Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hello Keith and thank you for your input. I agree with you, blending an oil with a high IV with one with a lower, should produce an average IV. But in some course literature I read some time ago, it said that oil spill from rape seed oil will leave you two months to wipe it up before it polymerizes, soy bean oil will leave you two weeks, and linseed oil two days. From this way of reasoning one can conclude, when comparing the average IV values of each oil, that blending rape seed oil with llinseed oil to an average IV value of soybean oil, will produce an oil with similar polymerization properties as soybean oil. And further- if producing of biodiesel out of high IV oils, will lower the fatty acids« ability to polymerize one can conclude that the first step of polmerization takes place within the triglyceride molecule, possibly with bridges of oxygen between the double bonds of different fatty acids. In methyl ester the fatty acids with the right will to polymerize have some difficulties finding each other and build bridges. Give me some input on this way of explanation ,Keith ! Best regards Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hello DB and all Anyone making bio-diesel should be concerned with the IV of the oil and the polymerzation of the engine. After a careful reading of the australian report WVO as a Diesel replacement fuel it is obvious that they are concerned with it's use as straight veggy oil and Not so much Bio-diesel.( I would be concerned too) Here is a direct quote from that report. Trans esterifying triglyceride oils and fats with monohydric alcohols to form biodiesel largly eliminates the tendency of the oils and fats to polymerization and auto-oxidation.. The base crop for european biodiesel being rapeseed with a IV of 98 is a reasonable goal to acheve. Most of my stock is soy oil and much of it is hydrogenated. I also get cottonseed and peanut oil along with canola (rapeseed) I no longer use straight soy oil and try to make a blend. In the past when I only had soy oil based biodiesel I would only run BD50. I an no longer worried about the IV of the oil and if you are then just run BD50.Drive down the road Happy...DB ..PS. I have been making biodiesel since '02 and have made 1000's of gallons with zero problems. I agree, and thankyou, but I'm not sure I follow the logic of your solution, attractive though it is. Does an IV value average out when you blend different oils? Other things will, of course, like say FFA levels, you'll end up with an average and that's that. But in a blend with biodiesel made from a high IV oil with biodiesel made from lower IV oils, while the proportion of high IV oil will be lower, what's to stop it oxidising and polymerising just the same? Blending it doesn't change its makeup. I'm not sure what effect blending it with petrodiesel would have, but that wouldn't change its makeup either, it still has its double bonds to be broken down and polymerise. All you'd get is proportionately less polymerisation, no? So it'll take longer to gunge up the engine. That doesn't solve the problem, just mitigates it. Sorry, I don't know if this is right or not, just trying to be logical - maybe it doesn't work like that, but I'd like to know. Regards Keith - Original Message - From: TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Where can we get the veg-based motor oil? Can better oil filtering help with this problem? Racor has a motor oil filter used in race cars. - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Thanks for the follow up, Keith. I have since spent many hours researching the issue and have found some relevant facts here: www.blt.bmlf.gv.at/vero/veroeff/0100_Technical_performance_of_methyl_esthe rs _e.pdf #www.blt.bmlf.gv.atveroveroeff0100_Tec Keith Addison wrote: Hello Stephan, Jan and all I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hello Tom. Are you referring to palm oil ? This is a highly saturated oil common in Europe as frying oil. The oil is imported from Malaysia. Is it this one ? Bst rgrds Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:57 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hi All, Any information like this on oil from palm trees? I«m not a fan of soybean because of Monsanto. Thanks, Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Jan Warnqvist To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/04/05 5:39 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hello Keith and thank you for your input. I agree with you, blending an oil with a high IV with one with a lower, should produce an average IV. But in some course literature I read some time ago, it said that oil spill from rape seed oil will leave you two months to wipe it up before it polymerizes, soy bean oil will leave you two weeks, and linseed oil two days. From this way of reasoning one can conclude, when comparing the average IV values of each oil, that blending rape seed oil with llinseed oil to an average IV value of soybean oil, will produce an oil with similar polymerization properties as soybean oil. And further- if producing of biodiesel out of high IV oils, will lower the fatty acids« ability to polymerize one can conclude that the first step of polmerization takes place within the triglyceride molecule, possibly with bridges of oxygen between the double bonds of different fatty acids. In methyl ester the fatty acids with the right will to polymerize have some difficulties finding each other and build bridges. Give me some input on this way of explanation ,Keith ! Best regards Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hello DB and all Anyone making bio-diesel should be concerned with the IV of the oil and the polymerzation of the engine. After a careful reading of the australian report WVO as a Diesel replacement fuel it is obvious that they are concerned with it's use as straight veggy oil and Not so much Bio-diesel.( I would be concerned too) Here is a direct quote from that report. Trans esterifying triglyceride oils and fats with monohydric alcohols to form biodiesel largly eliminates the tendency of the oils and fats to polymerization and auto-oxidation.. The base crop for european biodiesel being rapeseed with a IV of 98 is a reasonable goal to acheve. Most of my stock is soy oil and much of it is hydrogenated. I also get cottonseed and peanut oil along with canola (rapeseed) I no longer use straight soy oil and try to make a blend. In the past when I only had soy oil based biodiesel I would only run BD50. I an no longer worried about the IV of the oil and if you are then just run BD50.Drive down the road Happy...DB ..PS. I have been making biodiesel since '02 and have made 1000's of gallons with zero problems. I agree, and thankyou, but I'm not sure I follow the logic of your solution, attractive though it is. Does an IV value average out when you blend different oils? Other things will, of course, like say FFA levels, you'll end up with an average and that's that. But in a blend with biodiesel made from a high IV oil with biodiesel made from lower IV oils, while the proportion of high IV oil will be lower, what's to stop it oxidising and polymerising just the same? Blending it doesn't change its makeup. I'm not sure what effect blending it with petrodiesel would have, but that wouldn't change its makeup either, it still has its double bonds to be broken down and polymerise. All you'd get is proportionately less polymerisation, no? So it'll take longer to gunge up the engine. That doesn't solve the problem, just mitigates it. Sorry, I don't know if this is right or not, just trying to be logical - maybe it doesn't work like that, but I'd like to know. Regards Keith - Original Message - From: TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Where can we get the veg-based motor oil? Can better oil filtering help with this problem? Racor has a motor oil filter used in race cars. - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Thanks for the follow up, Keith. I have since spent many hours researching the issue and have found some
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hello TLC. The main idea with hydrogenation is to alter the IV value of an oil. The answer is yes. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hydrogenated canola has an IV of around 65 while non hydrogenated has an IV of around 112. Does anyone know if the IV in soybean (131) safflower (145) hemp (165) or sunflower (133) are altered in any way by the hydrogenation process? - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Howdy Kieth and Jan At the risk of looking foolish as I am an organic chemist, but don't have much experience with polymer chemistry- here goes Polymerization is a molecule molecule reaction. A compound with double carbon carbon bond is particularly susceptible free radical oxidation. Let's call them U. Compounds without carbon carbon double bounds are relatively unreactive. We will call these S. Oxygen will activate one molecule, U, but for polymerization to occur, the activated molecule must encounter another U, then the now covalently bonded pair, must encounter another U, and so on. Collisions of activated U with S don't result in a reaction. It seems to me that if you dilute U with S, that you will reduce polymerization. Or how about this. An activated molecule has only a finite amount of time to react. If an activated molecule U bumps into another U then chain growth continues. But if activated U bumps into S, no reaction occurs, other than U reacting internally, which also stops chain growth. Polymer chemists can modulate the number of molecules in a chain (chain length) by addition of non polymerizing stuff. Being a right brain guy, this discussion is made more difficult, as I can't draw all the pictures which exemplify the points I am trying to make. :( The long and short of it (no pun intended) chain length of polymers will be reduced by dilution of biodiesel blended from high IV oils with low IV oils. Put another way, the time to reach a specified degree of polymerization will be extended by dilution. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hello Bob and thank you for your input. There should also be pointed out that polymerization may take place in the fuel tank of the vehicle, at least to some extent, since many diesels have leak fuel lines transporting hot fuel to the tank, so the temperature in the tank will rise in proportion to the amount of hot fuel coming in. This may lead to fuel filter clogging. Not instantly, of course, but after a number of hours. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? The general rule of thumb is that a 10 degree Celsius rise in temperature results in a doubling of a reaction rate. So the short answer is yes, but with the caveat: You really don't need to worry about a polymerization reaction occurring in an injector or hot engine part that it would interfere with the operation of the engine. Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Bob, I like the us and ss for those uninitiated. But my question is at high temperature, like that found near or in a diesel engine, will the us be able to find those other us more easily and thus have a polymerization reaction anyway? Tom -Original Message- -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Yes, that is the diesel syndrome put very clearly. Highly saturated - good ignitition properties but crystallizes at rather high temperatures. Highly unsaturated - worse ignitition properties but crystallizes at lower temperatures. Since palm oil is a common frying oil, it is the raw material for BD production, but as WVO( very common in the UK, I think). Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Jan, That is exactly the oil I have in mind. From what I have read it produces the greatest amount of oil per hectare. Highly saturated is good news. Must be lots of folks making Bio D from this material, once used. in Europe, yes? No - highly saturated might be good news as far as drying is concerned, but it also means a high cloud point. CHECK THE ARCHIVES! There's TONS of stuff about palm oil in the archives! And/or Journey to Forever: Iodine Values -- High Iodine Values -- Talking about the weather http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine Keith Thanks, Tom -Original Message- From: Jan Warnqvist To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2/04/05 6:41 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hello Tom. Are you referring to palm oil ? This is a highly saturated oil common in Europe as frying oil. The oil is imported from Malaysia. Is it this one ? Bst rgrds Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:57 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hi All, Any information like this on oil from palm trees? I«m not a fan of soybean because of Monsanto. Thanks, Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerosene
Hello Chris. Kerosene according to JET A1 is consisting from fractions from both gasoline and diesel pools. The cetane number of kerosene should be about 38-40 and has a lower density than diesel oil. My suggestion is that you mix it with biodiesel , at the most 50/50 for engine fuel. It will make a good mix with good cold properties and the cetane number of the biodiesel (approx 50). Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Chris Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Oil
Hello Jan. If you use sunflower oil for BD production you most certainly will have a BD similar to the one of soya bean oil. As far as I remember, sunflower oil is the no 1 raw oil for BD production in Spain. Best rgrds Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Sunflower Oil Has anyone experience with Straight Sunflower Oil to produce BioDiesel? With kind regards, Jan Lieuwe Bolding ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Engine Warrantys
Hello Chuck. About Mercedes I know that it surely will. I also know that you most likely won«t have to have warranty claims because of biodiesel. The essence of MB:s biodiesel policy is that the plastic, rubber seals and hoses of the fuel system may be affected by biodiesel. This goes for all passenger car models. They«re saying that the rubber parts are not made from viton, which they should be. But if they are made from nitrile, you may expect small problems, if any. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Chuck Elsholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Engine Warrantys Does anyone happen to know if using biodiesel will void your engine warranty? Specifically dodge or mercedes. Thanks Chuck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biofuel, waste engine oil
No, no,no. First of all: Engine oil and especially used engine oil is not formulated to combust in an ordinary diesel engine. Secondly: Engine oil contains lots of additives to improve its properties, but these are there to help the oil lubricate. Some of these additives contain metals which are dangerous both from environmental and health point of view and not in the least to the engine itself. Third: A good base oil consists from long hydrocarbon chains, which are not easily combusted. These chains may leave deposits inside the engine. These deposits may be harmful to the function of the engine. The best way of dealing with used engine oil, is to burn it in a burner for high viscosity oils, and then handle the waste ashes in safe way , or just recycle the oil by cleansing it. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: [Biofuel] biofuel, waste engine oil Hello everyone! Finding a good use for used engine oil, has been on my mind for a while, I came across this revolting (sorry) bit of info that someone posted on ebay as he was selling his Mercedes. He had apparently fueled it occasionally with filtered waste motoroil, which he had obtained free, or so he claimed, from service stations.The poor thing wouldn't go faster than 60 mph when fed this gourmet fuel I've been part of our forum now for a while, and surprisingly the subject hasn't come up so I've checked around, and there is an interesting piece of machinery www.clarustechnologies.com/manufacturing_services/oilcat/index.html this item apparently filters wasteoil and mixes it a preset low percentage in with the fuel, supposedly with no ill effects. Seems like a good idea to me except for the price of course, any comments or ideas.(Ihope the link works) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Report
Hi Bob and Keith. I had a report on my computer suggesting a method to establish reaction yield of biodiesel by the viscosity of the origin oil compared to the biodiesel, but the file was damaged and could not be opened. Does anyone from you know where to find it on the web ? Best rgrds Jan Warnqvist +46 554 201 89 + 46 70 499 38 45 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Report
Hello Bob and thank you for your input. Do you have any suggestions how the values of mono- and diglycerides would turn out? Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Report Jan, I can see how it should be possible, but I don't know of a source for procedure. I have the good fortune if a well outfitted lab so I can determine the same in other ways. It shouldn't be hard to simply mix known amounts of biodiesel and unreacted oil, determine the viscosity of the mixtures and prepare a standard curve for comparison to an unknown. Jan Warnqvist wrote: Hi Bob and Keith. I had a report on my computer suggesting a method to establish reaction yield of biodiesel by the viscosity of the origin oil compared to the biodiesel, but the file was damaged and could not be opened. Does anyone from you know where to find it on the web ? Best rgrds Jan Warnqvist +46 554 201 89 + 46 70 499 38 45 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol vs Petrol
Hello Paul. As you probably know, methanol is used as fuel in speedway, with motorcycle engines for that fuel. Methanol in gasoline engines will cause: 1. Incompletely burned ethanol forms formic acid, which is aggressive to the engine oil and material. 2. During cold start operation the exhaust fumes will contain formaldehyde, which is carcinogenic. 3. Mixing methanol with gasoline will lean the fuel/air mixture, which will lead to power loss and high combustion temperatures, higher than the engine is designed for. 4. Methanol is aggressive to aluminium, rubber and plastic and will cause wear in your engine. 5. if you want to go for methanol, buy a Ford taurus FFV, which will accept methanol, ethanol and gasoline in all proportions. 6. Good luck. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Paul Maher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol vs Petrol Hi all, The local price for 1 liter of petrol (gas) is over 5.00, I can get methanol for 2.83. The obvious question is is it safe to put methanol into the petrol and how much? It also makes me wonder why methanol is not used as a fuel more. The car I drive is fuel injected, would putting methanol into it mean I would have to have the computer set to give more/less air? Regards Paul ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Mid '60s Mercedes 200D - Suitable Biodiesel-mobile?
