Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Tony Marzolino]

We have a farm in Upstate NY and I am interested too.  

ThanksTony MarzolinoMarz Farm3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire,NY  13736Farm: 
607-657-8534Cell: 315-378-5180www.marzfarm.comtmarzol...@yahoo.com

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I also have a farm in the Philippines that uses Natural Farming Technology.
I'm interested. Thanks, Chipper! :-)

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Chip Mefford  wrote:

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>
> Good day all of you who are left,
>
> I really want to thank everyone who has sent their
> thoughts on taking the list down. There have been
> some, , no, not some, all, great stories.
>
> Before I take the list down, ,
> I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
> something like this going.
>
> reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a
> new software project that I find very exciting, and
> hence have chosen to do the work to update my
> respective servers, including the mailing list server.
>
> Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
> over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
> IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
> (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
> to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
> this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
> at resolving some things in my life by not doing
> systems administration have cropped back up again,
> so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped.
>
> So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
> skills I had developed, even though I am moving into
> my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
> in.
>
> The project of which I speak is FarmOS
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM
>
> Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest,
> I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
> community.
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> Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;
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Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello Jan, Keith, and all,
Does anyone have any web links or publications on the cuphea?  Any farmers 
growing information, yields, etc.?  
Tony 

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From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:23 PM

Hello Keith. Opposite your opinion, I am quite optimistic concerning the 
relation of cold properties/cetane number of the biodiesel.  Palm oil, lard, 
or coconut oil do not have cloud points of -9 to -10oC. For instance, Palm 
oil biodiesel has a CFPP of +6 - +8oC and a cetane number of around 60. The 
cloud point is always higher than the CFPP, and the cloud point means less 
when it comes to driveability, especially since most additives when treating 
rape seed methyl ester can accomplish an improvement with 10o or more when 
it comes to the CFPP value.
So I still find Cuphea oil biodiesel interesting.

Jan W
- Original Message - 
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed


 Hello Jan

Hello all. The Cuphea oil is similar to coconut oil with an iodine value 
of
approx 17. This confirms its high content of saturated fatty acids, should
as biodiesel create a nice cetane number. The catch could be the biodiesel
final boiling point which should turn out scientifically lower that 350oC.
Good or bad ? It would be nice to judge  that from a report on the
properties of Cuphea oil biodiesel.

 The other catch is the cloud point, I'm not sure I believe the report
 I quoted that it's -9 to -10 deg C, especially not as you confirm the
 low IV of 17. More likely it starts to gel as soon as the weather
 gets cool, same as palm oil, coconut oil, lard, etc. If it does, then
 one wonders why it's being promoted in the US as a substitute for
 palm oil. Hot tip: invest all your bucks and your grandmother's life
 savings in US companies making pour-point depressants.

 Ref. Iodine Values
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine

 Further catch is that it's an awkward crop to process. The seeds are
 tiny, and they tend to shatter. Cuphea isn't really domesticated yet,
 it's more like a wild weed.

 Actually the biodiesel is just a sideshow, the main attraction is the
 caprylic and lauric acid, valuable industrial feedstocks, cloud point
 irrelevant.

 Industry enthusiasm, hm. In the US that means either B20 or B5, maybe
 a low cloud point doesn't matter if you're going to mix it with 80%
 or 95% petrodiesel.

 Best

 Keith


Jan W
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed


  Hi Tony

  It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of
  enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's
  better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut
  oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is
   low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though.

  HTH - best

  Keith


Hello List,
Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel?  If yes, what were the results?
Any additional information is appreciated.

Thanks

Tony Marzolino

3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY  13736

  http://www.marzfarm.com/


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[Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello List,
Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel?  If yes, what were the results?  Any 
additional information is appreciated. 





Thanks

Tony Marzolino

3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY  13736

http://www.marzfarm.com/




  
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Re: [Biofuel] New el cheapo VW commuter car

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello All - I assume, like all the fuel efficient diesels, this car will NOT be 
available in the USA.  Can anyone confirm?
 
Thanks 
Tony Marzolino
Berkshire, NY

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Dave Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New el cheapo VW commuter car
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Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 7:03 AM


Very interesting.  Please send me a pic.  Thanks in advance.

Dave


David Roberts / Sales Associate
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Has anyone heard of the new single seat VW?                       This is
not a toy, not a concept car. It is a fully developed, single-seat car in 
a
highly aerodynamic tear-shaped, road-proven and very practical commuter
vehicle format. The new Veedub will go on sale in Shanghai in 2010.

Designed to cruise at 100-120 Km/Hr it has an incredible consumption of
0.99litre/100Km (258 miles/gallon), thus in terms of fuel bettering the
electric car. The vehicle took three years from conception to production.
The company is headquartered in Hamburg, Germany.

The car will sell for 4000 yuan, equivalent to US$600. Gas tank capacity 
1.7
gallons;Speed 62-74.6 Miles/hour; Fuel efficiency 258 miles/gallon; travel
distance with a full tank 404 miles.

