Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Marco Fretz
Boris Meyer wrote: no one cares about security and I think swinog should care about security! use IRC, install one of the thousands IRC clients available and ask your security guru to open the port, or do it on your own ^^ You can connect via SSL for a little bit of enhanced security

Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Rainer Duffner
Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb: From: Martin Ebnoether [EMAIL PROTECTED] All that is needed to take Skype down is an automatic windows update of some thousand computers. Remember last summer? http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819 hey Venty, long time no see :)

Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden roger
i was requesting twice on http://www.warmduscher- abc.ch/warmduscher_abc.asp to add the term Skype-Benutzer but as the maintainer seems to be an skype fan it getting ignored Roger Am 7 Oct 2008 um 9:32 hat Marco Fretz geschrieben: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IRC is cool - IRC is a geek

Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Boris Meyer
12:54 -!- Irssi: Connecting to irc.subcult.ch [213.180.174.250] port 6667 12:54 -!- Irssi: Connection to irc.subcult.ch established 12:54 !irc.subcult.ch *** Looking up your hostname... 12:54 !irc.subcult.ch *** Checking Ident 12:54 !irc.subcult.ch *** No Ident response 12:54 !irc.subcult.ch ***

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Tonnerre Lombard
Salut, Per, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:38:56 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: The idea of open source is not so much that you get to check it yourself, but much more that it is open for hundreds of thousands of other people to check. If for instance the quality/security of a piece of code is

[swinog] Embedded Linux practicing

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Stanislav Sinyagin
ok guys, now some real stuff :) I've got one of these boards http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4514239441.html in order to practice my skills in embedded linux applications. My first mini-project is to build a small Wifi (or even Bluetooth?) hotspot (only for home use, of course) which would

Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Stanislav Sinyagin
Bernard, this one looks really nice. If you've got the sponsoring, then I'm in :) - Original Message From: Bernard Dugas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 2:18:29 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing Hello, Stanislav

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Guazzoni Daniele, CH
Open does not implicitly mean crap and closed also don’t mean automatically good... Actually I'm sick and tired of discussions regarding opensource as most of the time they just flame up (as here). My 2 cts: Use whatever you want, have your idea about it, but don't try to convince others about

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Beat Rubischon
Hello! Am 07.10.08 14:33 schrieb Jeroen Massar unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Better then to pay the closed source folks and let them do it, as they will also maintain the changes for yo. Each day I work with Open Source and Closed Source tools and applications. Usually I see commercial software

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
Guazzoni Daniele, CH wrote: Open does not implicitly mean crap and closed also don’t mean automatically good... Actually I'm sick and tired I hope you get better soon *wink* of discussions regarding opensource as most of the time they just flame up (as here). See the subject line that I

Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Bernard Dugas
Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: Bernard, this one looks really nice. If you've got the sponsoring, then I'm in :) I was answering to ideas question, no sponsoring question :-) But anybody else interested in sponsoring ? any ideas what else could be an interesting project? Best regrads, --

Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Bernard Dugas
Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: Bernard, this one looks really nice. If you've got the sponsoring, then I'm in :) I was answering to ideas question, no sponsoring question :-) But anybody else interested in sponsoring ? any ideas what else could be an interesting project? Best regards, --

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
Beat Rubischon wrote: Hello! Am 07.10.08 14:33 schrieb Jeroen Massar unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Better then to pay the closed source folks and let them do it, as they will also maintain the changes for yo. Each day I work with Open Source and Closed Source tools and applications. Usually

Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden roger
so .. we have to be carefull what we buy .. more difficult than buy something 1938 .. where you could be sued for buying electronic parts which could enable you to hear other Radio programms than göbbels-schnauze never buy more than one cutter-knive at one time, or you could be a possi ble

Re: [swinog] open source illusions (was: Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?))

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Tonnerre Lombard wrote: Salut, Per, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:01:24 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: fixing something yourself is also pretty much an illusion, except for those few people who are sufficiently involved. When have you last _had_ to fix anything yourself in a stable release of any open

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Silvan Gebhardt wrote: I guess it's not about Fixing but also expanding small example: I use a extension to my gnome panel called SSH Menu I can add hosts which it opens me a ssh session in a terminal just by clicking on the menu entry. now I wanted to expand that to include RDP

Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden roger
back to the orginal topic, today the same again [Tue.06:07] -irc.subcult.ch- *** Checking Ident - [Tue.06:07] -irc.subcult.ch- *** Found your hostname and thats it .. stays there .. after 4 minutes the client disc. and retry to connect. will be shure in 30 minutes everything will be fine

[swinog] open source illusions (was: Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?))