Hello Ken. Basically all MB:s run well on biodiesel. But could you provide more details, yom, engine size and so on ? Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Mid '60s Mercedes 200D - Suitable Biodiesel-mobile? I have stumbled across the above for a good price and I would like to know if this vehicle will run biodiesel suitably. Can anyone provide some insight? Thanks a bunch, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Iodine value, polymerisation and oxidation
Marc, it is true that the trans-esterification process will partly eliminate the polymerization properties of highly unsaturated fatty acids.How did you establish the iodine number ? What kind of oil as raw material are you talking about ? But there are still some things to attend to: Highly unsaturated fatty acids can be quite aggressive to the material in the fuel system. If you want to play it a little safer, mix the BD with BD of a more saturated oil. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Marc Arends [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Iodine value, polymerisation and oxidation Hello, My WVO consist of 80% polyunsaturated oil and i calculated that this has an iodine value of 150. But when i look at the table National standards for biodiesel, found here http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#biodstds you see the iodine value of BD should be on avarage less then 120. Which makes my BD not suitable for my car cause the BD will undergo polymerisation. You also read on the webpage that oil with a iodine number above 50 will damage your car. Found here http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html. On the other hand i red this article stating that Trans-esterifying triglyceride oils and fats with monohydric alcohols to form biodiesel largely eliminates the tendency of the oils and fats to undergo polymerisation and auto-oxidation and also reduces the viscosity of the oil to about the same as petroleum diesel. Found here http://www.shortcircuit.com.au/warfa/paper/paper.htm My idea was to mix my high polyunsaturated BD with mineral diesel until it does no demage to my car, but i now i don't know how much of each i should use. Can anyone help me please, i am very confused. Greetings, Marc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
Hello Peter. I can recommend all MB diesels as ideal for biodiesel. I am into my third now, and there have been no problems whatsoever. Just a small advice though: The grinder on the fuel line just before the feed pump should be moved by longer hosing, in order to become easily replaced from above, if necessary. In any other case you may have to get under the car in order to replace it. That ´s all. Good luck ! Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Peter Childers To: BiofuelList Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable? This is my first try at this list so excuse me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look).I am also looking at (preferred) aVolkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a long shot right now. Thanks for any help. Peter ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
Hello Peter. I am referring to what some are calling the pre-filter, located just before the feed pump. Concerning the rubber, the MB engineers are claiming that the rubber hoses and sealings are not suitable for biodiesel. But, if not too worn, they are lasting very well. If a hose has to be replaced, use a new made out of nitrile rubber. The nitrile rubber is sufficiently resistant against biodiesel, although there are even more resistant rubbers. Good luck to you! Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Peter Childers To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable? Thanks for your response Jan, but what is a "grinder"? Do you mean, maybe alternate word, the Filter? Are you aware of any rubber parts that might need subbing out as I understand that rubber and BioDiesel don't mix? Peter - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable? Hello Peter. I can recommend all MB diesels as ideal for biodiesel. I am into my third now, and there have been no problems whatsoever. Just a small advice though: The grinder on the fuel line just before the feed pump should be moved by longer hosing, in order to become easily replaced from above, if necessary. In any other case you may have to get under the car in order to replace it. That ´s all. Good luck ! Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Peter Childers To: BiofuelList Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable? This is my first try at this list so excuse me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look).I am also looking at (preferred) aVolkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a long shot right now. Thanks for any help. Peter ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone know if I can run 15% ethanol in an Isuzu 2.64banger?
Hello Mike. You could run your gasoline vehicle on 15% methanol, BUT the methanol is quite aggressive and may cause corrosion in your fuel system quite rapidly. If your car is equipped with a carburettor, you should adjust the CO exhaust value, when running on methanol/gasoline, according to the stated min value by the manufacturer in order to avoid that the fuel/air mixture becomes too lean. If that is not possible, do not use the methanol for fuel. You will notice a clear increase in fuel consumption. Methanol has a clear tendency of forming acid compounds during engine warm-up. These compounds will attack the lubricating oil layers in your engine. You may expect twice the wear compared to running on pure gasoline (or even ethanol for that matter). Please let me know how you intend to proceed. Good luck ! Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Anyone know if I can run 15% ethanol in an Isuzu 2.64banger? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acid/base process
Hello Kam, the citric acid content will be visualized on the titration value as FFA content. If the water content is low and the FFA level is acceptable, you can use the ordinary base trans-esterification technique. Since you know the citric acid content, it will be easy to calculate the actual FFA value from the titration value. Let me know how you plan to proceed. With best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Karn Intania [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:47 AM Subject: [Biofuel] acid/base process Well, I've got an animal fat with 5%citric acid. I doubted that I can use an included citric acid instead of 95% sulfuric acid as catalyst, to perform acid/base process according ot JTF. Also, can anyone tell me how to test a result solution from base process (animal fat and methanol using catalyst with solid NaOH); to determine %methy ester and animal fat. regards, Karn __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] is this a better use for sump oil?
Hi all, I have e-mailed these people asking for an analysis of the diesel fuel that their system is producing. No reply, so far. That´s not a good sign. Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: alex burton To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: [Biofuel] is this a better use for sump oil? Hi all I found this link on ebay(Australia) 1.is it just a expensive filter system plan? 2. Is it worth using to "recycle" my sump oil? 3.dose it have the same emissions as "dirty diesel" http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HOME-MADE-DIESEL-BETTER-THAN-BIODIESEL-BIOFUEL-WVO-SVO_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6763QQitemZ7997660498QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?
Hello all. ethanol contains oxygen and will disturb the fuel/air ratio of the fuel. Engines with carburettor have to be adjusted to the proper CO level, since this value is the receipt of a proper combustion. Injected engines with catalytic cleaning usually have a range for adding more fuel to the air/fuel ratio, determined by the amount of O2 in the exhausts. Some systems can adjust to 30% of ethanol in the fuel, others have a thinner adjustment line. A good way of finding out which is to measure the exhaust fumes according to the specifications of the engine manufacturer. Keep up the good job ! Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go? I was trying to theorize on what using a 100% ethanol fuel would be like. From MH's experience, it seems pretty obvious that 10% or even 25% ethanol has no ill effects and could actually run in unmodified gas engine better than 100% gasoline. I wanted to add to the reply below. . . Zeke Yewdall wrote: My understanding is that ethanol will run fine in existing gasoline engines. The difference is in compatibility with seals, and ability to vaporize at lower temperatures. It's got a bit higher vapor pressure, so in northern US, it can create hard starting in the wintertime. Having lived in a northern climate (Wisconsin, Minnesota, USA) I found it harder to start my gasoline vehicles when they have water in the gasoline line and it freezes up but now with 10 percent ethanol blended gasoline this has eliminated that problem, thank you. Methanol (HEET) caused some problems for me in my 1946 pickup truck and some of my 1960s and 1970s gasoline vehicles when methanol reacted with the rubber fuel filler hose connection to the fuel tank and carburetor floats. It does have a bit lower energy content per gallon, and higher oxygen content, which could confuse the electronic controls systems that most cars have now. They measure input airflow, and oxygen content in the exhaust, and decide how much fuel can be put in and still assure complete combustion. I don't know if ethanol might mess this up. Older cabureated cars you'd probably just have to reset the jets. Using 10 percent ethanol blended gasoline I've gotten better fuel mileage in the summer with it but less so in the cold winter. My carburetor vehicles worked fine with 10 percent ethanol blended gasoline fuel without adjusting the carburetor jets. The lower energy content per gallon also means that the mpg is a bit less. Somewhere around 10% I think??? If you designed the car to run only on ethanol, then you can typically use a much higher compression ratio (12:1 or so instead of 9:1 or less). This gives you back alot of the performance and mpg losses from using the lower energy content fuel. My use of 10 percent blended gasoline has not decreased my average annual fuel mileage. Its still 48 miles-per-gallon. The rusted front brake rotors did but thats been fixed. As far as seals, I haven't heard anything on ethanol causing seals to degrade, but I may be wrong. Just a few days ago on this listserve, there was a discussion on methanol, and the possibility of high concentrations of it hurting the aluminum and light alloy engines. It seems like if it did have issues with corrosion or rubber degradation, 10% would be enough to cause them, and since most of the winter gas sold in the northern US is 10% ethanol for pollution control, I imagine it doesn't. I haven't noticed any degradation while using 10 percent ethanol. There was a report several years ago done at the University of Minnesota - Mankato that used up to 25 percent ethanol blended gasoline fuel and it worked here in the northern USA climate though I haven't read the details. I also read a report done in the 1940s by the University of Iowa - Ames that also worked well using ethanol blended gasoline fuel in carburetor vehicles. I wonder if they are using 100% ethanol, or ~95% ethanol (which is what denatured ethanol usually is -- a little gasoline put in to keep you from drinking it), or 95% ethanol/5% water which I understand is the highest purity you can distill it to. At that ratio, it forms a constant boiling mixture, and you can't get it to 100% pure by distillation. Does anyone know how they get the last bit of water out? And whether it would affect the engine if they didn't? It's in solution, so I imagine it would just cause a little more water vapor in the exhaust, and slighly lower mpg. It shouldn't cause freezing, since I've tried to freeze 100 proof vodka, and it stays liquid at -10F, and this woud equivalent to 190 proof. Huh, hows 100 proof equivalent
Re: [Biofuel] Question about E85
Angela, the fuel system of your car will most likely not tolerate more than 30% E85 in gasoline. The "black box" has to be adjusted to increase the highest possible fuel amount to be injected. I think that the easiest way is to get a car with a carburettor, and enlarge the main injector to a proper size, which means making it 30-40% wider. But that car will not be able to run on pure gasoline again, unless you switch back to the original main injector. Be aware that some fuel pums disapprove of ethanol showing this by stop working. Best of luck to you Jan - Original Message - From: Angela Cook To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Question about E85 Does anyone know if anything has to be done to the fuel system if you're planning on running E-85 in your vehicle? I have heard conflicting stories. I have a 2001 Chevy Impala that I would fill up with E85. I've been using 10% Ethanol with no problems. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Angela Cook ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
Hello David, Zeke. The problem with diesel engines is that it until now has been difficult to mix the fuel and the air into a homogenous mixture. Gasoline (or even ethanol that matter )are much more voilate and mixes more easily with air. The black diesel smoke occurs when there is local oxygen shortage in the cylinder. As for acceleration and increased load conditions, the pump is supplying fuel in order to compensate for the higher demand for extra fuel. The main idea behind the high pressure common rail systems is that the injection time is much more rapid and that smaller drops of the fuel is created, which brings two advantages: The extra time surplus allows the fuel to mix better with the air, The smaller fuel drops also mixes more easily with the air. So, the problem with slow and black smoking diesels is practically gone with the high pressure injection systems Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement? Zeke Yewdall wrote: One major way acceleration hurts is that engines are set to richen the mixture during hard acceleration in order to prevent detonation (knocking, pinging) at high cylinder pressures. Does this apply to diesel engines which almost always operate with excess oxygen? Not if the diesel is setup properly. When the black smoke (soot) starts coming out it's because there's not enough oxygen for all the fuel. Short of that you're all set. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] turbo diesels
Hello Darryl, I can only rewiev results from surveys in the litterature, suggesting that the exhaust values are improving if the engine is over-charged. This goes for biodiesel as well as petro diesel. Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Darryl West To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] turbo diesels Hi I am a newbie to the biodiesel world and am keen to start creating my own fuel. I have managed to scavenge materials to make a basic processor, but have a simple question before making biodiesel and putting in my car. Is there any known effect in adding biodiesel to a turbo diesel engine? Knowing the basics about a diesel engine and a turbo I would think not, but would really appreciate any inputs regarding this matter. Thanks Darryl West ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Can this man save the world? (Hydrogen injection)
Furthermore, when the energy efficiency of a combustion engine is 35% it means the relationship between added energy (fuel) and the power that comes as a result. The rest of the energy is heat energy, which becomestransported by the cooling system as well as creating hot exhaust fumes. If you could use that heat for some purpose, you will find that almost 100% of the added energy is accounted for. Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Rexis Tree To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Can this man save the world? (Hydrogen injection) "Most internal combustion engines operate at about 35 per cent efficiency. This means that only 35 per cent of the fuel is fully burned. The rest either turns to carbon corroding the engine or goes out the exhaust pipe as greenhouse gases."Wow, according to this in theory if we make a 100% efficient internal combustion engine then we will have a car with zero greenhouse gases emission and zero carbon corroding to the engine! ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 2 questions about BD production
Hello Zeke. The cetane number of a me of good conversion rate, reasonably pure with a max. iodine number of 120 is 50-53. For highly saturated me:s such as those from palm oil, the cetane number can be 60 and above that. I do not know the cetane number of the D2, but this is not too bad, is it? With best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2 questions about BD production 2. I noticed someone once say that some additive could be added to completed BD, to the tune of a couple cents per gallon, that would increase the cetane rating of the fuel and push it to higher-than-D2 level performace. Again, if anyone has seen this, I'd be greatful for your info. I thought that biodiesel already had a bit higher cetane rating than #2 diesel? I know that my truck knocks alot on D2 compared to biodiesel, or even B20. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 82 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
Hello Tom, it seems that you have done everything right, maybe with the exeption that you should have proper tools in the trunk for changing filters if necesarry. But I doubt that you will need them though, assuming that your BD is of high quality. Best of luck to you ! Jan - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 82 Mercedes Turbo Diesel I've recently acquired a 1982 Mercedes 300SD. It is clean, rust-free, and very well maintained, but has never run on BD. Could someone familiar with Mercedes of this vintage comment on my checklist of things to do: -Remove in-tank fuel screen (Car alreadyhas a prefilter and a fuel filter accessible from above). -Set timing back 2 -3 degrees. -Keep a couple of prefilters and in-line filters in the trunk. -The hoses and seals appear to be in very good condition. I don't plan on replacing them. I have diesel mechanics in the family who are willing to do whatever is necessary,but their area of expertise is buses, so any info. would be appreciated. Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel, Hello, animal fat
Hello Juan. You can use any fatty acid material assuming that it meets the basic quality requirements for biodiesel production. With best regards Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Juan B To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:59 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BioDiesel, Hello, animal fat Hello,My name is Juan and I am new into Biodiesel World, and I was wondering whether biodiesel can be done from straight Animal fat, (no processing animal fat) Thank you Juan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fleet tests