I have pics which show a very impressive, aerodynamically efficient 
vehicle,
not at all cheap in appearance. Sadly can't post them here due to the 
site's
formatting restrictions but will supply to anyone who emails me directly.

Regards,

Bob.



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Re: [Biofuel] Meet the Economist Who Thinks We're Doomed

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello Keith - Thanks for the article, but Mr. Roubini is not the only one 
warning of imminent dangers in the US economy.  One (David Walker formally from 
GAO) was even part of the US government - See link below.
 
http://www.pgpf.org/
 
Tony Marzolino
Berkshire NY

--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] Meet the Economist Who Thinks We're Doomed
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 1:08 PM

Meet the Economist Who Thinks We're Doomed

By Stephen Mihm, The New York Times

Posted on August 18, 2008, Printed on August 18, 2008

http://www.alternet.org/story/95375/

On Sept. 7, 2006, Nouriel Roubini, an economics professor at New York 
University, stood before an audience of economists at the 
International Monetary Fund and announced that a crisis was brewing. 
In the coming months and years, he warned, the United States was 
likely to face a once-in-a-lifetime housing bust, an oil shock, 
sharply declining consumer confidence and, ultimately, a deep 
recession. He laid out a bleak sequence of events: homeowners 
defaulting on mortgages, trillions of dollars of mortgage-backed 
securities unraveling worldwide and the global financial system 
shuddering to a halt. These developments, he went on, could cripple 
or destroy hedge funds, investment banks and other major financial 
institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The audience seemed skeptical, even dismissive. As Roubini stepped 
down from the lectern after his talk, the moderator of the event 
quipped, I think perhaps we will need a stiff drink after that. 
People laughed -- and not without reason. At the time, unemployment 
and inflation remained low, and the economy, while weak, was still 
growing, despite rising oil prices and a softening housing market. 
And then there was the espouser of doom himself: Roubini was known to 
be a perpetual pessimist, what economists call a permabear. When 
the economist Anirvan Banerji delivered his response to Roubini's 
talk, he noted that Roubini's predictions did not make use of 
mathematical models and dismissed his hunches as those of a career 
naysayer.

But Roubini was soon vindicated. In the year that followed, subprime 
lenders began entering bankruptcy, hedge funds began going under and 
the stock market plunged. There was declining employment, a 
deteriorating dollar, ever-increasing evidence of a huge housing bust 
and a growing air of panic in financial markets as the credit crisis 
deepened. By late summer, the Federal Reserve was rushing to the 
rescue, making the first of many unorthodox interventions in the 
economy, including cutting the lending rate by 50 basis points and 
buying up tens of billions of dollars in mortgage-backed securities. 
When Roubini returned to the I.M.F. last September, he delivered a 
second talk, predicting a growing crisis of solvency that would 
infect every sector of the financial system. This time, no one 
laughed. He sounded like a madman in 2006, recalls the I.M.F. 
economist Prakash Loungani, who invited Roubini on both occasions. 
He was a prophet when he returned in 2007.

Over the past year, whenever optimists have declared the worst of the 
economic crisis behind us, Roubini has countered with steadfast 
pessimism. In February, when the conventional wisdom held that the 
venerable investment firms of Wall Street would weather the crisis, 
Roubini warned that one or more of them would go belly up -- and 
six weeks later, Bear Stearns collapsed. Following the Fed's further 
extraordinary actions in the spring -- including making lines of 
credit available to selected investment banks and brokerage houses -- 
many economists made note of the ensuing economic rally and 
proclaimed the credit crisis over and a recession averted. Roubini, 
who dismissed the rally as nothing more than a delusional 
complacency encouraged by a bunch of self-serving
spinmasters, 
stuck to his script of nightmare events: waves of corporate 
bankrupticies, collapses in markets like commercial real estate and 
municipal bonds and, most alarming, the possible bankruptcy of a 
large regional or national bank that would trigger a panic by 
depositors. Not all of these developments have come to pass (and 
perhaps never will), but the demise last month of the California bank 
IndyMac -- one of the largest such failures in U.S. history -- drew 
only more attention to Roubini's seeming prescience.

As a result, Roubini, a respected but formerly obscure academic, has 
become a major figure in the public debate about the economy: the 
seer who saw it coming. He has been summoned to speak before 
Congress, the Council on Foreign Relations and the World Economic 
Forum at Davos. He is now a sought-after adviser, spending much of 
his time shuttling between meetings with central bank governors and 
finance ministers in Europe and Asia. Though he continues to issue 
colorful doomsday

[Biofuel] Bio-diesel replacing Home Heating Oil

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello List,
  Is anyone using BD to replace #2 home heating oil?  If yes, where there any 
modifications to the finance?  Are you using a mixture (ex. B50) or 100%.  Is 
the tank located inside the structure or outside?  If outside any modifications 
to prevent gelling?
   
  We did some very preliminary testings using B50 and found the output to be 
approx the same as #2.  But the nozzle needed to be cleaned first.
   
  Any comments are greatly appreciated.
   
