Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Mike, Robert and all My SECULAR government shouldn't force me to think or behave against my own conscience. Absolutely. I'm with you on that point. So am I. I have a problem with people who insist that we put the 10 commandments up in public buildings then refuse to live by them. I

Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread Michael Redler
You did a wonderful job Keith. Your reply is the kind that I really enjoy evenwhen I don't agree with everything - appropriately siting references with your analysis and keeping in mind the bigger picture. You mentioned duality (i.e. duality of man) and makes me wonder ifJung was an influence in

Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread Joe Street
Hear! Hear! Well I had to take exception to what was written about most Canadians being unconcerned about the division (or lack of) church and state. While I cannot speak for all Canadians I can certainly say I've heard many negative comments every time the subject comes up and the

Re: [Biofuel] Sudden Infant Death Syndrome

2006-01-23 Thread Joe Street
Very curious! Phosphorus, Antimony and Arsenic are dopants commonly used in the semiconductor industry and are extremely toxic when they combine with hydrogen to form hydrides. Arsine (the hydride of arsenic) is toxic at a level of 50 parts per billion. That's about the range of sensitivity

Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread David Miller
robert luis rabello wrote: Michael Redler wrote: [snip] Yet the religious principle of do no harm to your neighbor and do not harm a child come directly from a tradition far older than psychology and the field of child development. (I can give you book, chapter and verse in the

Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread robert luis rabello
David Miller wrote: See, here's the crux of the problem. Here is what you're missing. Whose religious principle of do no harn to your neighbor and do not harm a child do you hold? I began my contribution to this thread by simply stating that in many free countries, people

Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread Doug Turner
I've got to agree with Joe. Many, but not all, of the Canadians I know strongly support the separation of church and state. We are often not vocal about it because the issue seldom comes up. With respect to religious schools, our country was predicated on equality of French and English,

Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread Joe Street
Doug don't forget we have the ability to direct where the education portion of our municipal taxes goes, ie. which school board it goes to. I wish that it was possible to do more directing of where my tax dollars go. Maybe one day. Joe Doug Turner wrote: I've got to agree with Joe.

Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread Keith Addison
You did a wonderful job Keith. Why thankyou Mike. :-) Your reply is the kind that I really enjoy even when I don't agree with everything - appropriately siting references with your analysis and keeping in mind the bigger picture. You mentioned duality (i.e. duality of man) Duality of mind.

Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hello David I could perhaps agree with the point you're making, but I think you stretch it so far it breaks. robert luis rabello wrote: Michael Redler wrote: [snip] Yet the religious principle of do no harm to your neighbor and do not harm a child come directly from a tradition

[Biofuel] Appropriate Technologies Can Benefit Anyone

2006-01-23 Thread Michael Redler
Appropriate technologies as a philosophycan benefit anyone, anywhere. I received this from my uncle today:Zero Gravity When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ball-point pens would not work in zero gravity. To combat this problem, NASA scientists spent

[Biofuel] Rants

2006-01-23 Thread Doug Younker
I'm going to have to confess ignorance here. Can anyone one point me to any examples of machinery rendered useless due to safety considerations? I can't put my hands on any data at the moment, but I'm fairly confident that the desire for more wealth and power, by the already wealthy and

Re: [Biofuel] Appropriate Technologies Can Benefit Anyone

2006-01-23 Thread Marty Phee
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp Michael Redler wrote: Appropriate technologies as a philosophy can benefit anyone, anywhere. I received this from my uncle today: Zero Gravity *When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that

Re: [Biofuel] Appropriate Technologies Can Benefit Anyone

2006-01-23 Thread Doug Younker
Well a quick trip to http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp reveals, that using pencils, is a possible hazard, but where used during Mercury Gemini. NASA did buy 400 super pens, at the high cost of $2.95 each. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing

Re: [Biofuel] Rants

2006-01-23 Thread Michael Redler
I agree with you Doug.Therewere a couple of things that design engineers used to say to their project/product managers (I say "used to" since design engineers are almost extinct in the Northeast US - although the job title still lingers):1) We can design anything you want. It's just a

Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread Joe Street
Too bad nobody can quote from texts older than thesebecause they didn't exist. So does that automatically mean that the ideas written in these ancient documents must necessarily be soley attributed to them? Isn't it reasonable to assume that decent people existed who had decent values

