This was posted to the Mercedes diesel mailing list today:
Craig
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:30:56 -0400
From: David Bruckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [DIESEL] Re: Biodiesel...
Gang,
I recently went to tour the Biox (http://www.bioxcorp.com/) biodiesel
plant near Toronto. Their process is quite different from the usual
methanol/lye system.
Subject:
[Biodiesel] Help needed
Date:
Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:36:51 EDT
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I have several questions about bio diesel and waste vegetable oil, and I
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Good job, Kieth!
Craig
Keith Addison wrote:
I wrote to Ryan Walker and got a very positive response from him,
he's very willing to listen and has already changed his site.
So please hold off sending him a blasting, it's well in hand and
it'll end well for biodiesel. I'll keep the list
I'm using a Holley electric fuel pump at the SVO/WVO tank, but it's not
cheap - I'm using something that a buddy who builds race cars for a living
uses to pump gear oil to a cooler - so this particular Holley will withstand
temps to 200 degrees and fluids of higher viscosity than gasoline or
Anyone know where to buy some?
Thanks,
Craig
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Keith,
Check out http://www.aquamist.co.uk/dc/dc.html and click on the
References button, which will direct you to some research paper links
on water injection in diesel engines.
I think that while water in your dinodiesel, biodiesel, SVO or WVO is a
bad thing, and the reason that Racor and
Keith,
I was out of town, just checked my older email threads - and found this.
The systems (Aqua-Mist is the one I've seen explained on the web) seem
pretty simple, and I think they're good for power and cooling - I don't
remember seeing anything about lowering emissions.
My understanding is
to give away their oil instead of paying to have it hauled - and
that they and you are willing to chance flying under the regulatory radar.
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with
synthetic, with straight vegetable oil - either new oil or filtered fry oil,
with the installation of a 2nd heated tank.
Craig Reece
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Someone in this group mentoned a diesel motor for an auto that is being
produced somewhere in Europe capable of providing 60 miles per
a kit
for, I think, $750.
Craig Reece
Thor Skov wrote:
I was at a Biodiesel conference in Seattle recently
and met a man selling propane boosters for diesel
engines. This system consists of a propane cylinder
and a pump/injector to mix the fuels. The amount you
use can be controlled
Thor,
The website for the propane injection kit is
www.dieselperformanceproducts.com
Is the kit your acquaintance was selling?
Craig
You wrote:
I was at a Biodiesel conference in Seattle recently
and met a man selling propane boosters for diesel
engines. This system consists of a propane
Very good price if it doesn't need major work - which is expensive on Mercedes
(everything is expensive on a Mercedes - except for the fuel if you make your
own or use fry oil.)
I'd take it to a good independent Mercedes shop and pay them to check it out
thoroughly.
Craig Reece
Martin
Woiks for me.
Craig Reece
Pip J. Patton wrote:
Hello all,
I tried to use this URL, but it didn't work. Anyone know why?
On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 09:33:19 -0700 Ian Main [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know if this has already been posted or not, but there's a
fellow
who made one
I can get 5 gallons of soy oil in Berkeley - at Smart and Final - sort of small
Costco-type place - for $11/gallon - about $2.25/gallon. So I can't understand
the post about 55 gals. being so much. I'd have thought that it would be well
under $2.00 a gallon. Maybe olive oil would be so high, but
It's occured to me that this would be a perfect application for biodiesel.
Ditto for emergency backup generators for big computer server farms, etc. -
most ot the generators are diesel anyway.
Craig Reece
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Hello group
I'm trying to find out what can be done to reduce
An update - apparently soy oil prices have increased since I got the quote
(below.) The best price I can get for soy oil in the SF Bay Area is now
$2.91/gallon, and that's buying 55 gallons. Waste fry oil is looking better all
the time.
Craig
Craig Reece wrote:
I can get 5 gallons of soy oil
Most opinions I've heard are that biodiesel and SVO (straight vegetable oil -
whether new or waste fryer oil) are better for the engine due to superior
lubricity over the new low-sulphour diesel fuel.
Craig Reece
NBT - E. Beggs wrote:
Fuels can be produced from vegetable oil esters
than
what the utility companies sell electricity for.
Good luck!
