Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil
You have asked a very good question, First of all one has to know the length of the fatty acid carbon chain connected to the glyceride of the fat that you are processing (i.e. oleic, lineolaic,palmatic, etc.) Then you ratio the molar weight of the of the fatty acid components to the glycerol. This will give you a molar % of fatty acid to glycerol. Based on this ratio you can calculate the theoretical yield of fatty acid vs. glycerine. More to come. David - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil arent veggie oils like a cocktail of their own? no real specific answers, just an empirical average? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of late. Any one know? Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil
Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of late. Any one know? Jim Hello Jim The rule of thumb is 79 millilitres of glycerine for every litre of oil used (7.9%). -- How much glycerine? Why isn't it solid? Make your own biodiesel - page 2: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#howmuchglyc More information here: How much methanol? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html HTH. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil
Yes,both Keith and David are right. Unless you are referring to palm oil, which have an unusual fatty acid composition, the amount of glycerine in most vegetable oils is roughly 10% by mass. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of late. Any one know? Jim Hello Jim The rule of thumb is 79 millilitres of glycerine for every litre of oil used (7.9%). -- How much glycerine? Why isn't it solid? Make your own biodiesel - page 2: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#howmuchglyc More information here: How much methanol? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html HTH. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil
for back of the envelope accuracy, whether fat or oil, to two significant digits one can estimate the molecular wt of the oil to be about 900 (slightly high) and the density is about .9 so the fat/oil contains about one mole per liter, therefore one mole of glycerin is present. The molecular wt is 94 so you would get about 94 grams of glycerin from a liter of fat/oil. The density is about 1 so you would get about 94 ml per liter of oil. chem.dd wrote: You have asked a very good question, First of all one has to know the length of the fatty acid carbon chain connected to the glyceride of the fat that you are processing (i.e. oleic, lineolaic,palmatic, etc.) Then you ratio the molar weight of the of the fatty acid components to the glycerol. This will give you a molar % of fatty acid to glycerol. Based on this ratio you can calculate the theoretical yield of fatty acid vs. glycerine. More to come. David - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil arent veggie oils like a cocktail of their own? no real specific answers, just an empirical average? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of late. Any one know? Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil
Thanks Keith, I thank every one for the replys. I wish to start working my way backward as a learning experience and I was wondering if there were big differences - apparently not and this is good info. I found a 150 gallon SS tank and fortune has allowed me a new lab complete with running water. Jim Keith Addison wrote: Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of late. Any one know? Jim Hello Jim The rule of thumb is 79 millilitres of glycerine for every litre of oil used (7.9%). -- How much glycerine? Why isn't it solid? Make your own biodiesel - page 2: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#howmuchglyc More information here: How much methanol? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html HTH. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil
Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of late. Any one know? Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil
arent veggie oils like a cocktail of their own? no real specific answers, just an empirical average? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of late. Any one know? Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
