Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-11 Thread TarynToo
First let me say that I believe that violence is almost never justified and that terrorism has never(?) served the political purposes it was intended for. I believe that terrorism is a crime, not an act of war. A heinous premeditated crime, but different only in scale from e.g. armed robbery

Re: [Biofuel] ASTM, was ... Diesel Won't Solve...

2005-08-09 Thread TarynToo
Hi Mike, Can you (or others) expand on this please? How much of a fortune? I've been searching for info on the tax and regulatory issues of producing and selling BD on a small scale. I wouldn't mind joining or starting a co-op, but cooperatively-minded folk are thin on the ground in South

Re: [Biofuel] RE: jelly and jellybiofuel

2005-08-09 Thread TarynToo
Isn't jelly solid ethanol Sterno fuel? Or is Sterno made with methanol? It's hard to imagine that there's any energy advantage to jellied fuels over woody plants for cooking purposes, I know that many third world areas have extreme shortages of cooking fuels or firewood, but it seems like

Re: [Biofuel] Health claims, commercial speech (was Wisdom from the next generation)

2005-08-17 Thread TarynToo
I certainly agree that the FDA's efforts to label supplements as drugs is misguided. On the other hand, congressman Paul, by saying... The intent of that act was to allow the manufacturers of foods and dietary supplements to provide consumers with accurate and specific information regarding

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread TarynToo
On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:17 PM, Brian Ramsay wrote: Think about it. If the price of oil keeps climbing, the more oil Iran can sell means more $$ for them. If they are using their oil to run their own country, they are missing out on some big money. Also, it is good to diversify in

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-26 Thread TarynToo
Amen Robert! While not a christian, I've read many of the major scriptures of the world. While reading the Robertson thread, I was thinking how badly we needed to hear the Who would Jesus hate? Who would Jesus kill? message. Your message is so on target. The most important teaching we

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-26 Thread TarynToo
It's impossible to say Communism would've collapsed even w/o our help, since every state that has attempted communism, with few exceptions, has been destroyed by the U.S.A. and its allies using some combination of economic warfare, bribery and corruption, economic and military support of

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-27 Thread TarynToo
of 70%. Chuck From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:42:00 -0400 It's impossible to say Communism would've collapsed even w

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-27 Thread TarynToo
There are any number of people who are calling for Bush to be tried for treason and war crimes. We certainly don't want him to be assassinated! God forbid, we don't need any NeoCon martyrs here. We do expect that he and most of his cabinet will be hung or imprisoned after the trials

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-28 Thread TarynToo
, the only problems with medicare are those being caused by the new drug bill recently passed by the republican congress, which was a huge corporate welfare gift to drug manufacturers, at the expense of consumers and taxpayers. Taryn ornae.com -Mike TarynToo wrote: It's impossible to say

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

2005-08-28 Thread TarynToo
As quoted here, what I find interesting about the sedition act is the very specific phrasing: ..utter...abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States... In its first few lines the 1918 act forbids lying about the government and

Re: [Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Illusion

2005-08-29 Thread TarynToo
Hello Pannirselvam, Forgive me for taking exception to some things you said to Doug. I've assumed (perhaps wrongly) that you're looking at the works of the Catholic church in Brazil, from a Hindu perspective. It has been years since I last studied the Bhagavada Gita, but I continue to practice

Re: [Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Illusion

2005-08-30 Thread TarynToo
Hi Keith, et alii. On Aug 30, 2005, at 3:35 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Taryn, Pannirselvam Did you read this? http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003230.html Or: http://snipurl.com/hb3u [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers Who Would

Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft

2005-08-30 Thread TarynToo
On Aug 30, 2005, at 8:19 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: I totally agree. My only complaint w/ Linux is that after I install a Linux/Samba server, I never see the client again! I have servers running over 600 days. I make my living on (ick!) Windows machines. They blow up all the time. ROFL

Re: [Biofuel] US Intelligent Design Campaign and natural disaster hits oil prices.

2005-08-30 Thread TarynToo
Thank you Bob, this is too funny, Also have a look at these disclaimer stickers. http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/cpurrin1/textbookdisclaimers/ Taryn ornae.com On Aug 30, 2005, at 8:32 AM, bob allen wrote: no, no Mike, the real truth about origins can be found in the following:

[Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-30 Thread TarynToo
I live in South Florida, on high(ish) ground. Katrina came past and gave my neighborhood a teeny slap, on her way out to the gulf. Now 1.5 million people are homeless, jobless, and in shock, just from New Orleans alone. Entrepreneurs and businesses have always gone where the resources are.

[Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-30 Thread TarynToo
I live in South Florida, on high(ish) ground. Katrina came past and gave my neighborhood a little slap, on her way out to the warm gulf waters, where she organized into a cat 5 hurricane. Now 1.5 million people are homeless, jobless, and in shock, just from New Orleans alone. There's no

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams... Oops, double post.