  Thanks,
  Tony Marzolino
  Berkshire, NY 

   
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Re: [Biofuel] Before You Vote for Hillary Clinton Read This

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello Keith,
  Thanks for the post.  I absolutely agree that the current parties or 
candidates are NOT the answer nor will they offer or implement any meaningful 
change..
   
  However, I believe change is on the menu and there are other solutions.  Mike 
Bloomberg is one option and even if he does not run, he is influencing the 
national debate.  There are many Internet sties concerning this topic.  I have 
listed just two.
  http://www.runmikerun.com/
  http://www.runmikebloomberg.com/
   
  Also the GAO (General Accounting Office) has some GREAT publications on the 
current and future financial crisis facing this country.  Our time is running 
short.  Two excellent GAO reports are listed below.
  http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08489cg.pdf
  http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08490cg.pdf
   
  This and much else (i.e. declining dollar, housing crisis, US war, etc) will 
force change.  Hopefully.
   
  Regards,
  Tony Marzolino
  Berkshire, NY
  

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Keith Addison wrote:

IMHO it's worth taking another, good, long, hard-eyed look at the 
Clinton presidency these days, just for the sake of a little 
perspective. Not much different from GW Bush, essentially the same, 
but with gloves on, not so in-your-face, less extreme. Not the 
solution. I'm not saying it's Hillary Clinton who's not the solution, 
it's the Other Business Party as a whole that's not the solution. 
It's time for change, and it's not on the menu.

If voting worked it would be illegal. (British graffiti, 1980s.)

Best

Keith



   
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Re: [Biofuel] veg oil crop info

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello Ken,
  Thanks for the post and link.  Can you please expand on the pumpkins as a 
bio-fuel source?  Are other vegetables of like kind in the same category as 
possible candidates (i.e. squash, etc.)?
   
  Thanks 
  Tony Marzolino

Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:08 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote:



 Which crop for the NE USA?
 Cornell University Extension grew rapeseed on an
 experimental plot in Poughkeepsie, NY. (NE USA).
 Although they successfully grew, dried the plant and
 pressed oil, I was told that there is resistance to growing
 rapeseed in the NE USA because it is typically dried in
 windrows for 1 to 2 weeks...The seeds are also
 apparently small...


Other problems with rape are that the seedcake can be
toxic to some animals, and many high-producing varieties
are hybrids, which keeps the farmer in thrall to the big
breeders (Monsanto, ADM, etc).

Sunflower and safflower are good yield per acre, and both
are available in open pollinated varieties. Pumpkins can be
good, and you can use the pumpkin for food!

Check out

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/dukeindex.html

for a lot of good info on energy crops, including many oilseeds.

-K

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Re: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello Z - I am planning to try bio-diesel in my WV later this week with a B30.  
 I will keep you posted. In addition, I am looking forward to trying it on our 
farm tractors (Ford 7600 and IH 826).  I could always use more power from both.
   
  Hello Tim - Currently, based on list advise, I think our region is too cold 
to do anything but a B30 for now.  In the spring, I am looking forward to B100 
blends.
   
  Thanks,
  Tony Marzolino
  Berksire, NY  13736

  In my truck (old mitisubishi mighty max), a B20 or higher blend runs
alot better than diesel, as long as you stay away from gelling. And,
of course, the hotter the engine, the better it runs. But, the colder
the outdoor temp, the more power I have too -- because of air density
I think. On my VW NA diesel it's even more noticeable, perhaps
because of the lack of the turbo -- on a 100F day it will struggle up
some hills in 2nd gear, that it zooms up in 3rd gear on a 35F day.
It's rather strange... on the truck the engine really has to be warmed
up to get power out of it... but the VW once you get it started, give
it 30 seconds, and away you go on close to full power. Can't figure
that out.

Z

On 10/6/07, Tim Brockhoff wrote:
 I have a 2005 Dodge Cummins diesel. Hav eyou ran B99 or any other blends?
 Have you had to make any modifications to the engine? Thanks!
 - Original Message -
 From: Tony Marzolino 
 To: 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:40 PM
 Subject: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel


  Hello List,
  When using a blended bio-diesel (say B30 or any blend) does engine temp.
  effect performance? With the Cummings 5.9 diesel, it seems that the
  hotter the day and warmer the engine the better the truck runs.
 
  With a B30 blend, there was much better engine performance than running
  straight diesel. Have other members noticed a difference too?
 
  Thanks
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Re: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello Z - I am planning to try bio-diesel in my WV later this week with a B30.  
 I will keep you posted. In addition, I am looking forward to trying it on our 
farm tractors (Ford 7600 and IH 826).  I could always use more power from both.
   
  Hello Tim - Currently, based on list advise, I think our region is too cold 
to do anything but a B30 for now.  In the spring, I am looking forward to B100 
blends.
   
  Thanks,
  Tony Marzolino
  Berksire, NY  13736

  In my truck (old mitisubishi mighty max), a B20 or higher blend runs
alot better than diesel, as long as you stay away from gelling. And,
of course, the hotter the engine, the better it runs. But, the colder
the outdoor temp, the more power I have too -- because of air density
I think. On my VW NA diesel it's even more noticeable, perhaps
because of the lack of the turbo -- on a 100F day it will struggle up
some hills in 2nd gear, that it zooms up in 3rd gear on a 35F day.
It's rather strange... on the truck the engine really has to be warmed
up to get power out of it... but the VW once you get it started, give
it 30 seconds, and away you go on close to full power. Can't figure
that out.

