Good Day All,
My question is in regards to the Quality test develop by Jan Warnqvist. Is
this test to be performed on the product before or after the glycerin has
been removed, or does it matter. I performed the test with out removing
glycerin and found that I got a clear bright phase except you
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:03 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test
Good Day All,
My question is in regards to the Quality test develop by Jan Warnqvist. Is
this test to be performed on the product before or after the glycerin has
been removed, or does it matter. I
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From: shawn patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test
Good Day All,
My question is in regards to the Quality test develop by Jan Warnqvist
: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test
Good Day All,
My question is in regards to the Quality test develop by Jan Warnqvist. Is
this test to be performed on the product before or after the glycerin has
been removed, or does it matter. I performed the test with out removing
glycerin and found that I got
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test
Good Day All,
My question is in regards to the Quality test develop by Jan Warnqvist. Is
this test to be performed on the product before or after the glycerin has
been removed, or does it matter. I performed
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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test
FWIW - I let the batch settle for a week or so (the lazy man's way) and
that also seems to help w/ this.
Thomas Kelly wrote:
Shawn,
I suspect that the dense substance at the bottom
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FWIW - I let the batch settle for a week or so (the lazy man's way) and
that also seems to help w/ this.
Thomas Kelly wrote:
Shawn,
I suspect
from an incomplete reaction?
Tom
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From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:46 PM
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FWIW - I let the batch
.
Tom
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From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:47 PM
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Well, I'm not really a greybeard, but since I've been settling both the
crack and the wash
: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test
Hey Tom;
Take a sample from your fuel after settling 6-8 hrs and set it asside in a
mason jar for the longer period and see what settles out. Rod believes that
glycerin settles slower in a poorly completed reaction
Thomas Kelly wrote:
Hi Joe,
glycerin settles slower in a poorly completed reaction.
I wonder why
Well I'm no chemist but my guess would be that the large Mono and Di and
triglyceride molecules that are left are jammed in between the ester
molecules and the glycerine has to jostle
it a try.
Tom
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From: Joe Street
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test
Thomas Kelly wrote:
Hi Joe,
glycerin settles
andwith the type of directions that I really
like.
Gary
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From:
Joe Street
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:20
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] quality test
questions
Hi Darryl;Sorry for the confusion. The point
Hi Joe
Hi Keith;
Best wishes for the new year
Thankyou, and to you and all.
and thanks for your tireless (seemingly) effort around here.
You're most welcome, thanks again. In truth I haven't had much time
for the list recently, we've been rushed off our feet for the last
four months, every
Keith;
Well thanks for your kind words r.e. my penchant for sharing info. I
got to tell you it warmed a corner in my little pinko commieluver heart
to hear it. I guess that proves what I suspected all along, that there
is a reason for people to strive other than material or monetary gain.
Hello Joe
Keith;
Well thanks for your kind words r.e. my penchant for sharing info.
:-) Not just kind, it's most important, IMHO. There are those that
just take, plenty of them, but I don't think it matters and nor do
they, just as long as other people go on sharing, which is what real
Hello Joe
Pardon the snip...
snip
I found that my success depended a lot on how careful I was with the
titration step. Also I found that when the 0.1% base solution was
added there was a tendancy for some oil to drop out and I think this
affected my accuracy. I built a stirrer to keep the
Hi Keith;
Best wishes for the new year and thanks for your tireless (seemingly)
effort around here.
I hope it doesn't look like I am implying a good titration can't be
done without going to this length. That is not the case. I just wanted
to share the idea incase anyone else wanted to give it
Ok you win Todd
Appal Energy wrote:
With all due respect Joe, nothing was missed in the slightest. But if
you wish to beat a dead horse, by all means feel free to do so.
The preference here is not to adhere to fall back positions of
"acceptability" until absolutely necessary.
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quality
test questions
Todd;
With all due respect, I think you missed my point. I agree that we
should
strive for a paper thin interface
:
[Biofuel]
quality
test questions
Todd;
With all due respect, I think you missed my point. I agree that we
should
strive for a paper thin interface, ( and I find it is easily achievable
with
experience) but when you put information out there like 1mm is ok and 5
mm is
relatively
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Todd;
With all due respect, I think you missed my point. I agree that we
should strive for a paper thin interface, ( and I find it is easily
achievable
Hi Todd;
When you talk about thickness of layers, is this with the Dr. Pepper
size container? Someone using a shallow wide container would have a
much worse condition (with a 1mm layer) than someone using a tall
narrow container no? Maybe when giving this type of information we
should talk
Let's wake up here, at least for the moment Joe.
