Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-15 Thread Taryn
Hi Zeke,On 9/14/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That monitoring station suggested to me that such a flying platform could... On a philosophical level, I often wonder why people are so excitedabout fancy new ideas like fusion, or flying wind turbines, etc.Isit that we hope to engineer a

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-15 Thread Leon Hulett
o: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: 9/15/05 2:57:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power Hi Zeke, On 9/14/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That monitoring station suggested to me that such a flying platform could... On a philosophical level, I often wonder why people are so excitedabout fancy

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-14 Thread ashok vora
Dear All, I suggest to visit website www.oterpowers.com for getting good basic knowledge of wind power and its application. Thanks A.P.VORA --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote: I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-14 Thread des
the URL is www.otherpower.com ashok vora wrote: Dear All, I suggest to visit website www.oterpowers.com for getting good basic knowledge of wind power and its application. Thanks A.P.VORA --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-14 Thread Leon Hulett
A.P.VORA That link didn't work for me. Can you check it? Leon Leon Hulett [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-14 Thread Leon Hulett
unattractive so you don't see them around. Leon [Original Message] From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: 9/14/05 12:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power Thanks Leon, this was helpful and interesting. A few thoughts and questions: A kite

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-14 Thread Zeke Yewdall
That monitoring station suggested to me that such a flying platform could be used for many things. These days quick response computer and cell phone transmissions might be a market. One company in Florida is proposing a platform flying 24/7 at 60 to 70 thousand feet for such markets. I

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-13 Thread Keith Addison
On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote: I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on Wind Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had visited their Solar One Site and thought they might like to do something with wind.

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-13 Thread TarynToo
Hi Keith, On Sep 13, 2005, at 4:00 AM, Keith Addison wrote: On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote: I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on Wind Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had visited their Solar One Site and

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-13 Thread Leon Hulett
@sustainablelists.org Date: 9/13/05 1:53:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote: I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on Wind Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had visited

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-13 Thread Joe Street
: Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote: I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on Wind Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had visited their Solar One Site and thought they might

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-13 Thread TarynToo
Thanks Leon, this was helpful and interesting. A few thoughts and questions: A kite at 30K feet would have at least 40K feet of tether, about 12 km of cable. I know there now exist carbon fiber cored, aluminum wrapped, power lines that are both stronger and lighter than copper or the common

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-12 Thread David Miller
Kirk McLoren wrote: Sometimes engineering proposals are just gee whiz stuff. Just to show that you are capable of thinking outside the box. They don't have to have much to do with practicality. The hazard to air navigation is enough to scuttle this idea let alone the liability

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-12 Thread Mike Weaver
Sparc IPX anyone? TarynToo wrote: Oh...doh...fooled me. I was looking forward to hearing all the good dirt... Mostly I blow my money maintaining my museum of ancient Mac, BSD, Solaris, Linux Boxen. Foolishly, I gave away my CBM PETs and C64s, but I still have my KIM1! Taryn

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-12 Thread Leon Hulett
] From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: 9/11/05 9:13:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power Really? Genuine scam? I read about it in Wired or Pop Sci, figured it was just a master's thesis, or some defense proposal. Taryn http://ornae.com

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-12 Thread Kirk McLoren
The jet stream doesn't lay in a river bed like water. It undulates constantly and has seasonal migration. Nor is it pretty much everywhere. Pilots know and use this knowledge. Except for Federal preserves your vacant desert doesn't exist. On the other hand there are projects with a lot of

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-12 Thread TarynToo
On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote: I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on Wind Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had visited their Solar One Site and thought they might like to do something with wind. What

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power (was C-SPAN

2005-09-11 Thread TarynToo
Hi JJJN, On Sep 10, 2005, at 9:47 PM, JJJN wrote: ... Ok one last question about wind farms. I told someone that wind farms have the _potential_ of changing the weather if there is enough energy extracted. I was laughed at and got that look _Now I did say potentia_l. The laws of

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power (was C-SPAN

2005-09-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
Wind farms work in the 100 meters closest to the earth. Due to interaction with the ground it is relatively low energy compared to 1km and higher above the ground. In other words it is in the noise in terms of measurement. If you are worried about windturbines then you should worry

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread dwoodard
I suspect that large arrays of wind farms would have an effect similar to forests. We've chopped down a lot of forests over tha last few hundred years, so this doesn't worry me. Tidal power would slow the earth's rotation a little faster than it is slowing anyway from friction - probably not a

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread TarynToo
On Sep 11, 2005, at 3:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that large arrays of wind farms would have an effect similar to forests. We've chopped down a lot of forests over tha last few hundred years, so this doesn't worry me. Tidal power would slow the earth's rotation a little

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread TarynToo
Really? Genuine scam? I read about it in Wired or Pop Sci, figured it was just a master's thesis, or some defense proposal. Taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 11, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: *Yeah, I invested in that. Ponzi scheme. TarynToo wrote: ... I remember some blue sky stuff

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread Mike Weaver
No, I was being silly! I prefer to blow my money building things like BD reactors or heat transfer devices for wood stoves! TarynToo wrote: Really? Genuine scam? I read about it in Wired or Pop Sci, figured it was just a master's thesis, or some defense proposal. Taryn http://ornae.com/ On

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
Sometimes engineering proposals are just gee whiz stuff. Just to show that you are capable of thinking outside the box. They don't have to have much to do with practicality. The hazard to air navigation is enough to scuttle this idea let alone the liability considerations of falling stuff. Just

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread TarynToo
Oh...doh...fooled me. I was looking forward to hearing all the good dirt... Mostly I blow my money maintaining my museum of ancient Mac, BSD, Solaris, Linux Boxen. Foolishly, I gave away my CBM PETs and C64s, but I still have my KIM1! Taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 11, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Mike