Does anybody know of a good sight to find reports covering car fleet tests on BD ? Would be nice if they were in English though. Jan Jan Warnqvist ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] good wvo candidate
Hello Mandy, if you are planning to use WVO as SVO, an indirect injection engine is the best choice, because it will perform good longer than the direct injected engine, since the SVO will create polymerization products on the nozzles, and the indirect injected engine is less sensitive to that. On the other hand you can expecta higher fuel consumption. Good luck to you Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:40 AM Subject: [Biofuel] good wvo candidate Hey, I'm new to the list and I've just recently become interested in using waste cooking oil to fuel my commute. I am looking to buy a good diesel truck to convert. So far, I've gathered that an older dodge is probably the best route. I've also heard that indirect injection is better than direct injection and older engines are more durable. Am I on the right path? Please let me know, because I am chomping at the bit. Make April 15th Just Another Day-Visit FairTax.orgMandy Regal ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] (off topic) looking for Jan Warnqvist
Sorry, Chip, the response failed to reach your e-mail adress twice, and I stored it in my other computer. I will re-send it again during the weekend Jan - Original Message - From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: [Biofuel] (off topic) looking for Jan Warnqvist -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 After my appeal for ethanol as fuel information a couple of weeks back, I was contacted by Jan Warnqvist who asked me to reply for more information. I did reply, and never heard from you again. Perhaps my off-list reply didn't make it for some reason. But here is the body of my response to you; - -- Jan Warnqvist wrote: Hello Chip. Hy Jan; I read your input on the JTF mailing list. I have experience in ethanol as a fuel for both 2-stroke and 4-stroke engines. Converting a 4-stroke engine to ethanol is not a big thing, however making a 2-stroke engine to run safe and properly on ethanol is a different matter not in the least due to its way of lubrication. yes, it is interesting. Were I trying to get a generic old 2 stoke to work, it would be one thing, as the older 2stoke engines used fuel/oil as a coolant as well as a lubricant/fuel. However, these newer husqvarna saw engines do a very wonderful job of completing the combustion in the combustion chamber, with very little un-spent fuel exhausting. Husqvarna has done an admirable job engineering these engines. However, here in the US, the alkyate fuels like Aspen are not available, or if they are, it's a real mystery as to where. Futher, even Aspen is non-renewable. Seems we in the US not only use the most petrol, we also use the lower quality petrols. Nothing to be proud of. The small things, like adapting the fuel system, guestimating the carb modifications and such are things I could probably do. However, trying to determine a good fuel/lubricant ratio for ethanol and perhaps using a bio-oil like biodiesel as a lubrication additive is quite simply beyond my quite limited skills. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks very much for the reply. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDXla10STXFHxUucwRAuu3AJsHOJRQ9isR+O3dgJ2d3d9fsvzsjgCfY/wd SMHmT9QGXU43efKQq64yXEo= =lOsk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Iso-propanol
Hello there ! Is there anyone who has experience in isopropyl alcohol or its esters as fuel components ? Jan Warnqvist +46 554 201 89 + 46 70 499 38 45 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New bio dieseler
Hi there ! Is there anybody who has work for an expert in fatty acid esters (I have 13 years of experience) ? I speak English fluently, have knowledge in Italian, German and Russian, and can consider moving abroad. If you do, please write to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan Warnqvist + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Vincent zadworny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biomailinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New bio dieseler hi everyone, i am just starting out on this crazy journey into alternate feuls. i have been practiceing my titration and making small 1 liter batches in a blender from fresh canola oil bought from the corner store. it all seems to be going great. after settling over night the liquids seperate into two layers no shadow or middle layer. i left one batch sitting for about 2 weeks and the diesel became transparent. Question #1 - do i still have to wash this transparent diesel??? titrated some WVO and did a test batch of it too. the first time my math was off and i used to little lye, realized my mistake and made up a second. this time it seemed to work but doesn't pass the 150ml quality test on the JTF site. it didn't seperate in the alloted time but after settling over night it did. Question #2 - i and working in a cold wearhouse. could that be the problem?? any help would be welcomed Vincent Zadworny Vancouver, Canada - Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New bio dieseler
Hello Pieter. I live in Sweden, but as I mentioned, I can consider moving overseas. Please address me further on to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] With best regards Jan Warnqvist + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New bio dieseler Where do you live ? Met vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations
Hello Michael et al I have long experience from both models. I started out with a W 123, MB 300 D with the 88 hps 5 cylinder engine. This car became subject for a number of experimental projects. The engine is very tolerable, except for particulate contamination. As a consequence of this, I learned how to switch fuel filters (both primary and secondary) in less than 10 minuets, ready to start with a fuel system free from air. The injection pump is very resistible to variation in pH and water content of the fuel, at least for some time. It may have to do with the fact that the pump is partly lubricated by the engine oil and partly by the fuel. You should compare this with the rotation pumps of ,for instance, VW. When it comes to W124, I have experience in a MB 250D turbo intercooler with approx. 130 hps. It is tolerant in a similar manner and has an average fuel consumption of 0,7 l / 10 km with winter tires. Driving this car, it is impossible to tell the difference between diesel fuel and FAME. Good luck to you with MB diesels. Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Michael Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations Luc, Thanks for the W123 endorsement but the question remains if the same is true for the W124. Does anyone have any experience with this model and engine? While attempting to decipher the Mercedes model codes I found this handy site... http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html Mike W G'day Mike; I think you will find that the W123 body type will do the job quite nicely. Now that the expansion of my BD system is almost complete the next project upgrade on the BEnz this coming fall, God willing, is to go to a two tank system commonly used for SVO/WVO however I want it for deep winter BD use so I can run my fuel year round, however I am still looking into that as a viable avenue. Luc I am also looking for a 'well seasoned' 300D for biodiesel use. There are a few reasonably priced early '90s machines on the market. Are there issues running B100 on the generation just after the 80-87 model? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What oil to use
A good rule when driving on FAME is to pick a lubricating oil with s high total base number (TBN), since FAME is consuming the base number much faster than diesel fuel does. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: [Biofuel] What oil to use Greetings, Are there any TDI owners on list. My owners manual says to use 5W30 oil, but I thought you were suppose to run DeLo in deisel engines. It seems weird to run ordinary oil. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] jatropha bio-diesel
What is jatropha ? Do you have another name for it ? Do you know the fatty acid composition ? Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: apccin apccin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: [Biofuel] jatropha bio-diesel dear sir can someone tell me about the property of jatropha bio-diesel compare to the rapeseed oil bio-diesel and palm oil bio-diesel? thanks best regards gorvans _ Are you right for each other? Find out with our Love Calculator: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=191191text ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Soap
Hell Pieter et al, soap making is transforming an oil into a metal salt. There are tables over the saponification numbers for most oils, based upon the average molecule mass for each oil. When using KOH or NaOH , it«s the K+ and Na+ parts that creates the soap together with the fatty acids of the oil. It does not matter if there are free fatty acids or not. In order to saponify an unknown oil correctly, you have to establish its average molecule weight first, but a good guess would be to use the molecule mass of palm oil, since WVO mostly has that origin. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Soap Hi all, The more I read the messages about soap making, the more I realize that I don't understand the principle of soap making. Can anybody tell me (or give a link) what exactly is saponification ? Do only the FFA's saponify, or the total oil ? If this saponification is well known, why isn't it possible to find out how much lye is needed in an unknown oil (mixture) like WVO ? If somebody ever found out how much lye one needs to saponify (is that the right word ?) for example olive oil, how did he or she do that ? Can't we replicate that method with a mixture of used oils ? Mike wrote that coconut oil could dry out the skin if used to much. Why does it do that ? What happens ? Why doesn't olive oil do that ? Somewhere I also read, that glycerin moisturizes the skin, but if one would use to much in soap, it would work the other way round and dry out the skin. Why is that ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making I have been making my own soap for about 14 years now. The only real secret that I have found in regards to fantastic foaming action of your soaps is the inclusion of coconut oil (c.o.) in your recipe. I am aware that a few of the more popular websites, and even books written on the subject, warn against using too high a percentage of c.o. because of its drying effects on the skin. However, I keep the percentage of c.o. in my soap between 20% and 40%, and haven't had any problems with excessively dry skin. Common sense must also come in to play of course. If you start with dry skin, you would definitely want to stay on lower end of those percentages with c.o., and increase the hydrating oils like olive, and settle for less foaming soap. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making Dear Legal Eagle, There is an industrial and commercial method of using refined glycerin for the manufacturing of natural soaps and detergents (and the harsher soaps too). As JFT advocates, there is a personal quest too - making your own stuff. In the industrial and commercial world there is a worldwide glut of glcyerin! compared to a couple years ago. I've been following this recently. But on the personal level, me thinks the idea of making homegrown soaps is pretty neat. It can be Family get together like making ice cream! Take care and good luck! --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What to do with the copious amounts of glycerine by product ? We can follow through with the seperation of the components an get a close to pure glycerine, providing we have a market for it, or we can use it to make soap. JtF has a few good articles on that too. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html I am in the process of experiementing with a couple recipes that, I hope, will give a fairly decent usable product. I have used some as a body soap and it works great, however very little foamong action and that is a problem in most circles, so I am trying three diffenrent approaches. 1) 100ml water with 10gr NaOH per liter of glycerine by product 2) 150ml water with 15gr NaOH per liter of glycerine by product 30 200ml water with 20gr NaOH per liter of glycerine by product Firstly the methanol must be removed/recovered by raising the temps above 65C (148.5F) and then the NaOH disolved into a little more than warm water. Once the glycerine has cooled a bit, to about 43C (110F) then mix in the water/NaOH while stirring for about a minute or two. Pour into a mold and let settle. How long will be subject of another post when I have it figured out :-) The first one has had two weeks to settle out anything that was going
Re: [Biofuel] SVI/B100 BLENDS
Hello everybody. It is not advisable to run directly injected diesel engines on non-transesterified vegetable or animal oils except in rather small proportions, 5%, in the long run. The glycerol part of the triglyceride molecule will form coke together with unburned oil. The oil itself has a high boiling point, about 400-450 oC, which is too high for any diesel engine, The coke formed will settle on the nozzles, the combustion chamber and the exhaust valve and its seat and possibly also prevent the upper piston ring from working as intended. The pre-chamber diesel engines are a little more tolerant, meaning that they may function for a longer time without disturbances, but it is all in proportion to the un-transesterified oil content of the fuel. There are in both cases a serious risk for lubricating oil contamination. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Hans Valcke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SVI/B100 BLENDS Bo, Here in the Nederlands is a firm that make all kind os chickenfood. The restmaterial is chickenfat and the drive the volvotruck with the fat. The only thing you must do is warming up the fat to 80¡c for good running your engine because the viscocity. Hans - Original Message - From: Bo Lozoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: [Biofuel] SVI/B100 BLENDS Hi folks, I hear from more and more people who are mixing SVO into their B100 up to 50% and saying they have no problems with it. One place in Greensboro, NC, is actually selling filtered SVO to truckers in 18-wheelers and assuring them they can cut the cost of diesel fuel (regular petro-diesel) by mixing the SVO up to 50%. Does anyone have any data or experience on this so far as injectors, viscosity problems, etc? I'm sure in the short tem it might work just fine, but I'm wondering whether there's a back end to it that'll bite you in the butt. Bo ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] SVI/B100 BLENDS
Hello John. Keep in mind that you are addressing two different problems of the SVO. Number one is the viscosity which is quite easily reduced by adding ordinary diesel engine fuel. Number two is the boiling point which will not be seriously affected if you add a liquid with a lower boiling range. The final boiling point of the blend will still be that of the SVO according to its proportion of the blend. There is a company in South Africa; Sybron Chemicals, which successfully formulated a SVO additive. The additive consists from soot-producing substances, such as different phenols, which are highly toxic and cancerogenic. Most ordinary injector cleaners are not able to cleanse the coke (which are polymers) from SVO or WVO properly. Some of them even create more coke. If you want a good additive you should contact Sybron Chemicals in South Africa and address Mr Coetsee. I have not had contact with these people for about 10 years now, but I hope they are still in business. Best regards Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: [Biofuel] SVI/B100 BLENDS It is not advisable to run directly injected diesel engines on non-transesterified vegetable or animal oils except in rather small proportions, 5%, in the long run. The glycerol part of the triglyceride molecule will form coke together with unburned oil. The oil itself has a high boiling point, about 400-450 oC, which is too high for any dieselengine, (REPLY) Don't really know Jan. Mixing with regular diesel or bio-Diesel should lower the boiling point. I even used a small amount of gasoline added to WVO to do this but when I added gasoline this caused the saturated oil to settle out so never used it in the vehicle. The coke problem may be solved by adding an injector cleaner. I am adding 1 liter of automatic transmission fluid to 400-500 liters of WVO mix. Don't know if this will do the trick, only time will tell. The other approach that others have tried is to make sure the engine is warm before starting with a block heater , running on straight bio or mineral diesel for five minuits and then switching to SVO or WVO and then shutting down on B-100 or Diesel.. I haven't started making Bio yet so every third tank is diesel with injector cleaner added. Only time will tell if this is the right thing. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] distilling fuel/reactant ethanol
Hello Jason and Kate, the reason for this is simple. The castor oil (unlike most other vegetable oils) is ethanol soluble. This means that most other oils will not do the trick. With best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] distilling fuel/reactant ethanol i pulled a paper from the library describing separating ethanol from water using castor oil. can this be done using any kind of oil, or are their certain characteristics of the oil not described in the paper? http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/eth_separate.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] American diesels
Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you concerning BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are prefering European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is that true, and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ? Jan Warnqvist BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Warnqvist;Jan FN:Jan Warnqvist ORG:AGERATEC AB TEL;WORK;VOICE:+46 11 33 53 70 TEL;CELL;VOICE:+46 70 4993845 URL;WORK:http://www.ageratec.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20060518T194543Z END:VCARD ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood
Hello Steve et al, if my memory isn¨t fooling me, is there a fatty acid fraction in tall oil. The composition of this reminds very much of that of soy bean oil. But it takes a lot of distilling and fractionizing to get this fatty acid fraction clean enough. Wood is more suitable for ethanol production I think. Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Steve Knox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood I believe that there is a company in Germany (CHOREN) who makes biodiesel from wood. If my memory is correct, they're getting about 60 or so gallons per ton. A major oil company has bought an interest in the company. Steve - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood Using wood as feedstock means using either lignin or cellulose, right? If so, alot of stuff could be made into biodiesel -- grass, weeds, cardboard, etc... Thermo catalytic cracking is the only thing I can think of that could do this. Unless they have some fancy microbes that can digest lignin and give oil? I also remember that in WWII germany was trying to distill gasoline substitutes from pine trees -- I thought this was more like turpentine though, derived more from the sap than the wood? I'm not an expert on this by any means, but perhaps someone else remembers exactly what they were doing. Zeke On 6/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone heard of such a thing? It says Wood-based biodiesel production requires the development of new technology. Are they on to something or are they still working out if this is even possible? Steve http://snipurl.com/r8b3 (2006-05-26) Hydro and Norske Skog have agreed to carry out a joint feasibility study relating to the production of biodiesel from wood. The intention is to identify the feasibility of establishing a biodiesel production facility in south-east Norway. Such a plant could come on stream by 2012 at the earliest. We consider ourselves to be natural partners as far as wood-based biodiesel is concerned. Hydro has wide experience derived from the construction and operation of major processing plants and from the quest to find new forms of energy. Norske Skog has considerable expertise when it comes to wood purchasing and treating wood pulp, say senior vice president Alexandra Bech Gjørv of Hydro and vice president Terje Engevik of Norske Skog. A technically superior product The production of biodiesel is currently based on rapeseed or other oil-based raw materials. Wood-based biodiesel production requires the development of new technology. Once this technology is in place, it will be possible to offer an even better product than today?s biodiesel. Today only a five-percent biodiesel tank mixture is available. Wood-based biodiesel will give us a technically superior product without such limitations. By using timber we can also utilize a much greater proportion of the raw material and considerably reduce greenhouse gas emissions compared with biodiesel produced from rapeseed or other plant oils. This means that wood-based biodiesel will be a an even more environmentally friendly fuel than today?s biodiesel, the two companies say in a press release. NEW ENERGY: Alexandra Bech Gjørv is responsible for Hydro's efforts to develop renewable energy. (Photo: Kåre Foss) Long road to completion The road to completion of a possible production plant is, however, a long one. To begin with, collaboration between the two companies involves a feasibility study that will primarily provide an overview of the technologies available in the market, identify the availability of raw materials, and create a realistic picture of the external governing conditions that must be in place in order to reach an investment decision. CO2 emissions represent a climate threat that affects all of us, and we can see that the political will exists to promote biodiesel as an environmentally friendly alternative to regular fuels. There is great potential for biodiesel in the market of the future, but if this market is going to materialize we are in need of a sound, long-term operating framework from the authorities, state Bech Gjørv and Engevik. Author: Lars Nermoen Published: 2006-05-26 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol for diesel engines
Just wanting to make some remarks . The Scania ethanol buses are running on a special ethanol quality blend consisting from ethanol (95%), a cetane improver called Bereid, which I am told is a polyglycol, and a lubricant. The injection timing is normal (approx 20 degrees before TDC) and all engines are equipped with intercooler which functions as an air heater when the engine runs on idle. Ethanol is not self-evident as a diesel fuel, but progress has been done. Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: FRANCISCO To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol for diesel engines HiEthanol is close to gasoline when referring to fueling energy to an engine. Therefore cetane number is low even though ethanol prefers higher pressure than regular gasoline. So ethanol diesel blend to be viable as fuel and easy the blending has to have two supports: cetane improver additive to easy combustion and a electronic/software combination which can adjust ignition timing and pumpin all the time. ( Please remember atomiztion is diferent also!) In order to reduce the amount of additive ( very expensive and it is like TNT - worsening stability) I assume they use some diesel so it helps ignition (Please note) This reminds me the natural gas/diesel dual fuel engine where the diesel is used as the spark plug and the electronics do the rest. Please remember when we have two types of fuel two explosions will always happen and in the case of the diesel/cetane improver/alcohol we might have three explosions and this is not good for the engine so in the long run efficiency is jeopardize severely.Hakan you are right: The cetane improver experiences with alcohol have been done a long time by Scania and in fact they tried to introduce this technology in Brasil. It is not used because it was considered too expensive. The consumption should be much higher than the 100% diesel ( energy content per mass and volume admission in the combustion chamber ) and considering the new refining technologies the emissions of the new blend should not be better. We still do not know the effect of aldehyde on the environment a please pay attention nitrates generates NOx thru exhaust pipe and aldehyde and NOx are always there when using alcohol. Also diesel engines do operate at higher temperatures and this can affect exhaust gases worsening emissions environmentally speaking.In my opinion we have to scrutinize this approach thouruglly and this approach it is not novel. I love ppo svo and biodiesel.very best fo rall of usChicHakan Falk wrote: Keith, If I remembered right, the Swedish diesel buses are running on a wood alcohol mix, with some sort of additive. In Sweden it is now more and more common that the buses use biofuel. Hakan At 18:47 07/06/2006, you wrote: Hi Tomas Hi, this one fuel combination is interesting. I've never heard about such possibility before: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/06/xcelplus_acquir.html -- Tomas Juknevicius Fuel-Cycle Energy and Emission Impacts of Ethanol-Diesel Blends in Urban Buses and Farming Tractors, (July 2003, 992kb pdf) http://www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/TA/280.pdf The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson Chapter 3 UTILIZATION OF ALCOHOL FUELS Diesel Engines http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual3.html Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined
Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future
Håkan, it is obvious that no patent or manufacturing lisence will last for one houndrad years, espcecially considering the development of the diesel engine. But Scania is the inheritar of the original diesel engine. However, it is not flattering for us Swedes to be so historically involved and possibly even having promoted the petroleum substitute for the diesel engine. Particulary not, since there is a common imagnination that the discovery of petroleum made it possible for the combustion engine to arise, because of the unique properties of petroleum. Jan - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Jan, Manufacturing rights as a whole to the diesel engine cannot be owned by Scania, only certain modifications that are done the last 25 years. It is no legal way, that I know of, to protect the original diesel engine for 100 years. The only legal way to protect manufacturing rights, is through patents and even they are not protected in certain countries. Patents are only valid for 25 years and the normal way is to patent modifications/enhancements to the original patent to prolong the patent protection of the most competitive product. Diesel might have had the idea as student, but he had financing for his development from the German coal industry. The contract was to develop his engine to run on coal dust. That is why there are always mentioning of coal dust, in conjunction with diesel. Kerrosene was at the time and today, used for lamps and heating. It is also a quality of kerrosene used for dry cleaning. The quality of crude that are economical for gasoline, will end before the crude suitable for fuel for diesel engine. If normal demand principles are governing the situation, the price gap between diesel and gasoline should widen in the future. It depends also on the space heating demands, where heating oil (diesel) is used for small buildings. Large buildings and Area centrals, use heavy oil and it will last longer than diesel. When we are talking of oil depletion, it is a very rough estimation. Certain oil products like gasoline are depleting faster than the generally used numbers. Oil products and their depletion is a much more complex situation. Hakan At 08:34 09/06/2006, you wrote: Yes, I am able to amswer some questions concerning Rudolf Diesel. He had his idea to his engine when he was a student of the technical academy. Once he had a ready prototype ( which was tested with several fuels ; gasoline, kerrosene and vegetable oils) he realized that he had to supply the fuel with the machine. So as a result of an agreement with Atlas Copco Diesel (member of the Wallenberg group) he had oil exploration rights in Baku, near the Caspian Sea through an oil company with head office in St Petersbrg Russia. This company was run by two relatives to Alfred Nobel, the founder of the Nobel prize. The aim with this deal was to obtain large qtis of kerrosene, which was the main petroleum product by that time. But then the Russian revelution came in 1917 and his rights were expropiated. But the time that he had at his disposal was enough to establish kerrosene as the main diesel fuel. The manufacturing rights of the diesel engine is now owned by Scania, which also is a member of the Wallenberg group. The question for Rudolf Diesel was not the fuel itself, it was to have access to diesel engine fuel, period. We are now running out of oil, but some really good alternatives are coming up in practice, don´t you think ? Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Mike The oil engine was in use long before Rudolf Diesel. Bit of chicken or egg. Did Rudolf invent the fuel? He certainly reduced the size of the oil engine principal to enable it to fit into land transport use from Sea and machine shop energy sources. I have been unable to locate any part where he actually invented the mineral oil known as Diesel oil. I can only find references to Peanut/vegetable oils in his early engines. Can anyone point me in the direction where he invented the Diesel oil? Prohibition was to stop home making of fuel or to stop alcoholic drinks or one was to cover the other? In history wood alcohol was included why? Henry Ford was a ruthless marketing and business man. (Read some of Edzels conflicts with his father before his early death). Fuel was sold in cans. How do you sell cars to people well away from fuel sources? Make them able to run on multi fuels, until Prohibition. The dates are about correct, late model T and early model A, AA and AAA. Note the model AAA (Triple A) was still run on ethanol as was not outlawed as far as my trips and research shows. The globe
Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future
No I do not have a connection to Atlas Copco, but I know a little something about Rudolf Diesel. Jan - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Jan, I did work with Atlas Copco as consultant in acoustics, when they developed the silent compressors. At the time I was employed by Stellan Dahlstedt, Akustik Konsult AB. It was very interesting insights in both diesel and compressor technology. The person in charge of their acoustic lab. was an ex. employee in Akustik Konsult. I tell you this, because you obviously have a connection to them. It was around 40 years ago and I moved out of Sweden almost 30 years ago, to work full time with CAD/CAM and network products. The final line of compressors became trend setters in the market and a large success. Håkan At 11:06 09/06/2006, you wrote: Håkan, it is obvious that no patent or manufacturing lisence will last for one houndrad years, espcecially considering the development of the diesel engine. But Scania is the inheritar of the original diesel engine. However, it is not flattering for us Swedes to be so historically involved and possibly even having promoted the petroleum substitute for the diesel engine. Particulary not, since there is a common imagnination that the discovery of petroleum made it possible for the combustion engine to arise, because of the unique properties of petroleum. Jan - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Jan, Manufacturing rights as a whole to the diesel engine cannot be owned by Scania, only certain modifications that are done the last 25 years. It is no legal way, that I know of, to protect the original diesel engine for 100 years. The only legal way to protect manufacturing rights, is through patents and even they are not protected in certain countries. Patents are only valid for 25 years and the normal way is to patent modifications/enhancements to the original patent to prolong the patent protection of the most competitive product. Diesel might have had the idea as student, but he had financing for his development from the German coal industry. The contract was to develop his engine to run on coal dust. That is why there are always mentioning of coal dust, in conjunction with diesel. Kerrosene was at the time and today, used for lamps and heating. It is also a quality of kerrosene used for dry cleaning. The quality of crude that are economical for gasoline, will end before the crude suitable for fuel for diesel engine. If normal demand principles are governing the situation, the price gap between diesel and gasoline should widen in the future. It depends also on the space heating demands, where heating oil (diesel) is used for small buildings. Large buildings and Area centrals, use heavy oil and it will last longer than diesel. When we are talking of oil depletion, it is a very rough estimation. Certain oil products like gasoline are depleting faster than the generally used numbers. Oil products and their depletion is a much more complex situation. Hakan At 08:34 09/06/2006, you wrote: Yes, I am able to amswer some questions concerning Rudolf Diesel. He had his idea to his engine when he was a student of the technical academy. Once he had a ready prototype ( which was tested with several fuels ; gasoline, kerrosene and vegetable oils) he realized that he had to supply the fuel with the machine. So as a result of an agreement with Atlas Copco Diesel (member of the Wallenberg group) he had oil exploration rights in Baku, near the Caspian Sea through an oil company with head office in St Petersbrg Russia. This company was run by two relatives to Alfred Nobel, the founder of the Nobel prize. The aim with this deal was to obtain large qtis of kerrosene, which was the main petroleum product by that time. But then the Russian revelution came in 1917 and his rights were expropiated. But the time that he had at his disposal was enough to establish kerrosene as the main diesel fuel. The manufacturing rights of the diesel engine is now owned by Scania, which also is a member of the Wallenberg group. The question for Rudolf Diesel was not the fuel itself, it was to have access to diesel engine fuel, period. We are now running out of oil, but some really good alternatives are coming up in practice, don´t you think ? Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Mike The oil engine was in use long before Rudolf Diesel. Bit of chicken or egg. Did Rudolf invent the fuel? He certainly reduced the size of the oil engine principal to enable it to fit into land
Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future
Nobel, the founder of the Nobel prize. The aim with this deal was to obtain large qtis of kerrosene, which was the main petroleum product by that time. But then the Russian revelution came in 1917 and his rights were expropiated. But the time that he had at his disposal was enough to establish kerrosene as the main diesel fuel. The manufacturing rights of the diesel engine is now owned by Scania, which also is a member of the Wallenberg group. The question for Rudolf Diesel was not the fuel itself, it was to have access to diesel engine fuel, period. We are now running out of oil, but some really good alternatives are coming up in practice, don´t you think ? Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Mike The oil engine was in use long before Rudolf Diesel. Bit of chicken or egg. Did Rudolf invent the fuel? He certainly reduced the size of the oil engine principal to enable it to fit into land transport use from Sea and machine shop energy sources. I have been unable to locate any part where he actually invented the mineral oil known as Diesel oil. I can only find references to Peanut/vegetable oils in his early engines. Can anyone point me in the direction where he invented the Diesel oil? Prohibition was to stop home making of fuel or to stop alcoholic drinks or one was to cover the other? In history wood alcohol was included why? Henry Ford was a ruthless marketing and business man. (Read some of Edzels conflicts with his father before his early death). Fuel was sold in cans. How do you sell cars to people well away from fuel sources? Make them able to run on multi fuels, until Prohibition. The dates are about correct, late model T and early model A, AA and AAA. Note the model AAA (Triple A) was still run on ethanol as was not outlawed as far as my trips and research shows. The globe was already controlled by the oil industry. Sloan, the most powerfull man at the time, could not perhaps change this or was in agreement with the oil industry. * Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp. In fact, when the diesel engine was first introduced at the World's Fair in 1900, it ran on peanut oil. * Two decades later, Henry Ford was designing his Model Ts to run on ethanol made from hemp. He envisioned the entire mass-produced Model T automobile line would run on ethanol derived from crops grown in the U.S. * Even in the 1920s, the oil industry had massive lobbying power in Washington. Lobbyists convinced policymakers to create laws favoring petroleum based fuels while disgarding the ethanol option. * Nearly a century later, amidst oil wars in the Middle East, Global Warming, and a nearly depleted oil supply, the U.S. government is finally shifting attention to fuels that are more along the lines of Diesel and Ford's original ideas. * In an interview with the New York Times in 1925, Henry Ford said: The fuel of the future is going to come from fruit like that sumac out by the road, or from apples, weeds, sawdust -- almost anything. There is fuel in every bit of vegetable matter that can be fermented. There's enough alcohol in one year's yield of an acre of potatoes to drive the machinery necessary to cultivate the fields for a hundred years. Whose water is it? *Learn more:* http://www.organicconsumers.org/2006/article_658.cfm http://alerts.organicconsumers.org/trk/click?ref=zqtbkk3um_0-ax332x3239551; ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future