Soda pop comes in multiple sized bottles, as do drums, tanks and
buckets. Your problem isn't dependant upon whether or not your container
was a 20 ounce, 1 liter or 2 liter jug.
The thin interface layer of a completed reaction is the result of
Huh??? I can buy that the interface layer for a completed reaction is
related to the contact between water and fuel as you say, and is
therefore dependent only on surface area of the interface, not volume
of the reaction. Therefore it is a constant thickness regardless of
volume or shape of the
Zeke,
Your comments reiterate what was said, save for one area.
Bad is a matter of subjective opininion. Whether the five centimeters
is in a five-thousand gallon tank, five-hundred or five still indicates
reaction incompletion. Five centimeters of emulsion in a spritz bottle
indicates the
Yes. You are right that we should strive for a complete reaction.
I've been reading too much about oil drilling today -- many of the
Saudi oil fields are yielding close to 50% water, which they have to
separate and pump back down, but that's considered okay or normal in
that industry (or at
Todd;
With all due respect, I think you missed my point. I agree that we
should strive for a paper thin interface, ( and I find it is easily
achievable with experience) but when you put information out there like
1mm is ok and 5 mm is relatively incomplete it is meaningless unless
you give
going back to my original question is would
this be ok to wash, dry and use?
Cheers
Darryl
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Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006
5:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] quality
test questions
With all due respect Joe, nothing was missed in the slightest. But if
you wish to beat a dead horse, by all means feel free to do so.
The preference here is not to adhere to fall back positions of
acceptability until absolutely necessary. (After all, people are
burning straight veg oil. A few
wishes
Keith
Cheers
Darryl
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Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions
Todd;
With all due respect, I think you missed my point. I agree
Hi,
I am just after a bit more advice regarding the quality test on a small test
batch. I followed the Dr Peppers technique using new canola oil and the
process seems to have worked out ok. When I do the quality test I get
separation in 30 mins, but also get a small (5cm) white layer between
Daryl,
The suggestion is that you understand precisely what it is that you're
looking at when you see a thick layer of emulsion in a wash. If the fuel
was manufactured properly, the interface layer between water and fuel in
a test wash would be only a milimeter or two thick. Five centimeters
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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 3:37 PM
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Subject: [Biofuel] quality test questions
Hi,
I am just after a bit more advice regarding the quality test on a small test
batch
, ever so slowly.
Thanks to all.
Tom
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Quality Test of biodiesel
Hello Tom
I
Hello Tom
I wanted to test a recent 25 gal batch of biodiesel.
I dissolved 25 ml of finished biodiesel in 225 ml methanol (Jan
Warnqist @ JtF Biodiesel and Your Vehicle) and got approx. 2ml
undissolved material at the bottom of the bottle, indicating an
incomplete reaction.
I
I wantedto test a
recent 25 gal batch of biodiesel.
I dissolved 25 ml
offinished biodiesel in 225 ml methanol (Jan Warnqist @ JtF "Biodiesel and
Your Vehicle") and got approx. 2ml undissolved material at the bottom of the
bottle, indicating an incomplete reaction.
I reprocessed 1L. of
?
Jeff
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Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:51:02 +0200
Hello Jeffery.
The test method that you are using seems to me highly dubious, since there
are a number
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Jan,
Thanks for the tip. We tried it and without stirring, there were clear
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From: Jeffrey Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:19 PM
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Hello all. Need some explanation and advise here on my experiments
please.
I have been
Hello all. Need some explanation and advise here on my experiments please.
I have been using virgin cooking palm oil for the experiments. When
following the steps for checking on quality, I put in 150ml of de ionised
battery water and 150ml of the biodiesel obtained but the end result was
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From: Jeffrey Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:19 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Quality Test
Hello all. Need some explanation and advise here on my experiments
please.
I have been using virgin cooking palm oil for the experiments. When
I had similar troubles, look for a more complete post from me on the
subject later in the day as I finish writing it.
some things that helped me:
it is cold here which slows everything down, I had to settle my last
batch for 7 days (it had separated in 12-24 hours but it was still hazy,
: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:00 PM
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dan,
I had similar troubles, look for a more complete post from me on the
subject later in the day as I finish writing it.
some things that helped me:
it is cold here which slows everything down, I had
new guy here again,
So I made my first test batch in a blender from wvo. It separated within
3 hours but I gave it overnight anyway. It was darker in color than I expected.
Anyway, I scooped 150 ml off the top of the container and put into a jar with
150 ml of water. I shook violently
layer was from mono- and di-glycerides that failed to convert.
The settling time alone should clue you in on this.
Todd Swearingen
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