RE: [biofuel] Can I please get some help ?
Your probably has too much water in it. This is also the result I got when I tried the process with oil that was not heated to remove the water. =-Original Message- =From: Pieter Koole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:42 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: [biofuel] Can I please get some help ? = = =Hi all. =Yesterday and today I made my first batch of BD using the =foolproof method. =Neither in the acid stage, nor in the second stage any separation occured. =The methanol is floating on the top and the whole lot looks like =coffee with =too much milk in it. =At the bottom I find some salt, which is probably NaOH. =The oil I used is a very good quality, almost SVO. =What have I done wrong ? =I couln't get the temperature higher than 35¡ C. =I have tried to do it exactly as Aleks Kac writes on the site. = =Groeten, =Pieter =Netherlands. = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Can I please get some help ?
Dag Pieter Hi all. Yesterday and today I made my first batch of BD using the foolproof method. Neither in the acid stage, nor in the second stage any separation occured. The methanol is floating on the top and the whole lot looks like coffee with too much milk in it. At the bottom I find some salt, which is probably NaOH. The oil I used is a very good quality, almost SVO. What have I done wrong ? I couln't get the temperature higher than 35¡ C. I have tried to do it exactly as Aleks Kac writes on the site. Groeten, Pieter Netherlands. This is very puzzling. I can't imagine how you achieved such a result. We've used the acid-base method with all kinds of oils in all kinds of conditions, good and bad, and considerably tortured the method as well, but we never got it not to work. This is both the current version and the previous version, which works well, but we prefer the revised version. Actually we don't use either of them as standard, we use quite a severe adaptation, for various reasons, but it's based entirely on the Foolproof method, and if that wasn't reliable this wouldn't work at all. We also regularly do a batch the regular way, as it's written, without any problems. Quality's always high, yields high, no wash problems. Certainly never any methanol floating on top, and it always splits well at the beginning of the second stage. Anyway, you haven't provided much information. You do have a strange way of making biodiesel by the single-stage base method - we established it still contains unreacted material, as well as various impurities because you don't wash it. So if you want us to troubleshoot your acid-base tests, we really need details rather than taking anything for granted. So. How much oil did you use - was this a small test batch? I hope so. How did you heat it and how did you agitate it? How did you mix the methoxide? - I can't imagine anything that would separate the NaOH unless you didn't mix it thoroughly in the first place. Acid would separate it from the glycerine by-product cocktail, but it would need more acid to do that than the amount of sulphuric acid specified, which should have been more than neutralised by the methoxide anyway. How much sulphuric acid did you use? What was the purity? What proportion of the total amount of methanol is floating on top? For how long did you process each stage? How long did it settle in between? And how come the low second-stage temperature? Beste Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Can I please get some help ?
Hi all. Yesterday and today I made my first batch of BD using the foolproof method. Neither in the acid stage, nor in the second stage any separation occured. The methanol is floating on the top and the whole lot looks like coffee with too much milk in it. At the bottom I find some salt, which is probably NaOH. The oil I used is a very good quality, almost SVO. What have I done wrong ? I couln't get the temperature higher than 35¡ C. I have tried to do it exactly as Aleks Kac writes on the site. Groeten, Pieter Netherlands. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