Re: [Biofuel] Appropriate Technologies Can Benefit Anyone

2006-01-23 Thread John Hayes
Michael Redler wrote: Appropriate technologies as a philosophy can benefit anyone, anywhere. I received this from my uncle today: Zero Gravity *When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ball-point pens would not work in zero gravity. To combat

Re: [Biofuel] Appropriate Technologies Can Benefit Anyone

2006-01-23 Thread Michael Redler
Well done Doug.I'll pass it on.MikeDoug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well a quick trip to http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.aspreveals, that using pencils, is a possible hazard, but where used duringMercury Gemini. NASA did buy 400 super pens, at the high cost of

[Biofuel] Fw: The Indigo Evolution

2006-01-23 Thread Bob Molloy
Hi All, My alma mater has seen fit to forward me an invitation to a screening of what looks like a cult movie, or perhaps the first stirrings of a cult movement (or perhaps just another clever scam - see below). The fact that such material is emanating from a prestigious university gives

[Biofuel] Save energy, eat green

2006-01-23 Thread Bob Molloy
Hi again, This from the December 17 edition of the UK-based New Scientist. Regards, Bob. Save energy, eat green Are you considering switching to more eco-friendly fuels and means oftransportation? You could do more by going vegan, say two University of Chicago researchers. Gidon Eshel

Re: [Biofuel] Appropriate Technologies Can Benefit Anyone

2006-01-23 Thread Michael Redler
Somebody beat you to it John (I think it might have beenDoug but, I'm not sure).Thanks anyway.I forwarded the link to the person who originally sent it. Shame on me for not checking it out. I shouldn't take any source for granted - even if it's used in a joke.MikeJohn Hayes [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: The Indigo Evolution

2006-01-23 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
Before scoffing, do a search on Super Psychic Children of China .. and also Mexico. Very interesting read and well documented. The Chinese government have set up schools for these children, as have the Mexicans ... and nothing is being heard from the American government .. although if these

[Biofuel] California Emissions

2006-01-23 Thread Greg Ocnos
I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty diesel. I live in Massachusetts and they do not sell diesel cars any more because of the high standard of emissions. I would have to go out of state to buy this Jeep. These vehicles must pass an emissions test every other year. Mind you, you can

Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hello again David Keith Addison wrote: Hello David I could perhaps agree with the point you're making, but I think you stretch it so far it breaks. robert luis rabello wrote: Michael Redler wrote: [snip] Yet the religious principle of do no harm to your neighbor and do not harm a child

Re: [Biofuel] Save energy, eat green

2006-01-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Bob Hi again, This from the December 17 edition of the UK-based New Scientist. Regards, Bob. Save energy, eat green Are you considering switching to more eco-friendly fuels and means of transportation? You could do more by going vegan, say two University of Chicago

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: The Indigo Evolution

2006-01-23 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
Also .. in one of the articles that came up in my search for the Super Psychic Children of China, the author did criticize James Twyman .. the Director of your mention movie .. for exploiting these children. I've read some of Twyman's books and while I can admire some of his work as the a

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: The Indigo Evolution

2006-01-23 Thread Michael Luich
My Son is one of the indigo children. The term is often used to refer to a class of the Autism spectrum. It is not a movement/cult/scam. There's nothing quite like having a 14 year old have discussions with you that even your peers are not intelligent or mature enough to handle. Michael Luich

Re: [Biofuel] More quotes from Bin Laden

2006-01-23 Thread BT
Howdy Keith, This BBC article about the same interview doesn't say yes he did it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1648572.stm Bin Laden refused to say whether or not he was behind the US attacks, describing the targets as the American icons of military and economic power. If he

Re: [Biofuel] Rants

2006-01-23 Thread ufdaland
I'm going to have to confess ignorance here. Can anyone one point me to any examples of machinery rendered useless due to safety considerations? Perhaps useless is an over statement. Have you bought a riding lawn mower lately with a kill switch under the seat which also does it's thing when

Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden Citing US Polls About Withdrawing From Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread ufdaland
Robert and Keith, Thanks for your input. Jerry On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:43:51 -0800 robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jerry wrote: Seems we have only proved that we have alot of problems ___ Biofuel mailing