Craig Reece
eric almanzan wrote:
occasionally I will get an idea, and the most recent
one that popped into my head was creating indepencence
from your local power provider, and even selling the
excess back to them. I would like
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[Biodiesel] Help needed
Date:
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I have several questions about bio diesel and waste vegetable oil, and I
of power. I know that the non-turbo
6.5 has 290# of torque and 175 HP - so the turbo might approach 300 HP in
stock form - and could certainly get there easily with a large intercooler
and a free-flowing exhaust.
Craig Reece
Olsen Eric (app1ebo) wrote:
You say its not hard. Improved breathing
in November on making biodiesel and on the conversion
to be able to run SVO - there was an announcement earlier this month, but
the time of the workshop has been rescheduled.
Let me know if any of this is interesting.
Craig Reece
light as a feather wrote:
Santa Cruz, California (just south
Good thinking - like the heavy wire enclosures they stick on ventilating
fans.
Craig
light as a feather wrote:
isn't there anyway to shield? Some sort of enclosure or something? It
seems an awfully sad reason to blow off wind power all together...
sarah
Anton,
If you have any more info on the Livermore co-op, I'd love to hear about it.
Thanks,
Craig
(in Berkeley)
Anton Berteaux wrote:
there is a coop start ing in livermore, I may be starting one in the davis
area, and I think there is one on the coast near the lost coast... is there
info
TC,
Thanks! It's sharing knowledge like this that makes the internet so great, and
so powerful!
Craig Reece
Dr.T.C.Chandran wrote:
Dear Friends!
I think it is a very good idea to start a co operative for biofuel. I was
involved with a milk co operative in India which is now the largest
Harmon,
CytoCulture in Richmond, CA, is selling 100% biodiesel (made from fry oil
and rendered animal carcasses) at the pump (cardlock station for commercial
accounts only) in San Francisco, for $3.10 a gallon - with hopes to be able
to lower the price to $2.50 soon. They're also planning a
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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] running
Alan,
I checked with some of our local bioD resellers, and there was at least
one bad batch from Griffin. I'd contact Griffin about it - maybe they'll
comp you some good fuel for your trouble. Here in N. California, Yokayo
Biofuels went the extra mile when they sold some funky bioD, and
As well as air in the system, which can be exacerbated by excess vacuum
caused by overly-thick biodiesel, and also caused by water in the system
- as found via a blown head gasket, as you point out, or by water in a
bad batch of biodiesel.
I'd just drain it all out, see what it looks like,
.
The guy in Berkeley who runs olive oil in his '98 Mercedes is not
currently heating his olive oil - something that we don't recommend.
Craig Reece
On Apr 16, 2004, at 8:34 AM, John Blackmer wrote:
does anyone know anything about www.elsbett.com ?
it claims that a one-tank SVO is posssible
Hi Keith,
You wrote:
Actually I'm not sure they're comparable, your kit and Elbett's. The
main cost component of your single-tank kit seems to be the Vormax
filter, is that right? Perhaps the Vormax is in itself a better
filter, but I don't think that means that Elsbett's filtering is
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were selling it under the table, or not paying road tax.)
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the proper taxes? Or is it under the table? Is their fuel
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Yes they are. I've converted a 6.2, and have two friends with
conversions on the Chevy/GM diesel - another 6.2 and a 6.5.
You'll want to go two-tank, and heat and filter the oil well, since the
Stanadyne pumps can't handle overly viscous fuel and/or dirty fuel.
Craig
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Hakan,
You wrote:
What's interesting in Ryan's post is the assumption that colonizing
what is now the United States is seen as being the only way anyone
(other than the former inhabitants, that is) could've possibly
directly benefitted. That is, there is apparently no way to share the
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Martin,
I have an '83 300TD wagon, and it runs great on biodiesel. Just change
the clear pre-filter and the large spin-on fuel filter after you've run
a couple of tanks of bioD - the bioD with it's excellent solvent action
will clean out dinodiesel sludge in your tank and clog your filters.
James,
Try looking under Grainger or call the Berkeley store - it's
510-653-7200. Or www.grainger.com
Craig
James Slayden wrote:
on this note, Mark mentioned that granger is down this way (south
bay),
but I can't seem to find a listing in the phone book. Anyone know
directly their
Hakan,
What we Americans call gas, or gasoline, the British (and perhaps
others) call petrol.
Craig
Hakan Falk wrote:
No, he means gas, since Juan was writing about gas engine.
