Re: [Biofuel] Torture and/or Nuking Iran -- was Re: Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran

2006-05-10 Thread Randall
Keith, My point is not that people should not try to learn and do what is right and correct...it is that you CANNOT hold someone responsible for something that they have no CONTROL over. That is by its very definition, unfair. That is middle ages thinking at best. To be blunt, I generally

Re: [Biofuel] Torture and/or Nuking Iran -- was Re: Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran

2006-05-10 Thread Keith Addison
Sure, Randall, whatever. If I had any ire I'd maybe considering tempering it. Here's the specific question I posed to some colleagues: Does/can mainstream exposure to progressive ideas really make a difference? How can we tell? was Howard Zinn's response. Most actions/events, if they make a

Re: [Biofuel] Torture and/or Nuking Iran -- was Re: Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran

2006-05-10 Thread Keith Addison
Lots of people are commenting that Americans are waking up en masse. One view I get of it comes from what many American applicants to join the list tell listadmin. In the last year the numbers of applicants rose steadily overall, a considerably steeper rise than a year previously. The global

Re: [Biofuel] Torture and/or Nuking Iran -- was Re: Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran

2006-05-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Keith, You did forget to mention the around 50,000 dead children, because of lack of food and medicine as the direct result of the US led blockade of Iraq between the wars. It is difficult to see what the children did to deserve this. Hakan At 22:58 10/05/2006, you wrote: Sure, Randall,

Re: [Biofuel] Torture and/or Nuking Iran -- was Re: Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran

2006-05-10 Thread Michael Redler
"My point is not that people should not try to learn and do what is right and correct...it is that you CANNOT hold someone responsible for something that they have no CONTROL over. That is by its very definition, unfair."YouCANhold someone accountable for not acting locally to build a base

[Biofuel] Torture and/or Nuking Iran -- was Re: Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran

2006-05-09 Thread Randall
Keith, You said: We've just dealt with this, in the torture thread. Please go and read it. You are complicit. What are you doing about it? You're obliged to be aware of what your government does abroad with your tax money, and if you do nothing to counter it you are complicit. What other

Re: [Biofuel] Torture and/or Nuking Iran -- was Re: Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran

2006-05-09 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Randall Keith, You said: We've just dealt with this, in the torture thread. Please go and read it. You are complicit. What are you doing about it? You're obliged to be aware of what your government does abroad with your tax money, and if you do nothing to counter it you are complicit.