Re: [Biofuel] Sudden Infant Death Syndrome

2006-01-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I am too. I have been trying to track down exactly what is uesd in my new matress. My wife is 22 weeks pregnat (our 2nd) so I am ever more concerned. One link had some interesting info. http://www.checnet.org/healthehouse/education/articles-detail.asp?Main_ID=359 Jeromie Joe Street wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] California Emissions

2006-01-23 Thread Buck Williams
californiaia has not test for auto or pickuppp emissiaonss for diesel,, From: Greg Ocnos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] California Emissions Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:19:32 -0500 I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty

Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

2006-01-23 Thread David Miller
Keith Addison wrote: Hello David I could perhaps agree with the point you're making, but I think you stretch it so far it breaks. robert luis rabello wrote: Michael Redler wrote: [snip] Yet the religious principle of do no harm to your neighbor and do not harm

Re: [Biofuel] California Emissions

2006-01-23 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I don't think it is so much that the diesel will fail california emissions, so much as CA (and the northeast) plain refuse to test new diesels. In general, diesel emissions tests just measure how thick the black smoke is -- completely different than anything than is tested on gasoline cars.If you

Re: [Biofuel] Sudden Infant Death Syndrome

2006-01-23 Thread bob allen
This an interesting hypothesis, but it brings to mind a question and a comment what were infants dying of prior to the initiation of the use of flame retardants? Crib deaths are reported in medical literature from early in the nineteenth century, and anecdotally much earlier still- at least

Re: [Biofuel] Rants

2006-01-23 Thread Michael Redler
Hey. Is this still on-topic?Hair Dryer Manual: "Do not use while showering"Toilet Brush: “Do not use for personal hygiene" Rat Poison: "Harmful if swallowed" Drain Cleaner: “If you do not understand, or cannot read, all directions, cautions and warnings, do not use this product.”

[Biofuel] unheated oil for biodiesel?

2006-01-23 Thread Kenji James Fuse
I've never tried making biodiesel without heating the oil, except in little demo batches (2 litre pop bottle). How necessary is it, and can anyone describe the chemistry or physics of it to me in dumb-dumb terms? Or maybe its in the archives, and someone could point me in the right direction.

Re: [Biofuel] Rants

2006-01-23 Thread Michael Redler
Maybe the reason we have so many safety switches on everything is because we forgot how topost warnings?http://tinyurl.com/95qelMike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to have to confess ignorance here. Can anyone one point me toanyexamples of machinery rendered useless due to safety

Re: [Biofuel] Rants

2006-01-23 Thread bob allen
so Michael, have you seen these personally? or just repeating what is all over the web? I am interested in the authenticity of the purported labels- they seem similar to a lot of Darwin awards- cute, but contrived... Michael Redler wrote: Hey. Is this still on-topic? Hair Dryer Manual:

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: The Indigo Evolution

2006-01-23 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
Michael I was lead to believe that the autism diagnosis was a mis-diagnosis and used only because the doctors/educators did not know what to do with them. I was also lead to believe that these children normally do not speak much before 4 years of age and then they begin with full sentences.

Re: [Biofuel] Rants

2006-01-23 Thread Michael Redler
The hair dryer and Rat poison I've seen personally. The others I got from a friend."...just repeating what is all over the web?" ...got your shorts in a knot today Bob? This isn't a thesis so, relax. If you have your scientistscap on, perhaps you aren't in the right frame of mind to be

Re: [Biofuel] Sudden Infant Death Syndrome

2006-01-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Exactly! I am looking for information, hoping that possibly some people here might have it. Google has found alot of articles but so far they do not contain anything I consider hard proof. I will keep looking and hope to find something one way or the other. Jeromie bob allen wrote: This an

Re: [Biofuel] Sudden Infant Death Syndrome

2006-01-23 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
I have nothing in writing to back this up .. it's just something that was told me by my chiropractor sometimes in the early 80's. What I was told is that there is one consistent factor in all Sudden Infant Death and that is each and every one was delivered at birth by a medical doctor using

Re: [Biofuel] unheated oil for biodiesel?

2006-01-23 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Hello Kenji, heating the oil means that you are adding energy to the coming reaction. The reaction will go faster and become more complete than if you didn´t heat the oil. Trans-esterifucation processes can often take place in temperatures around 20oC and above. The glycerol settling will also go