Yes, if you want to run a gasoline engine in injection mode
for gas, it will work fine. Only a slight language
Ken,
I've built a couple of outbuildings on my lot in Berkeley using
corrugated steel roofing, and I just used conventional rafters with
purlins - 2x4's in one case, 3x6's in the other - running at right
angles to, and on top of, the rafters to support the corrugated. Very
easy to do, and the
Bruce,
Funny you should ask. I just asked my local smog guy if he'd check my
Mercedes for smog, and he was worried that diesel emissions would plug
up his equipment. I plan to call a truck place - I've heard that some
of them may have equipment to test for NOx - most smog stations don't,
Caroline,
We're planning on heating our house with hydronic (hot water) radiators
- plumbed with copper under the (wood) subfloor. Obviously not an option
for you - you've already got a hydronically-heated slab. I'm hoping to
heat the water with biodiesel or WVO. There are several companies that
A salamander is a type of gas-fired restaurant broiler that has an open
top - that is, unlike a normal broiler for home use, where the broiler
is is the oven, a salamander is a stand-alone broiler with an exposed
flame - perfect for warming up cold engine - sort of..
Craig
Bryan Fullerton
Curtis,
Thanks for that amazingly clear explanation. You've made a compelling
case for the place of batteries in a genset-based system.
It seems to me that what you've said about gensets need to run at full
power- if any kind of fuel mileage is to be had anyway - means that
WVO or SVO as fuels
James,
There's one for $1450 - with a 4 speed, which allows it to get out of
it's own way - on craig'slist right now. That's a lot more than $500,
but it's a one-owner and an '83 (last year made.)
I'll send it to you.
Craig
James Slayden wrote:
Craig,
You serious about getting a 240D
Mark,
you wrote:.
snip
I've found in talking to people about it that this is a point that
undertrained people sometimes miss- Gray for instance had a long flush
cycle on his truck, and had a number of times and for various reasons
shut
down (and cooled his truck completely) on an
Darren,
Thanks so much for all of this! Very useful information.
Craig
Darren wrote:
Posted this on yahoogroups vegoil-diesel
May be of interest to people here who are not there (?)
Darren Hill
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Todd,
What's CHP? And - does anyone know if these would qualify for
California's rebates (that are in place for PV systems - up to 50% of
cost is rebated.)
Craig
Appal Energy wrote:
Rumour has it ~$30,000 per unit. They can be set up for CHP.
Waste exhaust is monoxide free enough to feed
on PV, Wind, alternative fuels, and
hydro. Lemme look further. BTW, this is only for businesses.
James Slayden
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, craig reece wrote:
Todd,
What's CHP? And - does anyone know if these would qualify for
California's rebates (that are in place for PV systems - up to 50
James,
Thanks a bunch - I'll check it out. I have a client who's thinking of
installing a diesel genset -which I'd convert to run on WVO, it says
here - for his tile warehouse and offices - but if the Capstone turbine
would run on bioD or WVO *and* get the State of California rebates, that
would
Robin,
Looks like Mark can make biodiesel with it, so you've gotten that
answer. In case you're considering using it for a straight vegetable oil
conversion, I would say sure to that as well, provided you provide your
vehicle with some good dependable in-tank heating. I'd recommend the
Webb
Thanks, Todd.
Craig
Appal Energy wrote:
CHP - Continual Heat Power. Power from direct drive or steam
generation. Secondary heat from waste exhaust or spent steam heat
exchange and recovery.
They probably qualify for a rebate somewhere if you're using
landfill gas or biomass (producer
Heidi,
I'd love to see/hear details of your friend's WVO heaters, and details
on his use of WVO in a generator.
Thanks!
Craig
heidinem wrote:
I have just been a lurker here until now. I have a vegetable oil
fueled car which a friend converted for me and don't really
understand much
for a man that saw it coming a long time ago, I
thought.
Good luck getting settled in.
Craig
Keith Addison wrote:
I hope you don't mind if I cross-post this Craig - it seems to be
travelling quite well! (The message as well as the Merc.)
Best
Keith
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Oops! I thought Keith had written to me off-list, and meant to reply
off-list. Sorry about the extremely OT chatter about Doug Lummis, etc!
Craig
Keith Addison wrote:
I hope you don't mind if I cross-post this Craig - it seems to be
travelling quite well! (The message as well as the Merc.)