before the crude suitable for fuel for diesel engine. If normal demand principles are governing the situation, the price gap between diesel and gasoline should widen in the future. It depends also on the space heating demands, where heating oil (diesel) is used for small buildings. Large buildings and Area centrals, use heavy oil and it will last longer than diesel. When we are talking of oil depletion, it is a very rough estimation. Certain oil products like gasoline are depleting faster than the generally used numbers. Oil products and their depletion is a much more complex situation. Hakan At 08:34 09/06/2006, you wrote: Yes, I am able to amswer some questions concerning Rudolf Diesel. He had his idea to his engine when he was a student of the technical academy. Once he had a ready prototype ( which was tested with several fuels ; gasoline, kerrosene and vegetable oils) he realized that he had to supply the fuel with the machine. So as a result of an agreement with Atlas Copco Diesel (member of the Wallenberg group) he had oil exploration rights in Baku, near the Caspian Sea through an oil company with head office in St Petersbrg Russia. This company was run by two relatives to Alfred Nobel, the founder of the Nobel prize. The aim with this deal was to obtain large qtis of kerrosene, which was the main petroleum product by that time. But then the Russian revelution came in 1917 and his rights were expropiated. But the time that he had at his disposal was enough to establish kerrosene as the main diesel fuel. The manufacturing rights of the diesel engine is now owned by Scania, which also is a member of the Wallenberg group. The question for Rudolf Diesel was not the fuel itself, it was to have access to diesel engine fuel, period. We are now running out of oil, but some really good alternatives are coming up in practice, don´t you think ? Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Mike The oil engine was in use long before Rudolf Diesel. Bit of chicken or egg. Did Rudolf invent the fuel? He certainly reduced the size of the oil engine principal to enable it to fit into land transport use from Sea and machine shop energy sources. I have been unable to locate any part where he actually invented the mineral oil known as Diesel oil. I can only find references to Peanut/vegetable oils in his early engines. Can anyone point me in the direction where he invented the Diesel oil? Prohibition was to stop home making of fuel or to stop alcoholic drinks or one was to cover the other? In history wood alcohol was included why? Henry Ford was a ruthless marketing and business man. (Read some of Edzels conflicts with his father before his early death). Fuel was sold in cans. How do you sell cars to people well away from fuel sources? Make them able to run on multi fuels, until Prohibition. The dates are about correct, late model T and early model A, AA and AAA. Note the model AAA (Triple A) was still run on ethanol as was not outlawed as far as my trips and research shows. The globe was already controlled by the oil industry. Sloan, the most powerfull man at the time, could not perhaps change this or was in agreement with the oil industry. * Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp. In fact, when the diesel engine was first introduced at the World's Fair in 1900, it ran on peanut oil. * Two decades later, Henry Ford was designing his Model Ts to run on ethanol made from hemp. He envisioned the entire mass-produced Model T automobile line would run on ethanol derived from crops grown in the U.S. * Even in the 1920s, the oil industry had massive lobbying power in Washington. Lobbyists convinced policymakers to create laws favoring petroleum based fuels while disgarding the ethanol option. * Nearly a century later, amidst oil wars in the Middle East, Global Warming, and a nearly depleted oil supply, the U.S. government is finally shifting attention to fuels that are more along the lines of Diesel and Ford's original ideas. * In an interview with the New York Times in 1925, Henry Ford said: The fuel of the future is going to come from fruit like that sumac out by the road, or from apples, weeds, sawdust -- almost anything. There is fuel in every bit of vegetable matter
Re: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis
Hello Doug, Andrew et al. Hydrogen gas has a fine heat value, which makes it very interesting as an energy source. However, as Doug pointed out, it will be necessary to obtain the energy for the electrolysis from an outer source, why not from solar cells, to make the energy balance favourable. Good Luck ! Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis What this amounts to is a really lousy, incompetent attempt at a perpetual motion machine. You have to put in the energy to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen, then you get back the same energy when they recombine. There would be no surplus to run the vehicle even if every stage was perfectly efficient, which they are very far from being. Doug Woodard St, Catharines, Ontario, Canada Just trying to pick the brains of the rest of the world This is pertaining to gasoline engines being run off of hydrogen from an electrolysis reaction onboard the vehicle. http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm What is the probability of this working correctly? Anyone done it? Thanks, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Question
Hi all, came across some info on Jatropha oil recently. The oil from some spieces is considered non-edible, but I have found no reason for it. Can somebody spread a little light on this ? Jan Warnqvist aGERATEC AB___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
Hello Ken, fatty acids are possible to esterify with an acid catalyst. The formed water has to be drawn off, so it is always nice to start with a low water content. Performed correctly, the esterification will produce 90-95% esters. Usually these kinds of reactions are performed twice for a good conversion grade. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process. I've read up on the two stage process and it looks like the above will take a two stage process with 71.8% FFA. Am I right? Anyone out there with some thoughts on the matter? Its free stuff for me although its only about 200liters monthly. Would it be better to blend it or process it separately? Thanks Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
No, if you are working with 100% free fatty acids, you will have to do the ACID esterification twice with water content evapoation inbetween With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Thanks Jan, So you are saying that Aleks Kac's two stage process is the way to go on this one? Start with the acid-based stage and finish with the base-based stage. That's doing it twice right? Am doing small batches on the single stage base process (about 100 liters veg. oil). Will blending this with new veg. oil make a difference? Been reading the Foolproof Method over and over again to familiarize myself. Looks like it. Much thanks again. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hello Ken, fatty acids are possible to esterify with an acid catalyst. The formed water has to be drawn off, so it is always nice to start with a low water content. Performed correctly, the esterification will produce 90-95% esters. Usually these kinds of reactions are performed twice for a good conversion grade. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process. I've read up on the two stage process and it looks like the above will take a two stage process with 71.8% FFA. Am I right? Anyone out there with some thoughts on the matter? Its free stuff for me although its only about 200liters monthly. Would it be better to blend it or process it separately? Thanks Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail
Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
Ken, the important thing is that you do the measurements necessary in order to decide how to proceed. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Jan, Ken, I have pushed the procedure to double the acid amount in the first phase, dewatered and went to the second phase (base base) in small batches without problem. I suggest testing in small amounts and working up a procedure that fits the product. This will take some time to do but when you get it you can get repeatbility thereafter. I did use Venturi acid introduction so that perhaps makes a big difference as well. Jim From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:48:10 +0100 If you have that much tri-glycerides you may most likely do one acid esterification followed by one base trans-esterification. Just check the FFA value after the first step after removal of the (acidic) water phase. If the FFA value is 5%, go as described above, in any other case as described before. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Thanks again Jan. Its 71.8% FFA. But doing acid esterification twice? Do you finish with a base transesterification after the two acid esterification? Please pardon my ignorance. Can you expound a bit. First time to hear about acid esterification twice. Appreciate very much your help on the matter. Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate No, if you are working with 100% free fatty acids, you will have to do the ACID esterification twice with water content evapoation inbetween With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Thanks Jan, So you are saying that Aleks Kac's two stage process is the way to go on this one? Start with the acid-based stage and finish with the base-based stage. That's doing it twice right? Am doing small batches on the single stage base process (about 100 liters veg. oil). Will blending this with new veg. oil make a difference? Been reading the Foolproof Method over and over again to familiarize myself. Looks like it. Much thanks again. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hello Ken, fatty acids are possible to esterify with an acid catalyst. The formed water has to be drawn off, so it is always nice to start with a low water content. Performed correctly, the esterification will produce 90-95% esters. Usually these kinds of reactions are performed twice for a good conversion grade. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process
[Biofuel] Merceds-Benz
Hi all. Did anybody experience or heard of anybody experiencing severe problems with MB CDI engines in connection with biodiesel ? Jan W -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20091017/d8f33aed/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Merceds-Benz
I had a colleague whose MB 320 CDI suddenly broke down due to suspected injection pump scar. When you ask MB owners about this they all say: Neverthis cannot happen with a Mercedes- Benz! As a MB owner myself I am very curious about other´s experiences concerning this.. - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Merceds-Benz Haven't really heard either way. I have heard lots of rumors about quite a few of the common rail diesel's having problems with biodiesel, due to polymerization of the biodiesel at extremely high pressures that those engines have, but I cannot remember any details or specific examples of any of them right now. And I don't recall what sort of biodiesel and what iodine numbers they were running. Z On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Did anybody experience or heard of anybody experiencing severe problems with MB CDI engines in connection with biodiesel ? Jan W -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20091017/d8f33aed/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20091017/89a2786f/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Merceds-Benz
Hello Keith, Zeke and all. If polymerisation is the issue should it be related to the oxidation stability of the BD. It should therefore be important to use anti-oxidants in order to improve the stability. The connection is higher pressure - higher temperatures - quicker polymerisation. And the higher the iodine number the lower stability. Sorry about that, ASTM. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Merceds-Benz Hi Zeke, Jan and all Haven't really heard either way. I have heard lots of rumors about quite a few of the common rail diesel's having problems with biodiesel, due to polymerization of the biodiesel at extremely high pressures that those engines have, but I cannot remember any details or specific examples of any of them right now. Maybe they're just rumours, but I think DI diesels might indeed have problems with polymerised biodiesel in the US. But is it because of the high pressures? Can high pressure cause oxidation? I don't know, but it's only from US sources that I ever hear that. Most biodiesel in the US is soy biodiesel, which doesn't need high pressure to oxidise and polymerise, it's a semi-drying oil, it'll polymerise anyway. The IV is well above the EU biodiesel standard upper limit. (See Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine, National standards for biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#biodstds.) The biodiesel industry in the US seems to be more are less in denial about this, but then the US National Biodiesel Board is a creature of US Big Soy. Hm, I must check how the US-EU row over the US dumping cheap soy biodiesel on the EU market is progressing. IIRC last time I looked the US was accusing the EU of protectionism, on the basis of what sounded like GMO-style substantial equivalence of America's soy and Europe's rapeseed oil, though they're not equivalent when it comes to iodine values and polymerisation. Rapeseed oil has a much lower IV and is much less likely to polymerise. Nonetheless, a lot of Europeans use anti-oxidant with their biodiesel, while very little anti-oxidant is used in the US, by contrast. Also, in the US most biodiesel is the NBB's commercial B20, a low blend with a lower risk of polymerisation, so they have to care about it that much less. They're never going to accept that soy could be anything less than ideal. I get the impression that, even if there is such a thing, high-pressure polymerisation could be just a convenient scapegoat for soy's shortcomings. Best Keith And I don't recall what sort of biodiesel and what iodine numbers they were running. Z On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Did anybody experience or heard of anybody experiencing severe problems with MB CDI engines in connection with biodiesel ? Jan W ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Merceds-Benz
hello Denise, I think that US BD is more or synonomous with soy biodiesel although it may be a myth. US is the biggest soy producer in the world and that is not a myth. - Original Message - From: denise farley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Merceds-Benz Keith, Just out of sheer curiosity, where does the information that Most biodiesel in the US is soy biodiesel come from? I was wondering too, since I cannot find the information even on the NBB (unless I am blind which is never outside the realm of possibility), where might be a good source to look for a list of currently operating biodiesel plant? Ours closed and is in bankruptcy and of the other two in the local area, only one is operating. We couldn't compete even switching to animal fats - and all those inherent processing problems. Of course, the one operating is big-bucks AGP and, yes, uses soy. Hmmm. D'ya think I might have sort of answered my own question here? Although I will say there is a soybean processing coop south of here that ceased production of biodiesel in their facility for at least 6 months last I heard. They sold their soybean oil to AGP during that period. Sigh. Thanks so much! Denise On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Most biodiesel in the US is soy biodiesel, which doesn't need high pressure to oxidise and polymerise, it's a semi-drying oil, it'll polymerise anyway. The IV is well above the EU biodiesel standard upper limit. (See Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine, National standards for biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#biodstds.) The biodiesel industry in the US seems to be more are less in denial about this, but then the US National Biodiesel Board is a creature of US Big Soy. Hm, I must check how the US-EU row over the US dumping cheap soy biodiesel on the EU market is progressing. IIRC last time I looked the US was accusing the EU of protectionism, on the basis of what sounded like GMO-style substantial equivalence of America's soy and Europe's rapeseed oil, though they're not equivalent when it comes to iodine values and polymerisation. Rapeseed oil has a much lower IV and is much less likely to polymerise. Nonetheless, a lot of Europeans use anti-oxidant with their biodiesel, while very little anti-oxidant is used in the US, by contrast. Also, in the US most biodiesel is the NBB's commercial B20, a low blend with a lower risk of polymerisation, so they have to care about it that much less. They're never going to accept that soy could be anything less than ideal. I get the impression that, even if there is such a thing, high-pressure polymerisation could be just a convenient scapegoat for soy's shortcomings. Best Keith ___ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20091017/f1fa8762/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Hello all. The Cuphea oil is similar to coconut oil with an iodine value of approx 17. This confirms its high content of saturated fatty acids, should as biodiesel create a nice cetane number. The catch could be the biodiesel final boiling point which should turn out scientifically lower that 350oC. Good or bad ? It would be nice to judge that from a report on the properties of Cuphea oil biodiesel. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hi Tony It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though. HTH - best Keith Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Hello Keith. Opposite your opinion, I am quite optimistic concerning the relation of cold properties/cetane number of the biodiesel. Palm oil, lard, or coconut oil do not have cloud points of -9 to -10oC. For instance, Palm oil biodiesel has a CFPP of +6 - +8oC and a cetane number of around 60. The cloud point is always higher than the CFPP, and the cloud point means less when it comes to driveability, especially since most additives when treating rape seed methyl ester can accomplish an improvement with 10o or more when it comes to the CFPP value. So I still find Cuphea oil biodiesel interesting. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hello Jan Hello all. The Cuphea oil is similar to coconut oil with an iodine value of approx 17. This confirms its high content of saturated fatty acids, should as biodiesel create a nice cetane number. The catch could be the biodiesel final boiling point which should turn out scientifically lower that 350oC. Good or bad ? It would be nice to judge that from a report on the properties of Cuphea oil biodiesel. The other catch is the cloud point, I'm not sure I believe the report I quoted that it's -9 to -10 deg C, especially not as you confirm the low IV of 17. More likely it starts to gel as soon as the weather gets cool, same as palm oil, coconut oil, lard, etc. If it does, then one wonders why it's being promoted in the US as a substitute for palm oil. Hot tip: invest all your bucks and your grandmother's life savings in US companies making pour-point depressants. Ref. Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine Further catch is that it's an awkward crop to process. The seeds are tiny, and they tend to shatter. Cuphea isn't really domesticated yet, it's more like a wild weed. Actually the biodiesel is just a sideshow, the main attraction is the caprylic and lauric acid, valuable industrial feedstocks, cloud point irrelevant. Industry enthusiasm, hm. In the US that means either B20 or B5, maybe a low cloud point doesn't matter if you're going to mix it with 80% or 95% petrodiesel. Best Keith Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hi Tony It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though. HTH - best Keith Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Acid-base chemistry
