[biofuel] HCl (again)
Yesterday, just for the sake of it, I tried this out: .- Poured some alcohol through jelly (remember my post on dehydrating ethanol?). I have no way to know what the final content of water was after drying it with jelly, and for the process I«m about to describe, it probably wasn«t even necessary, but still.- .- Gathered 2 ml EtOH in a test tube. .- Mixed with 12 ml new sunflower oil .- Added (0,5ml?... or less... didn«t measure) of Muriatic Acid (35% HCl in water) Then heated at about 57 degrees, mixing for about an hour. I built a mixer out of a washing machine little 5W 220V motor, and a flat rod of stainless steel (like the type used as oil gauges, in the block of car engines). I also have a tea cup warmer (sort of a fancy resistance heater-plate on which to leave your cup of coffe). I found out that this plate maintains a 250 ml Erlenmeyer full of water at about 57 degrees celsius. So I inmersed my BD test tube in a water filled Erlenmeyer, and with the stirrer (clamped to a retort stand) in it for about an hour, and left it to settle overnight. The result: After a night settling, I can see about 2ml of a very pale yellow not-so-dense liquid (Anyone who can tell me if this is BD???) The rest (about 12 ml) is a murky white-ish stuff... (sort of like glycerin?), resting below the supposed-BD. I guess this could be it: CH-O-CO---R CH2OH CH2-O-CO-R + CH3CH2OH --(HCl, 57¡)-- CHOH + 3 R-OC-O-CH2CH3 CHO-C-O---R CH2OH PLUS: If anyone«s interested, I also made a batch of H2SO4 (Sulphuric Acid), by electrolysis of iron sulphate solution. I still have a lot of colloidal iron, but pH is down to about 2 or less. Best to you all, Christian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] HCL
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Re: [biofuel] HCL
I don«t know if I understand your question, but I«ll give it a go. HCl may be prepared by direct combination of the elements that form it: H2 + X2 -- 2HX -where X is generic for F, Cl, Br, I (Fluorine, Chlorine, Bromine, Iodine)- The reaction with F2 to produce HF is explosive and very dangerous. The reaction with Cl2 does not occur completely in darkness, but performs quickly in a chain photochemical reaction under light. The luminous energy is absorbed by the Cl2 molecules which decompose into chlorine radicals (very reactive atoms with un-paired electrons). These attack the H2 molecules and produce HCl molecules, leaving hydrogen atoms (also radicals) . The hydrogen radicals also attack Cl2 molecules to form HCl molecules and chlorine radicals, and so on and so forth. HCl is a colourless gas, melting point: -114.8 ¡C, Boiling point -84.9 ¡C A SAFER way of preparing HCl is by the reaction of a metallic chlorine compound, as NaCl (ordinary table salt) with a non volatile acid (concentrated H2SO4 or H3PO4) The formed HCl then bubbles out of the resulting solution. NaCl (s) + H2SO4 (aq) -- NaHSO4 (s) + HCl (g) Other reactions, like hydrolysis, that produce HCl: BCl3 + 3H2O -- H3BO3 + 3HCl SiCl4 + 2H2O -- SiO2 + 4HCl CONCLUSION: So, for small scale production, the best option would be NaCl and sulphuric acid. How to get sulphuric acid?... well, I do it by making electrolysis out of a copper sulphate solution (this is a widely available salt). I built my own electrolysis tub with a couple of the carbon rods inside ordinary 1.5 volt batteries (AA). The drawback of all this is that HCl is a GAS, so if you want HCl solution, you«d have to bubble the gas through distilled water, and for wat«s worth it, you«d be far better off buying ordinary MURIATIC acid (31% HCl in water). - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: [biofuel] HCL Can HCL be fomulated on a small scale? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ mensaje enviado desde http://www.iespana.es emails (pop)-paginas web (espacio ilimitado)-agenda-favoritos (bookmarks)-foros -Chat Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] HCL
Electrolysis of salt water. NaOH formed in the water, H and CL on respective electrode. Combine them (before they accumulate) in a non-glass vessel with some water in it. The HCl is very water soluble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 3:23 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] HCL Can HCL be fomulated on a small scale? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 12/19/2001 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