Z

On 10/6/07, Tim Brockhoff wrote:
 I have a 2005 Dodge Cummins diesel. Hav eyou ran B99 or any other blends?
 Have you had to make any modifications to the engine? Thanks!
 - Original Message -
 From: Tony Marzolino 
 To: 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:40 PM
 Subject: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel


  Hello List,
  When using a blended bio-diesel (say B30 or any blend) does engine temp.
  effect performance? With the Cummings 5.9 diesel, it seems that the
  hotter the day and warmer the engine the better the truck runs.
 
  With a B30 blend, there was much better engine performance than running
  straight diesel. Have other members noticed a difference too?
 
  Thanks
  Tony Marzolino
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello Z - I am planning to try bio-diesel in my WV later this week with a B30.  
 I will keep you posted. In addition, I am looking forward to trying it on our 
farm tractors (Ford 7600 and IH 826).  I could always use more power from both.
   
  Hello Tim - Currently, based on list advise, I think our region is too cold 
to do anything but a B30 for now.  In the spring, I am looking forward to B100 
blends.
   
  Thanks,
  Tony Marzolino
  Berksire, NY  13736

  In my truck (old mitisubishi mighty max), a B20 or higher blend runs
alot better than diesel, as long as you stay away from gelling. And,
of course, the hotter the engine, the better it runs. But, the colder
the outdoor temp, the more power I have too -- because of air density
I think. On my VW NA diesel it's even more noticeable, perhaps
because of the lack of the turbo -- on a 100F day it will struggle up
some hills in 2nd gear, that it zooms up in 3rd gear on a 35F day.
It's rather strange... on the truck the engine really has to be warmed
up to get power out of it... but the VW once you get it started, give
it 30 seconds, and away you go on close to full power. Can't figure
that out.

Z

On 10/6/07, Tim Brockhoff wrote:
 I have a 2005 Dodge Cummins diesel. Hav eyou ran B99 or any other blends?
 Have you had to make any modifications to the engine? Thanks!
 - Original Message -
 From: Tony Marzolino 
 To: 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:40 PM
 Subject: [Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel


  Hello List,
  When using a blended bio-diesel (say B30 or any blend) does engine temp.
  effect performance? With the Cummings 5.9 diesel, it seems that the
  hotter the day and warmer the engine the better the truck runs.
 
  With a B30 blend, there was much better engine performance than running
  straight diesel. Have other members noticed a difference too?
 
  Thanks
  Tony Marzolino
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Once is enough! - Explanation......

[Tony Marzolino]

Keith,
  I apologize.  I was on the road, using an air card and hit a low spot.  In 
addition, Yahoo is not the most reliable mail system.  It tells you at one 
point items were not sent, but actually were..OK
   
  Thanks..

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Why post it three times Tony? Sheer clutter in people's in-boxes and 
- permanently - in the list archives.

:-(

Please be more careful!

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Hello Z - I am planning to try bio-diesel in my WV later this week 
with a B30. I will keep you posted. In addition, I am looking 
forward to trying it on our farm tractors (Ford 7600 and IH 826). I 
could always use more power from both.

 Hello Tim - Currently, based on list advise, I think our region is 
too cold to do anything but a B30 for now. In the spring, I am 
looking forward to B100 blends.

 Thanks,
 Tony Marzolino
 Berksire, NY 13736

 In my truck (old mitisubishi mighty max), a B20 or higher blend runs
alot better than diesel, as long as you stay away from gelling. And,
of course, the hotter the engine, the better it runs. But, the colder
the outdoor temp, the more power I have too -- because of air density
I think. On my VW NA diesel it's even more noticeable, perhaps
because of the lack of the turbo -- on a 100F day it will struggle up




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[Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel

[Tony Marzolino]

  Hello List,
  When using a blended bio-diesel (say B30 or any blend) does engine temp. 
effect performance?  With the Cummings 5.9 diesel, it seems that the hotter the 
day and warmer the engine the better the truck runs.  
   
  With a B30 blend, there was much better engine performance than running 
straight diesel.  Have other members noticed a difference too?
   
  Thanks
  Tony Marzolino
  

   
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[Biofuel] Engine Temperature and BioDiesel

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello List,
  When using a blended bio-diesel (say B30 or any blend) does engine temp. 
effect performance?  With the Cummings 5.9 diesel, it seems that the hotter the 
day and warmer the engine the better the truck runs.  
   
  With a B30 blend, there was much better engine performance than running 
straight diesel.  Have other members noticed a difference too?
   
