Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-19 Thread Pieter Koole
, 2005 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein How about combining the glycerin with nitrogen to create nitroglycerin? I know, nitrogen is explosive but so is hydrogen. The engines in our vehicles are using what is called "explosion propulsion".

RE: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-19 Thread Chris Lloyd
How about combining the glycerin with nitrogen to create nitroglycerin? I know, nitrogen is explosive but so is hydrogen. Nitro-glycerine is a high explosive; the shock wave expands faster than the speed of sound. Not a good idea inside an enclosed space. Chris.   Wessex Ferret

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-19 Thread Mike Weaver
Great. NOW you tell me. Chris Lloyd wrote: How about combining the glycerin with nitrogen to create nitroglycerin? I know, nitrogen is explosive but so is hydrogen. Nitro-glycerine is a high explosive; the shock wave expands faster than the speed of sound. Not a good idea inside an

RE: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-19 Thread Joe . Guthrie
with internal combustion engines. Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/19/2005 07:58 AM Please respond to Biofuel To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org cc: Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein How about combining the glycerin

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-19 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Rob ok so this thread has drifted quite far from my original inquiry. Sorry about that. I was looking for specific, or even close estimates, of the acrolein emissions from glycerol burning in an open flame boiler/burner unit..not for its use as a motor fuel, or its combination with

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-19 Thread R Del Bueno
Thanks Keith, Well I have a few thoughts on the burning... I WAS hoping I could burn it in a Turk style (perhaps scaled up) burner, to heat water for various process uses..but I am concerned with the emissions... Another idea is to offload it to someone already in the pollution business

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-18 Thread Keith Addison
LOL all jokes aside, though, that's actually an interesting idea. if it were possible to keep the N and glycerine separate, and inject them into the cylinder where they would combine, then explode. . . . of course, there's the question of how energy efficient this would be (i'm assuming it

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-18 Thread r
How about using nitrox, as in used in recreational diving? I suppose that there is a need for energy to combine the nitrogen with the glycerin, to make the chemical reaction happen. Maybe carry 2 tanks (one of glycerin and one of nitrox)? There might be a pre-combustion chamber where a spark

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-18 Thread r
Who knows, I might be right next to you. ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: r wrote: How about using nitrox, nope, it won't work. Nitrox is just a mixture of oxygen and nitrogen with more oxygen than a normal atmosphere. to make nitroglycerin (actually easy) one need only combine fuming

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-18 Thread capt3d
hi rich. i'm not a chemist or engineer. anything beyond the very general and hypothetical comments i made previously are beyond me. this line of inquiry raises so many questions which i really don't consider myself competent to comment on (and therefore didn't). keith is right about how

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-18 Thread R Del Bueno
ok so this thread has drifted quite far from my original inquiry. I was looking for specific, or even close estimates, of the acrolein emissions from glycerol burning in an open flame boiler/burner unit..not for its use as a motor fuel, or its combination with nitrogen. -Rob At 01:58 PM

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-18 Thread bob allen
r wrote: How about using nitrox, nope, it won't work. Nitrox is just a mixture of oxygen and nitrogen with more oxygen than a normal atmosphere. to make nitroglycerin (actually easy) one need only combine fuming nitric, fuming sulfuric, and glycerin in the correct proportions, while

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-17 Thread the skapegoat
The chemical kinetics of fire is not understood very well. Smoking a cigarette will produce thousands of intermediate radicals, which will lead to thousands of end products, many of which are harmful. Altering temperature and other variables will lead to different end products. So unless you have

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-17 Thread r
How about combining the glycerin with nitrogen to create nitroglycerin? I know, nitrogen is explosive but so is hydrogen. The engines in our vehicles are using what is called "explosion propulsion". Exploding fuel pushes against pistons which are linked to a shaft, which is linked to the

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-17 Thread Ray J
nitrogen is explosive? .. crap. no one lite a match... lol... the earths atmosphere is 78.084% nitrogen Ray J r wrote: How about combining the glycerin with nitrogen to create nitroglycerin? I know, nitrogen is explosive but so is hydrogen. The engines in our vehicles are using

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-17 Thread capt3d
LOL all jokes aside, though, that's actually an interesting idea. if it were possible to keep the N and glycerine separate, and inject them into the cylinder where they would combine, then explode. . . . of course, there's the question of how energy efficient this would be (i'm assuming it

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-17 Thread Michael Redler
Have the big black helicopters landed in your back yard yet? How 'bout the guys in the black suits? All you have to do now is type the word Jihad and. oops! Mike[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOLall jokes aside, though, that's actually an interesting idea. if it were possible to keep the N and

Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein

2005-07-17 Thread the skapegoat
it's not.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOLall jokes aside, though, that's actually an interesting idea. if it were possible to keep the N and glycerine separate, and inject them into the cylinder where they would combine, then explode. . . .of course, there's the question of how energy efficient this