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Tonnerre Lombard wrote: I think that the advantage of Open Source does indeed lie in the fact that you have the ability to fix things yourself, Hi Tonnerre fixing something yourself is also pretty much an illusion, except for those few people who are sufficiently involved. When have you

Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Steven.Glogger
go and contact Swisscom Innovations - they probably would try to sell this - as long as it's using the MOBILE network (wifi/umts) ,-) -steven -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stanislav Sinyagin Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:21 PM To:

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Attila Kinali
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:11:45 +0200 Tonnerre Lombard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:38:56 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: The idea of open source is not so much that you get to check it yourself, but much more that it is open for hundreds of thousands of other people to check. If

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Silvan Gebhardt
I guess it's not about Fixing but also expanding small example: I use a extension to my gnome panel called SSH Menu I can add hosts which it opens me a ssh session in a terminal just by clicking on the menu entry. now I wanted to expand that to include RDP Sessions - okay - took the code, and

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
Silvan Gebhardt wrote: I guess it's not about Fixing but also expanding small example: I use a extension to my gnome panel called SSH Menu I can add hosts which it opens me a ssh session in a terminal just by clicking on the menu entry. now I wanted to expand that to include RDP

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Attila Kinali
Hoi Beat, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:07:45 +0200 Beat Rubischon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The major advantage for OpenSource is the visibility of the code - no code monkey is able to hide 20 years old buggy crap when he needs to provide the sources. Believe me, this is a great motivation for a lot

Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Martin Ebnoether
On the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:26:37AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin blubbered: Hoi Stan! All that is needed to take Skype down is an automatic windows update of some thousand computers. Remember last summer? http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819 hey Venty, long time no see

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Tonnerre Lombard
Salut, Marco, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:47:41 +0200, Marco Fretz wrote: I usually don't have a look at the code at all. But point is, it's code, tested and build by a community not a closed company with their own, secret business goals...! I don't want be a victim of global marketing data

Re: [swinog] open source illusions (was: Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?))

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Tonnerre Lombard
Salut, Per, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:01:24 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: fixing something yourself is also pretty much an illusion, except for those few people who are sufficiently involved. When have you last _had_ to fix anything yourself in a stable release of any open source project? Being a

Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Bernard Dugas
Hello, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: any ideas what else could be an interesting project? Or probably you have a real project in mind? What about : - a device that would be installed in cars , - to build a mesh wifi 2.45GHz between cars, - and a 5.4GHz to some external relays when available, - to

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Tonnerre Lombard
Salut, king of the huns, On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:40:13 +0200, Attila Kinali wrote: Anyone who has ever written more than a few lines of C code knows that gcc is crap... unfortunately, it's the best compiler out there. The comercial compilers usualy segfault at every second file of my favorite

Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Scott Weeks
I can't resist. ...if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that... Only from the unknowledgeable that don't control Javascript (NoScript), flash (etc.), cookies or 'stuff'. Therefore, you have skewed stats. ...There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I

Re: [swinog] open source illusions

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Marc Balmer wrote: actually indent(1), a program to indent and format C program source bears a copyright from 1976: * Copyright (c) 1976 Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois. 32 years. And still useful. And this is the oldest copyright I could find in an operating system

Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Marc SCHAEFER
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 04:50:34AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: My first mini-project is to build a small Wifi (or even Bluetooth?) hotspot (only for home use, of course) which would take its Internet feed from one of those mobile USB GPS modems that you get for few francs a month from

Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Stanislav Sinyagin
Marc, the goal is not to build it from commodity parts, but to learn how to build such systems in general :) From scratch, starting with custom kernel build, then tailored busybox, then web management and stuff... that's what I call open source: working with the source :-) - Original

Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Marc SCHAEFER
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 11:44:42AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: Marc, the goal is not to build it from commodity parts, but to learn how to build such systems in general :) From scratch, starting with custom kernel build, then tailored busybox, then web management and stuff... You are

Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden roger
got to nazgul and it worked the first second, opened an second irc client tried subcult .. timeout Roger Am 7 Oct 2008 um 12:59 hat Boris Meyer geschrieben: 12:54 -!- Irssi: Connecting to irc.subcult.ch [213.180.174.250] port 6667 12:54 -!- Irssi: Connection to irc.subcult.ch established

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Ihsan Dogan
Am 7.10.2008 8:47 Uhr, Marco Fretz schrieb: That's not the point. Of course we don't check the whole source code. I usually don't have a look at the code at all. But point is, it's code, tested and build by a community not a closed company with their own, secret business goals...! I don't

Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Ihsan Dogan
Am 7.10.2008 9:32 Uhr, Marco Fretz schrieb: Skype is like MSN Messenger, just another ugly overloaded communication tool. if I have to choose between skype and MSN, it's MSN, because there are a lot of opensource and freeware alternatives to the bad Live Messenger from Microschrott, ah

[swinog] Migros and coop privacy violence

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden roger
On the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:26:37AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin blubbered: Hi. going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example). There's nothing bad

[swinog] Migros and coop privacy violence

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden roger
On the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:26:37AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin blubbered: Hi. going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example). There's nothing bad

[swinog] open source patch to coop and migros

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Zorg 421
I'm very much involved in the scene of goumoens-la-ville (doing theatre) and I must admit I don't write enough patches.The first real pride of mine in this area was fixing, well, not really, almost beeing able to fix a bug in... the linux kernel (waouw, tremendous!). it was about a kernel lockup

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Tonnerre Lombard
Hey, Ihsan, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:53:28 +0200, Ihsan Dogan wrote: One of the big reasons why people are buying commercial software products is, that they can get support and SLA. Most of the open source projects cannot provide that. Not by themselves, but you can get that support through

Re: [swinog] open source illusions (was: Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?))

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Peter Keel
* on the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 02:01:24PM +0200, Per Jessen wrote: fixing something yourself is also pretty much an illusion, except for those few people who are sufficiently involved. When have you last _had_ to fix anything yourself in a stable release of any open source project? We've

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Peter Keel
* on the Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 06:50:54PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: I've done too much cmputer security, and now I've got a déformation professionelle. I won't use closed software for anything crucial like communication; You don't use Cisco's or Junipers? How do you use the Internet