  Thanks
  Tony Marzolino

   
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[Biofuel] Oilseed and Biodiesel Production Workshop

[Tony Marzolino]

FYI - Regarding the upcoming conference.  I received it via a farm web site 
e-mail.  I thought it might interest some.
  Tony Marzolino

Oilseed and Biodiesel Production Workshop
October 30-31, 2007
Polson and Pablo, Montana 
This Oilseeds for Fuel, Feed, and the Future workshop is designed for Montana 
farmers interested in learning more about how to produce and use biodiesel or 
how to raise oilseed crops. Topics that will be covered include the economics 
of oilseed production, crushing and processing; biodiesel quality issues; small 
scale and commercial biodiesel production and market trends in oilseeds and 
co-products. The National Center for Appropriate Technology joins several other 
sponsors in presenting this workshop.

  http://www.ncat.org/oilseeds.html#workshop

   
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[Biofuel] Volkswagon Rabbit and Cummings 5.9 Diesel

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello List,
  I just purchased a 1984 Rabbit. Also a friend has a 1989 Dodge with a 5.9 
turbo diesel Cummings engine. 
   
  Are they any modification needed to these cars before running bio-diesel?  We 
live in upstate NY, so I assume B100 would not work in the winter.  What is a 
suggested mixture (i.e. B75 or B50)?
   
  Thanks,
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Re: [Biofuel] US House may prevent states from protecting food supply

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello Keith and List,
  Thanks for the post.  Actually this is really good news.  As oil costs 
continue to rise and the US corp ag industry begins to die - MOST food will go 
back to being LOCAL  In the Northeast, where I live, there is already a 
high demand for local foods of all types.  Language listed below will only 
intensify the demand.
   
  Have a great day
  Tony Marzolino
  Berkshire NY

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://environmentalcommons.org/federal-preemption-2007.html
Environmental Commons: Legislation Tracker Follows State Food Bills

US House may prevent states from protecting food supply

by Britt Bailey
Monday May 28th, 2007 9:03 AM

The United States House of Representatives Committee on Agriculture 
has begun the process of writing the 2007 Farm Bill. Of grave concern 
is language added and approved by the Subcommittee on Livestock, 
Dairy and Poultry that preempts state restrictions of foods or 
agricultural products deregulated by the USDA.

House Subcommittee Approves Language Preempting State  Local 
Restriction of Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs) and Other 
Questionable Foods

The United States House of Representatives Committee on Agriculture 
has begun the process of writing the 2007 Farm Bill. Of grave concern 
is language added and approved by the Subcommittee on Livestock, 
Dairy and Poultry that preempts state restrictions of foods or 
agricultural products deregulated by the USDA. The added language 
reads,

no State or locality shall make any law prohibiting the use in 
commerce of an article that the Secretary of Agriculture has 
inspected and passed; or determined to be of non-regulated status.

The preemption language has been traced to Iowa Representative and 
Subcommittee Chair, Leonard Boswell. His intention is to prohibit 
state and local policies banning the sale of products approved by 
USDA and other regulatory agencies. The broad scope of the language 
would affect state and local prohibitions on the cultivation of 
genetically modified crops, bans on the sale of rBGH milk, and the 
outlawing of foie gras for starters.

At a time of pervasive food contamination and consumer displeasure 
with the social, ethical, and environmental aspects of food processes 
and production, the addition of a few lines tucked into an immense 
bill could weaken carefully adopted consumer protections.

If the preemption language is adopted into the final Farm Bill, some 
of the state laws that may be affected include:

Genetically Modified Foods:
California and Arkansas are currently debating prohibitions on the 
growing GMO rice. The major rice growing states are concerned after 
the 2006 announcement that several un-approved varieties of 
engineered rice contaminated rice crops resulting in major financial 
losses for US farmers.

Four California counties and two cities have adopted prohibitions on 
the growing of genetically modified crops in order to protect their 
organic and conventional foods.

rBGH Milk:
In 2006, Vermont's Agricultural Secretary, Steve Kerr, urged dairy 
farmers to stop using rBGH, or recombinant bovine growth hormone, in 
dairy cows. In addition, New York City is in the process of 
considering a ban on the sale of rBGH milk.

Foie Gras:
On grounds of inhumane treatment, the City of Chicago banned the sale 
of foie gras in restaurants. California has banned the force-feeding 
of birds to produce the product, ending the practice by 2012.

The preemption language raises concerns that states would be barred 
from taking action when a food safety threats arise. For example, 
states could be barred from calling for recalls or prohibiting the 
sale of tainted meats, peanut butter, or other foods that have passed 
USDA inspection. Advocates favoring the preemption language include 
United Egg Producers, National Pork Producers, National Milk 
Producers Federation, and the National Cattleman's Beef Association.

The Farm Bill will be voted on by the House Committee on Agriculture 
before going to the House floor and then on to the Senate. To take 
action to oppose this disastrous preemption language, send a letter 
and/or contact:

1. The House Agricultural Committee, agriculture [at] mail.house.gov.
2. Your House Representative, http://www.house.gov/writerep/
3. Your Senator, 
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Stay updated about the 2007 Farm Bill as it moves through the House 
of Representatives, 
http://agriculture.house.gov/inside/2007FarmBill.html

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Re: [Biofuel] 100 MPG vehicle contest

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello List - Listed below is a site that I heard was producing a vehicle with 
100+ mpg.  It is in Europe and I believe they were marketing to the European 
and Asian markets.  Does anyone have additional information to share?  
   
  http://www.loremo.com/
   
  Thanks Tony Marzolino
  Berkshire NY

Dawie Coetzee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  They still don't get it.
   