Mark (and Darren,)
I think that cold oil in the fuel injection pump isn't a problem because
of gumming - it's only a problem if the cold oil's still cold when it
reaches the combustion chamber, or the pre-combustion chamber. Elsbett
gets around this cold oil problem in two ways - via the
that offer to you personally? I meant to send it to the
group. I will get the hang of this eventually. It was easier to lurk
though.
OK I will ask him for details on the heaters and generator and let
you know what he says.
Heidi
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Mark (and Bill,)
A quick Google search revealed that inhaling methanol has not affected
Mark's brain one little bit:
Tucson Guide to Automotive : Parts and Supplies
... Don's Hot Rod Shop. 520-884-8892 2811 N Stone Ave Tucson, AZ 85705.
...
Craig
girl_mark_fire wrote:
Where the Bill In
Nope - it was used on a deck.
Craig
Jim Raddon wrote:
Hi,
I seem to remember reading about someone using biodiesel as a wood
treatment, but I can't find the message. Was I just dreaming?
Jim
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Alexander Noack, the senior engineer with Elsbett, was in town about a
month ago to discuss possible summer workshops in Northern California -
where they sell most of their US-bound kits.
He's doing one in Santa Rosa the last weekend in June, and if there's
enough interest, he'll stick
Keith,
Oops.
I've had trouble pasting long URL's into my browser's window, so I
wanted to spare others this kinda grief - and the original URL was
really long. Am I the only one that has such problems? I've noticed some
people will post a blue hypertext Here (usually underlined) and you
click
want it now !
whereby the 'now' contains the hypertext link
and clicking on 'now' would work in the same
way as the 'Click Here' that you mentioned.
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Keith,
Oops.
I've had trouble pasting long URL's into my
That *is* scary!
Craig
Greg and April wrote:
Big Brother at his worst.
Greg H.
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This is really scary. Now you can see anyone's Drivers License
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I'm running commercial biodiesel in my '87 Mercedes 3L turbodiesel, and
it loves it. The turbo is oiled by the engine oil, so using a good
synthetic diesel oil (I use Mobil's Delvac I) and letting the engine
warm up a little before hammering the turbo, and cool down a minute
before your shut off
I did a Google search on them once, and there's an company in India that
makes them, and the British Army is working on one, and someone's working on
a diesel/electric hybrid motorcycle.
Craig
Greg and April wrote:
I just had a thought, does anyone know of a motorcycle that uses diesel,
Curtis,
Answering for Keith while not wishing to detract one bit from the praise
due him for his awesome research skills: I opened Google, my favorite
search engine, and typed acronym into the search field, and got
several hits for acronym websites. Try it and you'll see.
Craig
Curtis Sakima
I haven't added anything to this thread, but I'm in the process of
changing the gas-guzzlin' V8 in my Land Rover Defender to the Land Rover
300 Tdi, with a 2nd heated tank for straight vegetable oil. And there
are a few SUV's out there that come stock with diesel engines -
Suburbans with the 6.2
Christopher,
I agree with whoever - Steve, I think, that The Vitalizer looks like a
scam.
The AutoEngineLube device is something that would be useful, I think. I
had a friend who worked on big diesel trucks, and some of them had no
glow plugs - they started by cranking only. He claimed that
Keith,
You are so right about the diesel car and truck situation in the US. VW
Tdi's we have, and they are wonderful, and of course pickups and the
landwhale known as the Excursion are available with diesels, but no
smaller SUV's.
And you are also so right about the lousy dinodiesel available
Yes - I even did a search for phrannie, batteries on Google, got a
bucha hits, all to other phrannie pages, and all were dead links.
Craig
Neil and Adele Craven wrote:
anyone else get a DNS error for this page?
Neil
http://www.phrannie.org/battery.html
Ken
Keith,
I'll take a shot at this. I'll start with new cars - I think that's what
you're actually asking, and the list is (much) shorter. Leading the pack
are the VW Tdi offerings - the Jetta sedan and wagon, the Golf, and the
New Beetle. I think that Mercedes no longer sells a diesel in the US. I
Keith,
I forgot to add - thanks to you for putting this together, and thanks to
Joe and Jesse.
Craig
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Thanks much Craig, Joe and Jesse
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Keith and Ed,
It was tedious to read it as prose, but the content was interesting to
anyone who cares about either biodiesel or SVO/WVO. Good points were
made my both of you.
