe) is currently quite delayed due to the fact that all imported goods have gone up by 40% in the past week (due to the currency problems here in Argentina). Hope to hear more on the subject Regards, Christian - Original Message - From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst, Arne, I have not heard any further info on the process you describe. Of course this type of continuous process biodiesel/glycerin production would REVOLUTIONIZE home production of BD if made available. It would also work well in conjunction with the inexpensive WVO/SVO processing modules I am attempting to design and integrate. As I stated before even a very expensive catalyst module would pay for itself if shared by a group of users to maximize its use either by forming a cooperative around a shared WVO/SVO/biodiesel processor or by shipping the expensive catalyst module from one (otherwise inexpensive) home processor to another. I believe that this deserves more thorough investigation. Unfortunately, as you can see from my recent posts I already have a rather full plate. If there are three or four others that are willing to join forces to dig deeper I am more than willing to contribute to the effort as best I can. alarge oart of my living hinges on gathering intelligence but I can't do it on my own right now. Anyone else interested? Ed?,Keith? Others??? Dana --- Arne P. Ryason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any known progress on the INEEL process which uses a solid catalyst to produce biodiesel and food grade glycerin? Two scientists have developed a continuous process that eliminates the alcohol, base, acid, water wash steps of making biodiesel. Also, it is a continuous process, versus the batch process that is used now. The glycerin byproduct is food grade. Selling it would offset the refining process, making biodiesel competative with petrodiesel. Anyone with more info on this? Yahoo!
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goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Dana, there are people interested in finding greener recipes for making biodiesel. They do seem to exist but are generally highly guarded industrial secrets. I got a bit disallusioned by the polluting effect of the basic methanol/lye method as it produces a lot of mirky water in the refining process which is a problem to serious biodiesel producers as the local environment agency (UK) is highly officious and very fond of imposing large fines on businesses that cause pollution. I am currently researching other methods. Sounds like it's your highly officious local UK environment agency you should be getting a bit disillusioned with rather than the polluting effect of the method, which was discussed here a month or two ago and would seem to be more of a molehill than a mountain. Is it really worse than soapy residues etc from dishwasher, laundry detergents, bathwater? Aleks detailed the contents of the waste water (pretty innocuous) and said there's no need to be saintlier than the Pope. Keep 2nd and 3rd wash water for next-batch first wash; dilute first-wash water and offer it to your lawn - try a small patch first, but prolly neither lawn nor moles will mind, might even appreciate it. Nothing you don't find in fertiliser bags. You can find a helluva lot worse in fertiliser bags: 6.2 million pounds of lead compounds, 1.3 million pounds of chromium compounds, 233,000 pounds of cadmium compounds, 212,000 pounds of nickel compounds, 16,000 pounds of mercury compounds and 223 pounds of arsenic compounds (dioxins not measured) supplied in US fertilizer bags in 2000. Plenty of real problems with water pollution in the UK to be concerned about. UK's polluted rivers named - WWF says the relevant government agencies do not have the money to monitor fresh water properly, and are often powerless to act even when they find problems. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1285000/1285883.stm Should add this: Aerosol Pollution Could Drain Earth's Water Cycle, San Diego, California, December 7, 2001 (ENS) -- Pollution may be seriously weakening the Earth's water cycle, reducing rainfall and threatening fresh water supplies. A new study by researchers at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography suggests that tiny particles of soot and other pollutants are having a far greater effect on the planet's hydrological cycle than previously realized, directly affecting fresh water availability and quality. The aerosols are a mixture of sulfates, nitrates, organic particles, fly ash, and mineral dust, formed by fossil fuel combustion and burning of forests and other biomass. http://ens-news.com/ens/dec2001/2001L-12-07-06.html Using biodiesel gives substantial reductions of unburned hydrocarbons (-93%), carbon monoxide (-50%), and particulate matter (-30%), ie soot - NBB. So is using biodiesel rather than dinodiesel helping the water situation more or less than your washwater is polluting it, d'you think? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
Also a Mother Jones article a little while ago citing this - fertilizer being used as a carrier for cheap disposal of toxics. Spread it all over our farmlands in small concentrations instead of paying to have it properly disposed of. (Yikes!) I think it's time to start looking seriously at the role of seedcake pellets that emerge from cold presses as hard pellets, with probably twice the oil content of those from solvent extraction facilities, ready for use as organic fertilizer. All the organic folks that are running diesels in their operations should, as a matter of principle, be integrating these biofuels and biolubricants and organic seedcake pellets ideas into their work. As for the pellets, I tried some on my lawn in the fall, and we are having a bit of a January thaw here right now... well, today I noticed the test patch is nice and green, and starting to actually grow (January in Canada, and my lawn is greeening...gee, d'ya think there might be something to this climate change stuff?), while the rest of the lawn is still a bit brownish and mushy/matted, as it emerges from under the recently (until only a few days ago) melted snow. If I can keep the dog, the birds, and the deer from eating them all off the lawn and gardens in the early spring before they break down after a few rains/waterings, it'll be fine. (Ah, let the animals have some, who cares?). A nice slow release replacement, and a great use for the pellets, while the oil goes for fuel and lubricants and other higher value markets (depending on type pressed). It makes me smile. Especially since I can still remember the taste of nitric or phos. acid, in the air from a nearby fertilizer plant, when we went our for recess in elementary school. I grew up on a farm near a major petrochemical producing region. One of my environmental studies profs. once joked that was why my hair's almost gone on top...I didn't find it all that funny, given the cancer rates and other illnesses in the region, and the fact that my wife was hospitalized for asthma, could've died actually, and one of my kids had allergies big time...until we moved as far away from it as we could go. Just packed up and moved. I had had enough. And the doctors in the ole home area did not say to move, they said that it would probably be just a temporary improvement if anything, and put her on lots of puffers and stuff. Every year bronchitis, coughing for weeks on end. It was terrible. That was six years ago. She has zero problems now. no more puffers, pills, and side effects. My kids have no problems, very healthy. My allergies went away (after years of shots). None of us take medication for these things, and we rarely even get a cold. Meanwhile, relatives in that area, half the kids or more seem to be on puffers for asthma, and the adults always seem to have a cold or the flu. Uh huh. Right. So why am I interested in all this biofuels stuff? Now you know. There are tons of good reasons to stay on it and push for change. Literally tons. They are currently spread on our fields, dumped in our water, and spewed into the air (where they travel sometimes thousands of kilometers, polluting our so-called pristine areas), precipitating out and ending up in the water again, in the food chain, and concentrating within us...by one pathway or another. And we see the results in terms of our health. Sooner - or later. But I digress... Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:48:24 +0900 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst, goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Dana, there are people interested in finding greener recipes for making biodiesel. They do seem to exist but are generally highly guarded industrial secrets. I got a bit disallusioned by the polluting effect of the basic methanol/lye method as it produces a lot of mirky water in the refining process which is a problem to serious biodiesel producers as the local environment agency (UK) is highly officious and very fond of imposing large fines on businesses that cause pollution. I am currently researching other methods. Sounds like it's your highly officious local UK environment agency you should be getting a bit disillusioned with rather than the polluting effect of the method, which was discussed here a month or two ago and would seem to be more of a molehill than a mountain. Is it really worse than soapy residues etc from dishwasher, laundry detergents, bathwater? Aleks detailed the contents of the waste water (pretty innocuous) and said there's no need to be saintlier than the Pope. Keep 2nd and 3rd wash water for next-batch first wash; dilute first-wash water and offer it to your lawn - try a small patch first, but prolly neither lawn nor moles will mind, might even appreciate it. Nothing you don't find in fertiliser bags. You can find a helluva lot worse in