2005-08-30 Thread TarynToo
Sorry, the earlier posting (20:35:45) is incomplete, I had no idea it went out until I noticed the double post on the archives. Keith, It's hardly important, but I wondered if there is a simple way to toss duplicates and accidents from the archives? Taryn ornae.com

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
Hi Jerome, I don't know about the energy conversion efficiencies of a wind-electric-H2/O2-hPEM-electric-load, but at first blush it seems to have too many stages to achieve reasonable efficiency. according to Amory Lovins, apparently an H2 advocate,

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
Hi, Juan and Greg On Aug 31, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Juan Gutierrez wrote: People, were there first and form there own local governments before the feds showed up. besides aren't people ultimately responsible for themselves or do you want the feds or corporate bigwigs telling you where you

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
The storage of energy by lifting water has a long and successful history. I think it's common for hydropower companies to use excess or off-peak power to push water up into the reservoir, increasing head pressure for peak demands. Hmmm... kinda stinks of perpetual motion eh? Windmills have

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
Why Bob! What are you saying? Everybody knows that magnets are an almost infinite source of free energy!* Here's a simple experiment you can do yourself: Find a bar magnet, stronger is better. wrap about 50 feet of very thin varnished copper wire around your finger loosely, so

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
Hi Marylynn, The perspective you add for Louisiana's early history brings it strikingly close to the Netherlands, in a single overwhelming facet: They built where they did because there was nowhere else to build. Where do you build if your whole territory is tidal basin, swamp and river

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:12 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? SNIP I'm sorry if you thought I was speaking only of the feds. When I said governments did this or that, I was speaking of all

Re: [Biofuel] Flywheel 'batteries'

2005-09-01 Thread TarynToo
If you're running a huge fixed flywheel for hours or days at a time, doesn't precession become an issue? Even with vacuum containment etc, don't the bearing get creamed by the lateral forces? taryn http://ornae.com/ On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:37 PM, Tony DeCarmine wrote: Evening, all - Jerry

Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread TarynToo
Hi, Kim I think that both HO and chlorine act as oxidizers, providing similar sanitizing effects, but I'm awfully rusty. Oh! Accidental pun, my favorite kind! And here in florida they use copper compounds to reduce algae growth in slow moving waters. As I seem to recall people tossing a

Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

2005-09-02 Thread TarynToo
Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with is there blame? I just love to blame stuff on Bush and his cronies. Except...I'm not sure that all the kings men could have put Orleans together again. Certainly, having pissed away the country's emergency resources, Bush is responsible for many of

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread TarynToo
In captions on news photos of Orleans: White people who were carrying boxes were 'scavenging'. Black people who were carrying boxes were 'looting'. Both the white scavengers and the black looters were collecting stuff that was certain to be a complete write-off for whomever owned

Re: [Biofuel] B100 and jet fuel

2005-09-04 Thread TarynToo
Hi all, I wandered the web for a bit and found these as well many others: http://www.ueet.nasa.gov/Overview.html http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/mar99/922773845.Eg.r.html http://www.google.com/search? q=commercial+aircraft+fuel+efficiency++turboprop While these don't give specific answers,

Re: [Biofuel] How close to this are we?

2005-09-06 Thread TarynToo
Hi Andy, I don't think we're close, we're there already. Not much doubt that neocons and fanatics have wrested the government from the people. What is horrifying to me is how easily it was done. Not only did almost half the voters in this country go along like sheep to the slaughter, but our

Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans, New Orleans, New Orleans!

2005-09-06 Thread TarynToo
Thank you Alan, I'm one of those people who focused on Orleans. You're absolutely right, I was missing the larger picture. So many of us have been outraged about one city, whether over the foolishness of living underwater, or the incredible incompetence of abatement and rescue efforts at

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality

2005-09-08 Thread TarynToo
Hi Chris, I'm surprised to see you take these positions, you've often disparaged corporate and government abuse of power, and spoken up for the underdogs. On Sep 6, 2005, at 1:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps that accounts for the difference between the way the government

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality

2005-09-08 Thread TarynToo
Hi all, Ok, I think I've finally caught up here. Chris, in your first post of this thread you were quoting those americans (excluding yourself?) who believe that the blacks of New Orleans are enemies of the state, morally equivalent to the 9-11 bombers? Then in your next post you said that

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power (was C-SPAN

2005-09-11 Thread TarynToo
Hi JJJN, On Sep 10, 2005, at 9:47 PM, JJJN wrote: ... Ok one last question about wind farms. I told someone that wind farms have the _potential_ of changing the weather if there is enough energy extracted. I was laughed at and got that look _Now I did say potentia_l. The laws of