On the SVO/WVO in direct-injection engines - I have a friend and
neighbor who's been running SVO in his '97 Ford
James,
Flush oil is what oilseed pressers - factories where they make oil from
various oil-bearing seeds or nuts - use to clean out the residue of the
last oilseed from the presses. For example - if they've been making
olive oil, and are changing to Canola, they will run *hundreds of
gallons* of
I wouldn't worry about the solids content - you can buy filters from
Greasel - www.greasel.com or Neoteric - www.biofuels.ca that filter
down to .5 micron. Low water content would be nice, but you could always
heat the oil to drive off the water.
Craig
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Jess,
I think the best filters out there are the .5 micron bag or sock filters
that Greasel sells - www.greasel.com
Craig
you wrote:
snip
Speaking of filters, I think there is a good source for the 5 micron
filters
somewhere relatively cheap, I saw it somewhere on one of the forums, I
San Francisco Chronicle says it's soy-corn blend.
Craig
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to try some good WVO that was water free and well
prefiltered)
Anyone have any experience and/or opinion on the lack of a 2nd tank
issue?
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Thanks, Keith. You've heard first-hand reports, I take it?
Craig
Keith Addison wrote:
Ed Beggs wrote:
Craig -
. (They do specify new SVO, but
I'd be willing to try some good WVO that was water free and well
prefiltered)
Anyone have any experience and/or opinion on the lack
Jesse,
Home Depot sells a braid-reinforced clear PVC in 1/4 and 3/8 ID (and
larger sizes) and it will stand up to diesel, biodiesel and SVO/WVO.
Charlie Anderson of Greasel Conversions has used it on many conversions
and claims it does fine, doesn't get brittle or hard, and will take the
heat
I agree, and the (rare) 5 speed stick will make it a lot livelier than
the auto. I'd get it checked out by a good Benz mechanic, and if it's
basically ok, I'd snag it quick.
Craig
houtextml wrote:
Hi Group,
Had a biodiesel guy at the Austin Renewable Energy Fair tell me he
thought the
Claude,
You're looking for the LFS series, and they're techcally bypass *oil*
filters - and thus in a different catalog/different section of the Racor
webpage from the fuel filters.
Craig
Claude Wheelbarger wrote:
Hello all
Once upon a time I had a racor filter assembly that I could
Harmon,
I just did a search on Yahoo Groups for stoves and stoves and
biodiesel and got zip. Could you post the link for the stoves group you
mention?
Thanks,
Craig
snip Somebody on the stoves list is building
cooking stoves that burn SVO, but they both pre-heat and pressurize
the SVO
Steve,
If you scroll down the page, you'll see that some of the stoves are
diesel fueled - and thus should work fine with biodiesel, if not SVO or
WVO. The Earthroamer guy has one is his Cummins-based camper.
Craig
Steve Spence wrote:
even with heated vegetable oil, I don't think these will
There was a case last year in Sonoma County in California where a renderer was
fined for dumping WVO into storm drains or the city sewer - leading many in
the local biodiesel and WVO/SVO community to believe that they make most of
their $ at the front end from the fees they get paid by the
There was a report in a local paper last year that a renderer in Sonoma
County was fined for dumping *a lot* of rendered oil and grease into the
storm drains, leading many to speculate that the price they get for
rendered WVO must not be very high, and that they must make most of
their $ from the
Alan,
I can't think of anything about a turbodiesel engine on SVO or WVO that
would make it react any differently than a non-turboed engine. Your
Trooper, being indirect-injection and with a mechanical fuel injection
pump, would be a perfect candidate for WVO.
Turbos just add a lot of power and
intercooler to a Mercedes 300D - I could give you his number if you
contacted me off-list.
Craig
Alan Petrillo wrote:
craig reece wrote:
Alan,
I can't think of anything about a turbodiesel engine on SVO or WVO
that
would make it react any differently than a non-turboed engine. Your
Trooper
Alex,
Hi, I can't answer your question, but I'll ask another - why do people
go to the trouble to make either of the two - biodiesel *or* ethanol,
when they could just modify the car or truck and drive on used frenchfry
oil - free waste restaurant oil. Of course, since I'm co-owner of a
company
it on WVO, then shut down on dinoD or bioD.
I'll keep the group informed of the outcome of my experiments.
Craig Reece
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Thanks in advance for your assistance,
Geoff
My pleasure. Keep up the good thinking!
Craig
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Geoff,
You wrote:
Has anyone installed an Espar, Webasto or other diesel fired
water
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