  How about, rather, a contest for a vehicle that answers these requirements:
   
  methods and equipment which are
  “- cheap enough that they are accessible to virtually everyone;
  “- suitable for small-scale application; and
  “- compatible with man’s need for creativity.
  “Out of these three characteristics is born non-violence and a relationship 
of man to nature which guarantees permanence. If only one of these three is 
neglected, things are bound to go wrong.” (E F Schumacher, Small Is Beautiful)
   
  I would say that the first point applies to the methods of manufacture more 
than the vehicle itself.
   
  One can add to that,
  4. Suitability for broader systems of fuels, roads, etc. in which the 
automobile does not play an important role; and
  5. Suitability for very limited use over a very long product life, i.e. a 
vehicle that still makes sense to own if one is only going to use it some 
twenty times a year, which won't deteriorate unduly if left standing for long 
periods, which is not dependent on the continued existence of the original 
manufacturer for repairs, etc.
   
  The result would be very different indeed.
   
  -Dawie
  


  - Original Message 
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April, 2007 4:07:34 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] 100 MPG vehicle contest


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Re: [Biofuel] A story from Grist Magazine - Walmart

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello Dave - Good post.  
   
  Hello List - I am a part of several Internet list and at least weekly a story 
about Wal-Mart appears, usually negative.  Fixing Wal-Mart is easy - STOP 
SHOPPING THERE.  That's it...
   
  Yes it that simple.  I guarantee this will work...Smile.  Have a great day 
all.
   
  Tony Marzolino
  Berkshire NY

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Re: [Biofuel] Pellet fuel options

[Tony Marzolino]

Has anyone researched the using grass as a fuel (i.e. in pellets or blocks)? If yes, can you please post?Great list DaveThanksTony Marzolino[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Right... did some searches and found some pellet mills that may be purchased:http://www.alibaba.com/productsearch/Pellet_Mill.htmlOf course, these are just examples. A little more searching may turn up a manual or semi-automated process/design. You figure, rabbit feed is in the same form so that may also be an outlet for pellet producing.-dave___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to
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Re: [Biofuel] was..was...Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil - Requesting Sources

[Tony Marzolino]

Mark - Could you please state your sources for the information supplied below in your e-mail?Tallex - I agree, but would really appreciate where this information is coming from.Thanks,  Tony MarzolinoAltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Thanks so much Darryl for giving Mark Thompson a reality check,there are still far too many that think like him and who don't have a cluehow serious the situation is becoming. Sad.regardstallex  ---Original Message---  From: MK DuPree   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil  Sent: 20 Oct '06 12:07See Stephen Leeb's The  Coming Economic Collapse: How You Can Thrive When  Oil Costs $200 a  Barrel.  Leeb
 would have us buying stocks in various  companies because  that's his business.  The points he makes about why the  price of oil must  rise to levels far beyond we know today are my reason  for directing our  attention to the book.  It really does come down to a  massive population  growing exponentially and an economic model promoted  by the USA.  Bottom  line is, we're screwed, at least as far as the world  as we've known it run on  oil is concerned.  Maybe all the JTF List could  put our money, talents, and  lives together on some remote island or  somewhere in New Zealand and start  something that might survive through  the coming chaos and become a beacon of  hope to the world.  Use the JTF  Credo as our basis for community  life.  I'm serious!  What, aint gonna  happen???  Ah well, to  unquote something the bard didn't say, all's not  well that doesn't end  well.  Ah
 well... Mike DuPree  - Original Message -From: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:59  PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of  Surviving Peak Oil   Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)  wrote:   What is all this "Peak Oil" end of the world garbage. Oil is a finite resource.  All that remains to debate is when we  will  "run   out" (and what the definition of that is).  I think  things get ugly  once   core demand exceeds production on a world  scale.  Personally, I expect   that within my lifetime.  I think  affordability will be a factor long   before oil is exhausted in a 
 technical sense. I trust you have read Deffeyes, Hubbert, ASPO,  Simmons, etc. and have   evidence that debunks them.   We have many decades if not 100+ years of conventional  oil left. Emmm, actually North America has about 5 years of  conventional oil  left,   if it were not for imports.  (6 if you  include ANWR.)  Does your  forecast   allow for increasing and  accelerating rates of consumption year over  year?   Or does it assume  flat consumption into the future, like the optimistic   government  forecasts? We have huge amounts of Tar Sands (1.7 Trillion  barrels) to exploit. Actually, I doubt we can afford to do  that.  The groundwater and  natural   gas consumed in that processing  will run out first. 
 If we use oil from   the oil sands to make more  oil from the oil sands, my understanding is   that this is a losing  proposition on an EROEI basis based on the  exising   process and  facilities (from oil sand to refined consumer product). We  have potential 1000's of years worth of Methane-Hydrates available. For which we currently do not have a viable technology in place as yet  to   harvest them.  The implications of releasing that much methane  into the   environment (leakage, losses, accidents), or even the carbon  dioxide   resulting from using it do not bode well for habitability of the  planet   for humans in the long term.  Perhaps you plan to use this  methane to   support the production of oil from the oil sands. Estimated to be greater than twice the world
 total of  oil.   We have almost limitless Nuclear energy potential through the  use of   Breeder, Light water and Heavy water reactors. And no solutions in place on how to deal with the spent fuel on  a   permanent basis, well, other than putting them into weapons, be  they   nuclear weapons, depleted uranium in artillery shells, or dirty  bombs.   Even France is having second thoughts about the breeder  cycle. Not to mention the other - Wind - Water - Solar -  BioFuels - etc. Now we're getting to sustainable  solutions. All of which are up and coming. The higher  energy cost go up the more   pressure there will be on "Alternate"  sources. Do you think we have enough time to implement these  solutions on a mass   scale before oil and
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Re: [Biofuel] Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today?