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread TarynToo
On Sep 11, 2005, at 3:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that large arrays of wind farms would have an effect similar to forests. We've chopped down a lot of forests over tha last few hundred years, so this doesn't worry me. Tidal power would slow the earth's rotation a little

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread TarynToo
Really? Genuine scam? I read about it in Wired or Pop Sci, figured it was just a master's thesis, or some defense proposal. Taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 11, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: *Yeah, I invested in that. Ponzi scheme. TarynToo wrote: ... I remember some blue sky stuff

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread TarynToo
Weaver wrote: No, I was being silly! I prefer to blow my money building things like BD reactors or heat transfer devices for wood stoves! TarynToo wrote: Really? Genuine scam? I read about it in Wired or Pop Sci, figured it was just a master's thesis, or some defense proposal. Taryn

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-12 Thread TarynToo
On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote: I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on Wind Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had visited their Solar One Site and thought they might like to do something with wind. What

Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft

2005-09-13 Thread TarynToo
Hi all, Notwithstanding this list's rule that says 'nothing is off topic', it seems to me that there are already a huge number of websites and mail threads involved in the NT/XP/BSD/Linux/Macintosh religious wars. Would bringing such a thread to the BD group increase content levels, or just

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-13 Thread TarynToo
Hi Keith, On Sep 13, 2005, at 4:00 AM, Keith Addison wrote: On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote: I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on Wind Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had visited their Solar One Site and

Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

2005-09-13 Thread TarynToo
Hi Joe, that was nicely done, thanks. I've played it for my family and will share more. So who did the non-bush part? And who is JAFO? Taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 13, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Joe Street wrote: As long as we are Bush Bashing...here is a link to a song I composed for

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-13 Thread TarynToo
this scheme been tried at the small scale? Taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 13, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Leon Hulett wrote: TarynToo, Sorry, I can't help you with any vision of the Victorian or Scholastic scope of knowledge... But I might add a few things on the wind and my idea. I got a package

Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

2005-09-14 Thread TarynToo
On Sep 14, 2005, at 8:38 AM, Joe Street wrote: Hi Taryn; Thanks for the kind words.  The non bush part is Mr. George Galloway a scottish member of parliament who gave a blistering redress to the US senate sub comittee earlier this year who accused him of complicity in the oil for food

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-15 Thread TarynToo
Hi Zeke, On Sep 15, 2005, at 5:59 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: ... Even the new hybrids get lousy gas mileage, because the hybrid design is optimized for adding power, not increasing mileage like the insight and prius were. ... Oh man, this just burns my a*s. I was so excited a few years ago

Re: [Biofuel] pussy makes car Purrrrrr

2005-09-16 Thread TarynToo
Hi Alex, On Sep 16, 2005, at 5:36 AM, alex burton wrote: I May well be wrong and i hope so ... I am not anti german in anyway. I am more asking the question if the lepard  tanks that had such  deverstating power were run on a fuel that may have been human fat. This hole concept sickens

Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel-electric hybrids - was Debatable Statement

2005-09-18 Thread TarynToo
On Sep 17, 2005, at 10:05 PM, Darryl McMahon wrote: TarynToo wrote: ( http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg55383.html ) snip The only way to get a diesel electric hybrid in this country is to build it yourself. I swear, before, I'm dead, I'm going to build

[Biofuel] Oh man, here comes Rita

2005-09-23 Thread TarynToo
A few weeks ago, before the systematic failure of rescue and recovery efforts became evident, I was puzzling over human foolishness in the face of the incredible forces of nature. http://ornae.com/35/katrina-slams-new-orleans-is-there-blame Shortly thereafter, the Katrina story became

Re: [Biofuel] Soylent Green, was Postmortem Residence

2005-09-26 Thread TarynToo
On Sep 26, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Zeke and all,   Wow, it's been years since I saw that movie. That was Edward G. Robinson's last flick. Lot's of things are applicable to today's peak oil problem. Since it had a great storyline I have to think it was a book at some time

Re: [Biofuel] $50 universal digital tool, was $150 ebook machine

2005-09-30 Thread TarynToo
I'm sure the Jinke readers have a great (or at least large) display, but they're too big, too single purpose, and too proprietary. I've been using Palm devices to read etexts for years. Right now my Palm contains a few of Mark Twain's books, a Terry Pratchett novel, both volumes of Democracy

Re: [Biofuel] 12% renewable energy in electrical production by 2025

2010-06-14 Thread TarynToo
Darryl, Just wanted to commend you on your excellent and well organized proposals. Act locally about energy is your overarching theme, and I absolutely agree. Grand schemes always seem to lead to grand corruption. Local closed resource loops usually make the most sense, whether for food,