Hello Keith and all. The trans-esterification does not produce any water, but some water present (0,1%) is necessary to make the process run well. The acid esterification produces water with 1M /M alkylated fatty acid. This process will also perform trans-esterification assuming that there is some material to trans-esterify and that the operator in question lets the process continue. With best regards Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:58 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Acid-base chemistry Hello all A question... Even when everything is dry, including the oil, the transesterification process itself produces some water, though not very much. IIRC acid esterification also produces water, I think more water than transesterification does, and via a different process. Does anybody know if that's correct, and what the chemical equations are? With KOH and H2SO4. Thanks! All best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Acid-base chemistry
Hello Keith. Moles means molecules. There is one water molecule formed for each molecule of fatty acid alkylated. It is true that some water is produced during saponification of free acidity and it is also true that water is formed when mixing NaOH or KOH in an alcohol. But neither of these reactions are esterification or transesterification reactions.. It is considered that the transesterifiction reaction takes place in two or more steps, where the first step is the collapse of the glycerine-formed ester (the triglyceride etc) forming free glycerine and free acidity. Water is consumed in that step. In another step the new esters are formed where the equal amount of water is released. Conclusion: Some free water is good for the first step of the reaction. Does it make sense ? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Acid-base chemistry Hello Jan Thankyou! The acid esterification produces water with 1M /M alkylated fatty acid. I have difficulty with moles. I do know how to figure it out, in theory, but I'm not confident of the result. Would you mind writing it as a formula equation, if that's the right term: A + B -- D + E Moles gives quantities though, which I'd like to know. Is it possible to translate 1M /M alkylated fatty acid into ml of water per litre of oil or something similar? The trans-esterification does not produce any water, We've had people saying it does, and others that it doesn't. It's been said that some water is produced by the saponification of free fatty acids, though it's very little, and someone else said some water might be formed during the reaction that produces the methoxide: CH3OH + KOH --- CH3OK + H2O or CH3OH + NaOH --- CH3ONa + H2O Any comments? but some water present (0,1%) is necessary to make the process run well. I didn't know that. Can you explain how it works? I did know that esterification will also perform some transesterification if it has the chance, but it's slow. Thanks again Jan - all best to you Keith The acid esterification produces water with 1M /M alkylated fatty acid. This process will also perform trans-esterification assuming that there is some material to trans-esterify and that the operator in question lets the process continue. With best regards Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:58 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Acid-base chemistry Hello all A question... Even when everything is dry, including the oil, the transesterification process itself produces some water, though not very much. IIRC acid esterification also produces water, I think more water than transesterification does, and via a different process. Does anybody know if that's correct, and what the chemical equations are? With KOH and H2SO4. Thanks! All best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SVO Vehicles in USA
Hello Paul, maybe you know me from The Jan Warnqvist Methanol Test? I belong to that group of people that consider SVO as not suitable for diesel engines in general, simply because it is very difficult to have good function with SVO as fuel, even if the engines are equipped to handle that fuel, you will not be able to get over the obvious disadvantages with SVO: - High viscosity - (Too) High boiling point - (Too) Bad ignition properties - Unregulated content of metal salts which will generate deposits inside the engine. Biodiesel of good quality is a far better alternative, since all the biodiesel turns the above mentioned disadvantages to acceptable properties. And - the CO2 neutrality will be almost the same.so why go for SVO ? With best regards Jan W - Original Message - From: Paul Landis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 6:29 PM Subject: [Biofuel] SVO Vehicles in USA August 30, 2010 I am new to this list. I learned about SVO as Fuel from Keith and his great web site. I am NOT a technician. I am an activist who hates Oil Companies. I am looking to promote SVO as a capability here in the USA. Elsbett has people here in the USA and I have spoken to Taavi McMahon If any of you know people in the USA or are in the USA and would like to help let people know about the capabilities of SVO, especially if you have a vehicle that is so equipped, please let me know. Thank you. Paul Landis 50 Columbus Avenue Apt. F21 Tuckahoe, NY 10707 USA 914-771-9114 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100830/58ea8d14/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A metalworking question
Hello all, I just have to point out that castor oil was widely used as a lubricant during pre-industrial era and it was working very well. The reason for its absence nowadays is that the petroleum-based base oils in use nowadays (still) is cheaper. Anybody who is interested in how to use biological oils as raw materials for high-performance lubricants, feel free to adress me. Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Dawie Coetzee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A metalworking question Keith Or use some linseed oil, or this: Anti-rust Paint from Fish-Scraps - A short guide to the technique by M. L. Allen, Prince of Songkla University, Thailand http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/FishPaintJTF.pdf Interesting, thanks. Flax is a wonderful thing, isn't it? I've often said that there's nothing wrong with pre-industrial linseed-oil-based paints, and that 99% the development of paint technology over the past century has been about nothing but faster drying times. That and getting rid of skilled labour, as is the case in the rest of industry, not to mention agriculture. That sounds hopeful. But wouldn't hammering along the edge thin the metal and expand it rather than compacting it? I'd thought of hammering in the middle to expand it, hopefully making the whole thing bulge out, but I didn't want to make the middle thinner, and weaker. Maybe if I started out with slightly thicker metal. And, indeed, heat it to light yellow. That was my initial reaction at the time, so I went back and re-read. Indeed, one hammers onto a dolly on anvil where one wants the metal shrunk. I'd guess that the resulting compaction influences the thermal expansion characteristics, causing the compacted metal to contract more when cooling. But as I said, I haven't had the opportunity to try it myself. I've just done a quick search (heat shrinking metal) and, as is often the case with crafts, there are differences both of technique and opinion out there. The technique I've described is found more among those who wish creatively to form compound curves out of flat sheetmetal. Those trying to remove dents in fenders and doorskins tend to favour a higher heat, hammering just off the heated area, and quenching with wet rags. A circular domed part of a car? I can't think of one, but I'll certainly have a look. Try the front and rear corners (unfortunately the areas most likely to be damaged) or the rear corners of roofs. And don't forget mechanical bits: I've made damper towers out of water pump pulleys! Simplest of all, see if steel merchants don't have what you want off the shelf. It's surprising what they do have. Round pole caps for palisade fences might just be perfect for the job. All the best -Dawie From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wed, 3 November, 2010 11:29:19 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A metalworking question Hi Dawie Keith It looks to me, unless I've misunderstood the failed attempt, that you want a worked sheetmetal piece rather than a casting or moulding. That's right. It's just thin metal, like a tin can. I think anything much heavier might upset the balance, which is just right - as you walk the cans more or less empty themselves, you don't have to tip them much, if at all. And then the trouble would be to get the domed shape into it: I take it the shape is necessary for the proper functioning of the rose. Yes, it widens the spread, and some of the water goes up, which extends the reach. The first thing that springs to mind is to scour vehicle breaker's yards for bits of body panels that have a suitable dome. As you only need a small piece an otherwise irreparable panel might do. A circular domed part of a car? I can't think of one, but I'll certainly have a look. Otherwise one could start with flat sheetmetal and work in the dome using traditional bodywork techniques. That's probably my problem, I don't know much about bodywork techniques. The problem is that one would be working in ungalvanized metal, though one could cold galv it afterwards. Or use some linseed oil, or this: Anti-rust Paint from Fish-Scraps - A short guide to the technique by M. L. Allen, Prince of Songkla University, Thailand http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/FishPaintJTF.pdf To form the dome, heat a metal disc until a light yellow oxide bloom appears. Then hammer along the edge of the disc to compact the metal. You'll probably have to heat, hammer, and let cool a few times to achieve the desired domed shape. I haven't done this myself but have read somewhat on the subject. That sounds hopeful. But wouldn't hammering along the edge thin the metal and expand it rather than compacting it? I'd thought of hammering in the middle to expand it, hopefully making the whole thing bulge out, but I didn't want to make the middle
Re: [Biofuel] Season's greetings
In accordance with Keith. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 3:31 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Season's greetings Dear All Compliments of the season to all the Christians, happy solstice to everyone else, and here's wishing a happy, prosperous and wonderful New Year to one and all - everything you wish for yourselves. Have a great holiday! Regards Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions
Hello Seth. I think that the emulsion problem is caused by another issue that just the temperature itself. Any BD emulsion will break with the help of weakly acified water, preferably by sulphuric acid. Salty water (NaCl) is also an option. This will work assuming that you can have 20oC and that you have a reasonably good reaction of the BD. Have you evaporated the excess methanol ? With best regards Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Seth Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Hi all, Seth Macdonald here from Northern BC CANADA. I run a very small bio-diesel refinery with plans to sell/trade with local organic farmers this coming spring. This winter has been particularly harsh up here and I am having problems maintaining constant temperatures in my shop. This has led to a variety of problems. Does anyone out there have any ideas on breaking an emulsion with a large batch of fuel that will NOT separate from the wash water? I know, it should never have happened in the first place. Cross-contamination due to cooled glycerin in the processor lines is likely the culprit. Even though the product DID pass the wash test. I have tried heating and cooling, but it is taking a ridiculous amount of energy to heat 40 gallons of emulsified fuel and I can't seem to get it hot enough to make any difference. Any help on this issue will be greatly appreciated. Seth The Dredneck Macdonald Robson Valley Bio-fuels Dunster BC CANADA V0J 1J0 PH: 250-968-4411 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110217/b2cc2b97/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions
You are welcome. But have you analyzed the batch with the methanol test as initiated by undersigned ? That will give you useful information on the state of the batch. With best regards Jan W - Original Message - From: Seth Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Thank you for the info Jan. As far as I know the excess methanol has already been evaporated as the batch was heated (probably excessively) outside the shop in a barrel over a three burner stove! Glycerin layer has also been removed. I'm thinking this batch did not completely react.Perhaps incorrect titration. Thanks very much for the tip on using weakly acidified water. Seth From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 10:13:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Hello Seth. I think that the emulsion problem is caused by another issue that just the temperature itself. Any BD emulsion will break with the help of weakly acified water, preferably by sulphuric acid. Salty water (NaCl) is also an option. This will work assuming that you can have 20oC and that you have a reasonably good reaction of the BD. Have you evaporated the excess methanol ? With best regards Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Seth Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Hi all, Seth Macdonald here from Northern BC CANADA. I run a very small bio-diesel refinery with plans to sell/trade with local organic farmers this coming spring. This winter has been particularly harsh up here and I am having problems maintaining constant temperatures in my shop. This has led to a variety of problems. Does anyone out there have any ideas on breaking an emulsion with a large batch of fuel that will NOT separate from the wash water? I know, it should never have happened in the first place. Cross-contamination due to cooled glycerin in the processor lines is likely the culprit. Even though the product DID pass the wash test. I have tried heating and cooling, but it is taking a ridiculous amount of energy to heat 40 gallons of emulsified fuel and I can't seem to get it hot enough to make any difference. Any help on this issue will be greatly appreciated. Seth The Dredneck Macdonald Robson Valley Bio-fuels Dunster BC CANADA V0J 1J0 PH: 250-968-4411 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110217/b2cc2b97/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110222/8a4fc30c/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions
Biodiesel is not as chemically stable as gas oil, or water for heating purposes. High temperatures may cause the biodiesel to crack and form solids, so filtering is necessary to keep the circulation running. And the biodiesel will in each case loose quality in connection to heating. The higher degree of unsaturation, the greater the quality loss.But the process can be buffered by the use of anti-oxidants, preferably the BHT based. - Original Message - From: Seth Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Thanks for the tips Keith. the Journey to Forever website has revolutionized my family's life! Everything I have learned thus far about Bio-Diesel has been learned from going to your site and hands on experience. I've got a long way to go, but my community is now addicted to the concept of running on renewable energies! Thanks to all who have worked to research and develop the future of energy in our society. I'll send some photos etc. of my facility when it is finished. Another concept I am about to explore is using the biodiesel in my hydronic heating system thereby drying it while heating the floor of my shop.I installed an infloor pex pipe system in a concrete slab in the fall and I'm about to hook it up as the final stage in the processor. Once the fuel has circulated through the floor and had ample time to return to the reservoir and dry, it would be siphoned off as fuel, making room for the next batch that needs to be dried to take it's place. Only washed bio-diesel would be used for this. Are there any problems inherent with heating bio-diesel to 140 degrees? Seth Dredneck Macdonald Dunster BC CANADA From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 10:11:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Hi all, Seth Macdonald here from Northern BC CANADA. I run a very small bio-diesel refinery with plans to sell/trade with local organic farmers this coming spring. This winter has been particularly harsh up here and I am having problems maintaining constant temperatures in my shop. This has led to a variety of problems. You might consider this: http://journeytoforever.org/RSwoh1.html Does anyone out there have any ideas on breaking an emulsion with a large batch of fuel that will NOT separate from the wash water? I know, it should never have happened in the first place. That's right - emulsions shouldn't happen. Cross-contamination due to cooled glycerin in the processor lines is likely the culprit. Even though the product DID pass the wash test. And the methanol test? I have tried heating and cooling, but it is taking a ridiculous amount of energy to heat 40 gallons of emulsified fuel and I can't seem to get it hot enough to make any difference. Any help on this issue will be greatly appreciated. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html#emulsion Best Keith Seth The Dredneck Macdonald Robson Valley Bio-fuels Dunster BC CANADA V0J 1J0 PH: 250-968-4411 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110222/c2b2c20e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions
Hello Seth. Biodiesel is usually processed at as low temperature as possible, 60oC is almost ideal. Any temperature above that is threateing. The hotter the faster the crack. - Original Message - From: Seth Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions At what temp does Bio-Diesel start to crack? Perhaps it is not a great idea to use it in a hydronic system. If the Bio-diesel is only circulated for 24 hrs before being replaced by the next batch, am I still in danger of losing quality? Dredneck From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 11:27:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Biodiesel is not as chemically stable as gas oil, or water for heating purposes. High temperatures may cause the biodiesel to crack and form solids, so filtering is necessary to keep the circulation running. And the biodiesel will in each case loose quality in connection to heating. The higher degree of unsaturation, the greater the quality loss.But the process can be buffered by the use of anti-oxidants, preferably the BHT based. - Original Message - From: Seth Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Thanks for the tips Keith. the Journey to Forever website has revolutionized my family's life! Everything I have learned thus far about Bio-Diesel has been learned from going to your site and hands on experience. I've got a long way to go, but my community is now addicted to the concept of running on renewable energies! Thanks to all who have worked to research and develop the future of energy in our society. I'll send some photos etc. of my facility when it is finished. Another concept I am about to explore is using the biodiesel in my hydronic heating system thereby drying it while heating the floor of my shop.I installed an infloor pex pipe system in a concrete slab in the fall and I'm about to hook it up as the final stage in the processor. Once the fuel has circulated through the floor and had ample time to return to the reservoir and dry, it would be siphoned off as fuel, making room for the next batch that needs to be dried to take it's place. Only washed bio-diesel would be used for this. Are there any problems inherent with heating bio-diesel to 140 degrees? Seth Dredneck Macdonald Dunster BC CANADA From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 10:11:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Hi all, Seth Macdonald here from Northern BC CANADA. I run a very small bio-diesel refinery with plans to sell/trade with local organic farmers this coming spring. This winter has been particularly harsh up here and I am having problems maintaining constant temperatures in my shop. This has led to a variety of problems. You might consider this: http://journeytoforever.org/RSwoh1.html Does anyone out there have any ideas on breaking an emulsion with a large batch of fuel that will NOT separate from the wash water? I know, it should never have happened in the first place. That's right - emulsions shouldn't happen. Cross-contamination due to cooled glycerin in the processor lines is likely the culprit. Even though the product DID pass the wash test. And the methanol test? I have tried heating and cooling, but it is taking a ridiculous amount of energy to heat 40 gallons of emulsified fuel and I can't seem to get it hot enough to make any difference. Any help on this issue will be greatly appreciated. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html#emulsion Best Keith Seth The Dredneck Macdonald Robson Valley Bio-fuels Dunster BC CANADA V0J 1J0 PH: 250-968-4411 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110222/c2b2c20e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions
Hello Seth. Using heat exchangers is most of the time a good idea. Just keep in mind that they internally have to be acid resistant , at least down to pH 4, which corresponds to the acid constant of the free fatty acids, which you in any case will have. You are welcome and good luck. Jan W - Original Message - From: Seth Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 2:08 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Thanks Jan. I have opted NOT to use it in the hydronic system and decided instead to build a heat exchanger into the next phase of the processor instead. Thank you for the info. Seth From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 1:32:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Hello Seth. Biodiesel is usually processed at as low temperature as possible, 60oC is almost ideal. Any temperature above that is threateing. The hotter the faster the crack. - Original Message - From: Seth Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions At what temp does Bio-Diesel start to crack? Perhaps it is not a great idea to use it in a hydronic system. If the Bio-diesel is only circulated for 24 hrs before being replaced by the next batch, am I still in danger of losing quality? Dredneck From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 11:27:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Biodiesel is not as chemically stable as gas oil, or water for heating purposes. High temperatures may cause the biodiesel to crack and form solids, so filtering is necessary to keep the circulation running. And the biodiesel will in each case loose quality in connection to heating. The higher degree of unsaturation, the greater the quality loss.But the process can be buffered by the use of anti-oxidants, preferably the BHT based. - Original Message - From: Seth Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Thanks for the tips Keith. the Journey to Forever website has revolutionized my family's life! Everything I have learned thus far about Bio-Diesel has been learned from going to your site and hands on experience. I've got a long way to go, but my community is now addicted to the concept of running on renewable energies! Thanks to all who have worked to research and develop the future of energy in our society. I'll send some photos etc. of my facility when it is finished. Another concept I am about to explore is using the biodiesel in my hydronic heating system thereby drying it while heating the floor of my shop.I installed an infloor pex pipe system in a concrete slab in the fall and I'm about to hook it up as the final stage in the processor. Once the fuel has circulated through the floor and had ample time to return to the reservoir and dry, it would be siphoned off as fuel, making room for the next batch that needs to be dried to take it's place. Only washed bio-diesel would be used for this. Are there any problems inherent with heating bio-diesel to 140 degrees? Seth Dredneck Macdonald Dunster BC CANADA From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 10:11:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Query on breaking emulsions Hi all, Seth Macdonald here from Northern BC CANADA. I run a very small bio-diesel refinery with plans to sell/trade with local organic farmers this coming spring. This winter has been particularly harsh up here and I am having problems maintaining constant temperatures in my shop. This has led to a variety of problems. You might consider this: http://journeytoforever.org/RSwoh1.html Does anyone out there have any ideas on breaking an emulsion with a large batch of fuel that will NOT separate from the wash water? I know, it should never have happened in the first place. That's right - emulsions shouldn't happen. Cross-contamination due to cooled glycerin in the processor lines is likely the culprit. Even though the product DID pass the wash test. And the methanol test? I have tried heating and cooling, but it is taking a ridiculous amount of energy to heat 40 gallons of emulsified fuel and I can't seem to get it hot enough to make any difference. Any help on this issue will be greatly appreciated. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html#emulsion Best Keith Seth The Dredneck Macdonald Robson Valley Bio-fuels Dunster BC
Re: [Biofuel] Flex Fuel Ford Ranger and methanol
Hello all and Tom especially. There is a saying explaining that methanol is like ethanol but more. This is used to point out that the disadvantages of ethanol is more with methanol. I suppose that Ford is too mean to equip the fuel system for methanol.. Methanol is corrosive, even more that water. The engine will consume twice as much with metanol than with gasoline. And if I remember correctly, methanol has a higher vapour generating value than ethanol, meaning that it demands more energy to enter the gas phase, which can lead to cold starting problems. And during warm-up of the engine the methanol produces more of the even so corrosive substances, such as formaldehyde which also is poisonous. It is a well-known fact that most motor oils are not able to neutralize these corrosion agents, so one can expect an engine wear of twice the value than for gasoline. Apart from this is methanol an excellent fuel, especially if there was methanol from biological sources available. Best regards to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Tom Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 3:49 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Flex Fuel Ford Ranger and methanol In an earlier post I asked about using a methanol/ethanol blend in my flex fuel Ford Ranger. It has been brought to my attention that Ford recommends against such a blend: Do not use fuel containing methanol. It can damage critical fuel systems components. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Green Revolution Backfires: Sweden's Lesson for Real Sustainability
Hello all, sincerely Swedish I have never heard of this article. Neither have I heard any of the conclusions in the article. The truth is that people driving flexible fuel cars fill with gasoline if the gasoline is cheaper than the E85 (15% gasoline, 85% ethanol). It is also true that the diesel car sector has been growing rapidly during the past years. But that was from a very low level, seen from European standards. How that can increase the CO2 is a riddle. The big CO2 cut is however in heat production. The heat power plants producing hot water for houses and flats are nowadays almost exclusively burring CO2 neutral fuels, such as waste vegetable oils. I do not think that the article has been published in Sweden, even though there are, even here, strong forces aiming to turn the energy consumption back to only fossil fuels and - in worst case- nuclear power. I suppose they are fighting that battle in other countries too. Jan W - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Green Revolution Backfires: Sweden's Lesson for Real Sustainability Something is rotten in the state of Sweden. Or not. But I do smell a dead rat in here somewhere. We have studies from the U.S. that switching from petro-fuel to electricity for transportation reduces emissions, including greenhouse gases, even when the electricity comes entirely from coal-fired plants. However, in Sweden, the primary energy sources are hydro and nuclear (over 90% of the generation from those two sources). Fossil sources produce considerably less than 10% of the electricity mix. (This document is a bit dated, but presents the information nicely in a graph on page 2. http://ec.europa.eu/energy/energy_policy/doc/factsheets/mix/mix_se_en.pdf) So, Sweden is switching from conventional gasoline and diesel vehicles to electric and plug-in hybrids, charging from a grid that is over 90% supplied from essentially zero-GHG sources, but the emissions are going up? And, the actual market penetration is still trivially small - I'm guessing well below 1% of the total road-going fleet in the country. Doesn't pass the smell test. Unfortunately, the article doesn't bother to cite the evidence used to support it's conclusion. My suspicion: the Swedish 'transportation sector' includes something other than private cars that might be driving the numbers up (e.g., ships burning bunker C crude). Actually, after a very limited Web search, I could not find anything credible that looked like the 'evidence' for the article - just lots of copy-cat items that also did not provide citations for the desired data. I did find this, dated January 2011: http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/figures/change-in-total-ghg-emissions, which shows Sweden's transportation GHG emissions going up 9% from 1990 to 2008. The catch is that Sweden did not get serious about EV incentives until about 2008-2009, a time period not covered by the data for this report. Here's someone else's response (found while searching for the 'evidence'). http://dagblog.com/link/what-if-green-products-make-us-pollute-more-10581 (check the comments by quinn) Darryl On 11/06/2011 1:10 PM, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/06/10-3 Published on Friday, June 10, 2011 by CommonDreams.org The Green Revolution Backfires: Sweden's Lesson for Real Sustainability by Firmin DeBrabander What if electric cars made pollution worse, not better? What if they increased greenhouse gas emissions instead of decreasing them? Preposterous you say? Well, consider what's happened in Sweden. Through generous subsidies, Sweden aggressively pushed its citizens to trade in their cars for energy efficient replacements (hybrids, clean diesel vehicles, cars that run on ethanol). Sweden has been so successful in this initiative that it leads the world in per capita sales of 'green cars.' To everyone's surprise, however, greenhouse gas emissions from Sweden's transportation sector are up. Or perhaps we should not be so surprised after all. What do you expect when you put people in cars they feel good about driving (or at least less guilty), which are also cheap to buy and run? Naturally, they drive them more. So much more, in fact, that they obliterate energy gains made by increased fuel efficiency. We need to pay attention to this as GM and Nissan roll out their new green cars to great fanfare. The Chevy Volt, a hybrid with a lithium-ion battery, can go 35 miles on electric power alone (after charging over night, for example), and GM brags on its website that if you limit your daily driving to that distance, you can commute gas-free for an average of $1.50 a day. The Volt's price is listed at a very reasonable $33K (if you qualify for the maximum $7500 in tax credits). The fully electric Nissan
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and gasoline
Hello all. I wish to comment that like this: Gasoline engines are sensitive to water, too sensitive to accept anything but a very small portion of water containing alcohol in the gasoline. Any alcohol blend in gasoline should originate from anhydrous alcohol.The fact that ethanol in water is corrosive does not make it better. Some of the ethanol will drop a hydrogen atom to the water and create acid and an ethoxide ion, both are aggressive. The diesel engines, as a contrast, can accept up to four per cents of water without even long-term problems. But then the engine in question has to be prepared for ethanol as fuel, of course. Best regards Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Ethanol and gasoline Hi all Would someone who has David Blume's Alcohol Can Be a Gas! please look up something for me? I can't get at my copy at the moment. What does Mr Blume say about blending 95% ethanol (190-proof) with gasoline? Miscible or not? Thanks! Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and gasoline
Hello Keith and all. I agree with you to some extent. Gasoline is a non-polar mix of 100:s and 100:s of hydrocarbons. In order to be corrosive there has to be a) metal ions (Lewis acids) producing a low pH and b) water or other polar compounds in the system. Anhydrous ethanol stays anhydrous reasonably long assuming that it is kept in a closed vessel, preferably with dehydration air filters. No I have not heard if Absolut is into juridical problems. But me, I prefer Lithuanian Gold vodka or Wyborowa, so it does not matter. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and gasoline Hij Jan Thanks for your reply. What I was asking about is the 4% (4.37%) water in the azeotrope mix that won't separate from the water by distillation. When 190-proof ethanol is blended with gasoline, the overall proportion of water is even lower. Zeolite will remove the last of the water, but it's another processing step and you have to buy it, and how long will the ethanol stay absolute? I thought that today's engines were built to resist rust and corrosion. Gasoline is also corrosive. There's also this, in a previous message: Biodiesel as an anti-wear and smog additive for gasoline fuel is very encouraging. - Franklin Del Rosario, January 2004, Biodiesel in gasoline engines - scroll down the page to Biodiesel in 4-stroke gasoline engines http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#gas It sounds like a good ethanol additive too. Has Absolut Vodka been sued yet for making false advertising claims? :-) Since it sure isn't absolute. Is it still just as good now that it's French? Somebody once gave me a bottle of 100-proof Absolut, wonderful stuff. All best Keith Hello all. I wish to comment that like this: Gasoline engines are sensitive to water, too sensitive to accept anything but a very small portion of water containing alcohol in the gasoline. Any alcohol blend in gasoline should originate from anhydrous alcohol.The fact that ethanol in water is corrosive does not make it better. Some of the ethanol will drop a hydrogen atom to the water and create acid and an ethoxide ion, both are aggressive. The diesel engines, as a contrast, can accept up to four per cents of water without even long-term problems. But then the engine in question has to be prepared for ethanol as fuel, of course. Best regards Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Ethanol and gasoline Hi all Would someone who has David Blume's Alcohol Can Be a Gas! please look up something for me? I can't get at my copy at the moment. What does Mr Blume say about blending 95% ethanol (190-proof) with gasoline? Miscible or not? Thanks! Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer
Hello C Pinelli. Did you check the FFA and water contents on your raw material before processing ? FFA levels above 5 mg KOH/g (2,5%) will produce a lot of soaps, making the processing bad and the separation even worse. The water content will promote the soap production and will also compete with the methanol. The highest acceptable water content is around 1,5% and the lower the better. - Original Message - From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer I am having a similar problem, I have experience making ethanol successfully, but I'm new to biodiesel. I've been trying to get it right for some time with many many test batches, without too much success. I've followed the instructions as closely as possible, but still can't quite get it right. I use 90% KOH Flakes, a scale thats accurate to the hundreth of a gram, and am incredibly meticulous in my measurements. I've had mixed (but mostly good)results with the methanol test, but have never consistantly passed the wash test. Sometimes I get a very thick separation line between the two, sometimes I get clear water on the bottom with a yellowy mayo like substance on top. Sometimes it seems to have the reverse result, where it appears to be clear biodiesel on top, with very murky white water underneath. I've tried various amount of KOH and methanol, and varying my processing times, but I can't seem to get it down. As soon as my schedule permits, I'm going to try to get some new chemicals, because im worried that my lye might be water contaminated. Any help deciphering these results would be really appreciated. Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:51:30 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer Hello to all. I've made two test batches of biodiesel using new oil using the instructions on the JTF site, which I've read and re-read, along with many of the mailing list posts. I'm enjoying everything I'm learning, but still have a ton to learn. I also have a question. In both my test batches I've performed the quality tests recommended. The fuel passes the methanol test fine, with no glycerine settling out. When I come to the wash test, I have perhaps an eighth of an inch of white foam between the water and the biodiesel. It separates quite well though. I've tried to follow all instructions to the letter and I ordered my chemicals from DudaDiesel, so I assume they are a good quality. I assume the foam is soap. It could be that my measurements aren't precise enough, but if they aren't it's because of my instruments. I have been very meticulous in my measurements. I've gone ahead and washed the biodiesel from both batches, and they also have a lot of white foam, although they also separate very quickly. With both batches I've just kept washing until there's no more white junk and the water is clear. Does this take care of the soap (if that's what it is), or is there still something to be concerned about? Also, any suggestions on how to get that paper thin white layer instead of the thicker one I have now? I'm using new oil, what I think are quality chemicals, and I'm being as meticulous as I know how to be. As far as I know, I'm following your instructions to the letter. I thank you for your help, Ian -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110907/565c4278/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110910/ac803a3f/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer
One suggestion is that if you have a lot of methanol in excess, the wash test will form an emulsion, since the methanol is soluble both in water and in biodiesel. But it will pass my test. And it did ? - Original Message - From: Ian and Jubilee Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer I just reprocessed this last batch using 100ml of methanol and 5.5g KOH. It turned darker and there are little cooties floating around in it. Also, nothing settled out. Upon doing the wash test, it immediately formed an emulsion, although the methanol test yields a nice clear phase with no settle material. I am confused. I'm going to move on and make another batch, but I'd like to know what went wrong so I can at least learn something. Any ideas? On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Ian and Jubilee Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've let the BD separate for over 24 hours, which I thought should be enough time. My method for separating could be suspect. I'm decanting out of a settling bottle and tried to be careful, but it is possible that some glycerine sneaked past. I think getting a better set up going is going to make it a lot easier to be consistent. I just put my third batch through the methanol and wash tests and this time I've got some settling in the methanol so I think I'm going to reprocess it. The wash test turned out the same. Here's a link to a picture: https://picasaweb.google.com/ianandjubilee/Biodiesel?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCNSD4sbwsfyjYAfeat=directlink I also was wondering it our water softener could have an effect. Could softened water create more of a problem? Thanks for the help, Ian On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello C Pinelli. Did you check the FFA and water contents on your raw material before processing ? FFA levels above 5 mg KOH/g (2,5%) will produce a lot of soaps, making the processing bad and the separation even worse. The water content will promote the soap production and will also compete with the methanol. The highest acceptable water content is around 1,5% and the lower the better. - Original Message - From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer I am having a similar problem, I have experience making ethanol successfully, but I'm new to biodiesel. I've been trying to get it right for some time with many many test batches, without too much success. I've followed the instructions as closely as possible, but still can't quite get it right. I use 90% KOH Flakes, a scale thats accurate to the hundreth of a gram, and am incredibly meticulous in my measurements. I've had mixed (but mostly good)results with the methanol test, but have never consistantly passed the wash test. Sometimes I get a very thick separation line between the two, sometimes I get clear water on the bottom with a yellowy mayo like substance on top. Sometimes it seems to have the reverse result, where it appears to be clear biodiesel on top, with very murky white water underneath. I've tried various amount of KOH and methanol, and varying my processing times, but I can't seem to get it down. As soon as my schedule permits, I'm going to try to get some new chemicals, because im worried that my lye might be water contaminated. Any help deciphering these results would be really appreciated. Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:51:30 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer Hello to all. I've made two test batches of biodiesel using new oil using the instructions on the JTF site, which I've read and re-read, along with many of the mailing list posts. I'm enjoying everything I'm learning, but still have a ton to learn. I also have a question. In both my test batches I've performed the quality tests recommended. The fuel passes the methanol test fine, with no glycerine settling out. When I come to the wash test, I have perhaps an eighth of an inch of white foam between the water and the biodiesel. It separates quite well though. I've tried to follow all instructions to the letter and I ordered my chemicals from DudaDiesel, so I assume they are a good quality. I assume the foam is soap. It could be that my measurements aren't precise enough, but if they aren't it's because of my instruments. I have been very meticulous in my measurements. I've gone ahead and washed the biodiesel from both batches, and they also have a lot of white foam, although they also separate very quickly. With both batches I've just kept washing until there's
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
Hello C Pinelli et al. The lubricant industry is not very interested in bringing in new raw materials (e.g. vegetable oils and/or derivates) since there are standards on the final lubricants that have to be met. Taking in new materials may make it necessary to formulate new standards, which is a time-consuming and costly process, however not carrying that new standards is equal to lack of quality. In contrast to the petro fuel industry, the lubricant industry was awake concerning EU regulation proposals and managed to stop a proposal similar to the one on the fuel , demanding a certain amount of renewable material of the total sales. Instead came an EU regulation regarding special labelling of renewable lubricants in the EU, which they have to apply to get. I have seen nothing of this labelling out in the shops so far, and this regulation is since 2004 or 2005. So, similar to the biodesel industry, it takes new actors on the market to make it happen. With financial strength and patience, of course. I have developed a nice vegetable based two-stroke oil (which is among the most difficult to formulate, due to the high working temperatures) which is still pending for market introduction. So there it is. Any comments ? With best to everybody Jan W - Original Message - From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:56 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120120/43ebf1e7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about.-D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
Hello Keith and all. I can answer that question. A few years back I visited a company recycling engine oil and they managed to remove the inorganic content (water, metals, old additives etc) from the oil ending up with a clear and bright base oil which was analyzed as such (viscosity etc) and then sold back to the lubricant manufacturers as base oil. It seems that the base oil is very stable but this recycling should not be possible for indefinite time, since nature has its course, eventually cracking the oil into different other products. It´s a way of prolonging the life of the petro industry. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Zeke Is filtering all that's required? Filtering what, I wonder, little bits of engine that get worn off? Isn't that what the oil is supposed to prevent? By the time it needs changing, isn't the oil itself somewhat worn out, having been subjected to all that heat and high pressure? Just asking. Regards Keith Bio based, no... but I have seen, in the last few months, introduction of a whole line of recycled engine oils in the local auto parts stores here. I'm not really sure what the recycled content is percentage wise, but apparently it's using old engine oil, filtering all the bad stuff out, and adding back in the additives that have been used up. It's supposed to meet the same standards as new petro-based engine oil. Z On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about.-D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much
Re: [Biofuel] Tar Sands Report
Hello Keith. Glad to have you back. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tar Sands Report Hi Robert And then there's this... http://truth-out.org/news/item/8403-keystone-xls-dirty-little-secret Keystone XL's Dirty Little Secret Monday, 09 April 2012 09:18 By Jim Hightower, OtherWords | News Analysis The people and companies pushing the tar-sands pipeline don't want you to know that most of this oil won't be made into gasoline for our vehicles. It's certainly true, declared Energy Secretary Stephen Chu, that having Canada as a supplier for our oil is much more comforting than to have other countries supply our oil. He was referring to the Canadian tar sands oil that TransCanada Corporation intends to move through the Keystone XL pipeline it wants to build from Alberta to refineries on the Texas Gulf Coast. He and lobbyists for the pipeline assert that filling America's gas tanks with fuel derived from Canadian crude will cut U.S. dependency on the oil we get from unstable and unfriendly nations. Good point! If it were true. However, ask yourself this question: why go to the expense of piping this stuff 2,000 miles through six states, endangering water supplies and residents with inevitable toxic spills, when there are oil refineries much closer to Canada in the Midwest? What's the advantage of sending Canadian crude to refineries way down in Port Arthur, Texas? Aha - because it's a port! What the pushers of Keystone want to keep secret from you and me is that this oil will not be made into gasoline for our vehicles. Most of it will be refined into diesel and jet fuel and exported to Europe, China, and Latin America. The claim that the pipeline will reduce our reliance on OPEC is an outright lie. Such oil giants as Valero, Motiva, and Total have already rejiggered their Port Arthur refineries specifically to make diesel and jet fuel, nearly all of which will then be piped into tanker ships at the port and sent abroad. In presentations to investors, Valero openly touts its export strategy, even showing world maps with convenient arrows pointing from Port Arthur to its foreign customers. You'd think our energy secretary would know this dirty little secret and come clean with the American people. National radio commentator, writer, public speaker, and author of the book, Swim Against The Current: Even A Dead Fish Can Go With The Flow, Jim Hightower has spent three decades battling the Powers That Be on behalf of the Powers That Ought To Be - consumers, working families, environmentalists, small businesses, and just-plain-folks. Interesting reading . . . http://forestethics.org/downloads/FEA_Tar_Sands_funding_briefing.pdf Robert Luis Rabello Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Meet the People video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txsCdh1hZ6c Crisis video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZedNEXhTn4 The Long Journey video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy4muxaksgk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Used mustard oil is the new source of bio-diesel, thanks to AMU students
Interesting. Mustard oil have usually high levels of erucic acid (C22:1) and is usually disregarded by biodieselers because of that content. It is assumed that biodiesel with erucic acid is hard to comply to both EN and ASTM standards due to the increased boiling point and decreased ester content. The thumb rule is, that longer the fatty acid chain, the more difficult the alkylation. Would be nice to see some data from their experiments. -Ursprungligt meddelande- From: Darryl McMahon Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:18 PM To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Used mustard oil is the new source of bio-diesel,thanks to AMU students http://ibnlive.in.com/news/used-mustard-oil-is-the-new-source-of-biodiesel-thanks-to-amu-students/461853-3-242.html Used mustard oil is the new source of bio-diesel, thanks to AMU students Apr 01, 2014 at 07:21pm IST A group of engineering students from Aligarh Muslim University have succeeded in extracting bio-diesel from refined and used mustard oil, university officials said on Tuesday. Third-year students of the Diploma in Engineering at the AMU Polytechnic designed a bio-diesel extraction plant as part of the recently developed Alternative Fuel and Combustion Engineering Lab, said M. Yunus Khan, assistant professor of mechanical engineering. The process can help in directly replacing diesel in conventional engines, thereby reducing India's dependence on imported oil and emissions of various pollutants, officials said. Bio-diesel is a renewable fuel derived from vegetable oil that can be an additive to or entirely replace diesel in engines. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Keith Addison passed away
My sincere condolences to you Midori. Keith´s life work has been of immense importance to many people and we are all in debt to him for his comittment and doings. Jan Warnqvist -Ursprungligt meddelande- From: David Penfold Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 2:28 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Keith Addison passed away Sincere condolences to you, Midori, and anyone who knew Keith. He has been an inspiration and helped spark my interest in many alternative technologies. David Penfold ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as a motor fuel
Darryl, methanol is already used as motor fuel in Indy Car and Speedway. Metanol is similar to ethanol, but more. It means that of all properties that ethanol has, methanol has more of them. Methanol is slightly more corrosive than water and has an oxygene content of 50% by weight. The flash point is slightly lower than for ethanol. Incomplete combustion of methanol generates formaldehyde and other toxic substances. It is also known that methanol can cause wear in excess in connection with the motor oil , unless the oil is specially suited for methanol. Your vehicle will consume double the amount of fuel compared to gasoline and cold starts will be very difficult unless you add some gasoline to the metanol fuel. However, you can expect a very high fuel effiency if your motor is fully adapted to the methanol fuel. That is the brief version, I also have designed a method for purification of sulfate methanol (derived from paper pulping) but that technology is currently classfied due to pending patent. I hope this information did not scar you off, but increased your curiosity. Best Jan Warnqvisr -Ursprungligt meddelande- From: Darryl McMahon Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 4:03 PM To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol as a motor fuel In Canada, it is illegal to produce ethanol for fuel without a federal permit, and these are effectively never granted to a home brewer. I have been pondering the idea of using methanol (wood alcohol) as an alternative to ethanol fuel, but have not taken the time to research it. Has somebody else already done this, and can save me the effort? My recollection is it is possible to use methanol as a motor fuel, which is supported by this document. https://web.anl.gov/PCS/acsfuel/preprint%20archive/Files/20_2_PHILADELPHIA_04-75_0059.pdf I know that during the war years (1939 to 1945), a number of people ran engines on wood gas (the images of large gas bladders on vehicle roof racks come easily to mind). I do have access to wood waste and fruit waste material, but working space is at a premium. Also, the processes I see seem to be based on having process heat available (e.g., for pyrolysis). However, I don't think I need a lot - our third vehicle travels about 400 km a month, and I figure the methanol will only displace about 20 litres a month of gasoline at a maximum, probably less. I can buy methanol commercially, but in small quantities (retail), it is more expensive than gasoline. However, could be an option for experimentation in the vehicle before committing to home production. I also have not yet investigated regulatory and safety issues, but expect the latter to be manageable. Thoughts, experience, pointers to relevant experience or information? ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