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello Will,  Great idea. In fact, I believe WV actually makes one, but it is not available in the US and gas mileage around 90.Can anyone verify this? Thanks,  Tony MarzolinoWill Kelleher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Why not combine the best of both and create a diesel hybrid? Better city AND highway mileage!  On 7/30/06, robert and benita rabello  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Andrew Lowe wrote: I can remember seeing an episode of the English show Top Gear,www.bbc.co.uk/topgear where the consumption of hybrids was mentioned. One of the  presenters said that he drove a hybrid from point A to point B and got about40-45 miles/gallon. He subsequently drove a similar sized diesel over the sameroute and got a consumption of about 50-55 miles/gallon.   n.b. Figures are frommemory and could be a bit rubbery but the jist of the comment was that currenttechnology diesels can, and do, get better consumption than hybrids. A diesel WILL outperform a gasoline hybrid in overall fuel economy. But when we drive around town, there are times when we're using NO fuel at
 all, which means we're not putting anything into the air either. We burn NO fuel while sitting at a light.  A diesel can't do that.  A lot of this discussion is just picking nits, but I'd really like to see MORE hybrids and MORE diesels on the road. It shouldn't be an "either / or" thing.robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.ca  Ranger Supercharger Project Page  http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing
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Re: [Biofuel] EV is not dead

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Hey Guys - These are great, but once again..NO prices and NO availability? Are there any REAL options available for US consumers?Thanks,  Tony Marzolinodoug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  And then there's Tesla Motors, with a convertible!http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1doug swansonJoe Street wrote:Yy!http://news.en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/article.aspx?cp-documentid=673300Joe___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to
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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel is mandatory in Illinois

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This is GREAT news. I hope other states/communities will shortly follow in the US.  Tony Marzolino"D. Mindock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  From the Illinois League of Conservation Voters latest e-newsletter. Peace, D. MindockAs of July 1st , all state, municipal, or county governments, school districts, public or community colleges or universities, and mass transit agencies in the state of Illinois are required to fuel all of their diesel vehicles with a biodiesel blend of at least 2% (when refueling takes place at a bulk central facility).WHY SWITCH TO BIODIESEL?Biodiesel is a completely renewable energy source; as long as we can grow vegetables, we can make more! The use of biodiesel:a.. drastically reduces the release of pollutants through vehicle
 omissions: B100 (100% biodiesel) fuel emissions contain 47% less carbon monoxide than diesel emissions (U.S. Dept. of Energy)b.. reduces the carcinogenicity of vehicle fuel by 20% for a B20 (20%) biodiesel blend (U.S. Dept. of Energy)c.. and since biodiesel is non-toxic, replacing petroleum with biodiesel reduces groundwater contamination and the risk of ecological disasters resulting from petroleum spills.Not only is biodiesel good for the environment, it's good for the Illinois economy . In the U.S., biodiesel is most often produced from soybean oil. Since Illinois is the leading soybean-producing state in the U.S., buying biodiesel means buying from Illinois farmers.COMMUNITY CORNERCongratulations Decatur, Illinois for switching to 2% biodiesel! Communities and companies that have made the switch to biodiesel have realized the benefits described above - and some they didn't even expect. When the
 town of Decatur, Illinois switched all its city buses and transit department transport vehicles to B2 in April of this year, officials expected added costs. Instead, mass transit chief Paul McChancy reported net savings due to reduced maintenance costs and increased fuel efficiency as the B2 blend burned cleaner than regular diesel and acted as a lubricant (Mike Frazier, Decatur Herald  Review). ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ 
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Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008

[Tony Marzolino]

Did anyone respond to the questions below? ThanksTony Marzolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hello All,All this size discussion is nice, but what about price??? Does anyone know? And will the diesel be offered in the US market? Thanks,Tony MarzolinoJohn Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Don't write off the Smart car on size or refinement.I have driven one and in the city and it’s great for parking, the frontseats have more room than a Neon and it has all the bells and whistles ofit's bigger brothers. Having a Mercedes motor cycle engine means that it'sgas mileage put's you back under a dollar a gallon!John Markham EMail:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AltEnergyNetworkSent: 02 July 2006 08:15To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater,it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and stillbe considered a smart car?Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no wayyou are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look likecircus clowns stuffed into the seats.People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible.tallexSmart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler   http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news  
 ---Original Message--- From: Hakan Falk  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56   They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for quite a while.  Hakan   At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote:  Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and while really cool, I have a hard time imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL,  regards tallex  Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler   http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news
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Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008

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Hello All, All this size discussion is nice, but what about  price??? Does anyone know? And will the diesel be offered  in the US market? Thanks,  Tony MarzolinoJohn Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Don't write off the Smart car on size or refinement.I have driven one and in the city and it’s great for parking, the frontseats have more room than a Neon and it has all the bells and whistles ofit's bigger brothers. Having a Mercedes motor cycle engine means that it'sgas mileage put's you back under a dollar a gallon!John Markham EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AltEnergyNetworkSent: 02 July 2006 08:15To:
 biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and still be considered a smart car?Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no wayyou are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look likecircus clowns stuffed into the seats.People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible.tallexSmart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news ---Original Message---  From: Hakan Falk   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008  Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56  They do
 have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for  quite a while.Hakan  At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote:Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the  US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and  while really cool, I have a hard time  imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL,regards  tallexSmart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news Get your daily alternative energy newsAlternate Energy Resource
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Re: [Biofuel] 147 MPG Diesel

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello All - Does anyone know if these will be available in the US and if yes, when? Thanks,  Tony MarzolinoAppal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/05/malaysian_compa.htmlMalaysian Company Takes 26% Stake in German Maker of 157 MPGDiesel CarMalaysia’s Kosmo Motor Company has taken a 26% stake in Loremo AG,the developers of the Loremo LS, a 1.5 l/100km (157 mpg US) dieselpassenger car. (Earlier post.)___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to
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[Biofuel] Rapeseed processing

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Does anyone know of a rapeseed article(s) that explain the process from  planting to the actual bio-fuel? If yes, please send.Thanks,  Tony Marzolino  
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Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy

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Hello List - Did anyone have a comment on this energy idea and/or web site?Tony Marzolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Does anyone have any additional information on grass as a bio-fuel and the conversion into pellets as the site below suggests? The site does not have much detail information (capital investment, process, market, etc).It looks interesting!!! Any thoughts?http://www.grassbioenergy.org/Thanks   Tony Marzolino  New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save
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[Biofuel] Willow Tree Research

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello To All,
Does anyone remember a willow tree farm renewable
energy research project post?  If yes, could you
please re-post.  I can't seem to find it in the
archives.

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Re: [Biofuel] Smart Car - DaimlerChrysler sees growth above average

[Tony Marzolino]

Mike,
Very interesting idea.  If you try this or get
information, please post to the list.
Thanks,
Tony Marzolino
Berkshire, NY

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   Talk to U.S. Customs and your State Department of
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Re: [Biofuel] Smart Car - DaimlerChrysler sees growth above average

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Does anybody on this list know why DaimlerChrysler does not want to sell this car in the US? I have seen some positive comments from this list about this car.

Thanks
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DaimlerChrysler sees Smart's growth above averageTue Jun 7, 2005 http://today.reuters.co.uk STUTTGART, Germany (Reuters) - DaimlerChrysler expectsabove-average growth rates for minicars and microcarsthis decade, which is why it is hanging on to itsloss-making Smart business, the head of Smart said on Monday."The global market for small cars will grow nearly4.5 percent a year until 2010," Ulrich Walker toldreporters at a media briefing.Sales of microcars, the smallest category which includesthe Smart two-seat model, are set to grow by around4 percent during that period, outstripping expectedannual growth of 2.5 percent for the broadercar market, he added."This is reason enough to be confident about this market,"Walker said, suggesting minicars and microcars wouldboost their global market share to 50
 percent by 2010from 30 percent now.DaimlerChrysler has made nothing but losses with Smartsince the first urban hipster two-seater made itsdebut in 1998.It aims to break even with Smart by 2007 after adrastic cost-cutting drive that narrows its focus tojust two models -- the two-seat ForTwo and four-seat ForFour.Walker said Smart was still reviewing whether to try tosell its cars in the United States, the world's biggestcar market. Its next-generation Smart ForTwo due toemerge in 2007 will be engineered to meetU.S. safety and environmental standards.But he said any launch decision hinged on thedollar/euro exchange rate andthe state of sales incentives."This market interests us only becausewe want to make money there," he said.Walker rejected a $1 billion order for Smart carsplaced last month by U.S. car customizer ZAP.The order for July 2005 delivery would havecovered around
 76,000 Smarts,a volume that the company makes in half a year.Walker said he was concerned the model might faceliability lawsuits given the current lack ofU.S. certification and that he was wary aboutZAP's financing of the deal."We do not want to and will not havebusiness ties to ZAP in any way," he said.--- http://www.zapworld.com___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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