Re: [systemd-devel] thoughts on different command structure

2016-10-06 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 05.10.16 21:26, Xen (l...@xenhideout.nl) wrote: > > As for /usr/libexec/systemd/systemd … well, maybe it should be called > >systemd-initd from the start. Now it's too late. > > It says it is called "init" anyway. It is still started as > /sbin/init. That really depends on your distro

Re: [systemd-devel] thoughts on different command structure

2016-10-06 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 05.10.16 19:00, Xen (l...@xenhideout.nl) wrote: > Just some considerations I posted elsewhere: I am neither convinced that your suggested names are substantially better than the current ones, nor do I think that changing names of the tools now is an OK thing to do, already in order not

Re: [systemd-devel] thoughts on different command structure

2016-10-06 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 05.10.16 19:12, Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl) wrote: > Binaries prefixed with systemd- are either not to be started manually > (systemd-journald, networkd etc) or not stable/mature enough to be widely > used – like cgtop, cgls. The latter kind can be renamed if it > matured

Re: [systemd-devel] thoughts on different command structure

2016-10-05 Thread Xen
Xen schreef op 05-10-2016 22:09: Reindl Harald schreef op 05-10-2016 21:50: as long as your are not able to distinct between firstname and lastname or at least quote the last name correctly: well, go pee, it's more productive than ideas change anything for no reason to bomb us (us is

Re: [systemd-devel] thoughts on different command structure

2016-10-05 Thread Xen
Reindl Harald schreef op 05-10-2016 21:50: Am 05.10.2016 um 21:42 schrieb Xen: Reindl Harald schreef op 05-10-2016 21:33: Am 05.10.2016 um 21:26 schrieb Xen: Tomasz Torcz schreef op 05-10-2016 19:12: On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 07:00:11PM +0200, Xen wrote: [ … renaming propositions … ]

Re: [systemd-devel] thoughts on different command structure

2016-10-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.10.2016 um 21:42 schrieb Xen: Reindl Harald schreef op 05-10-2016 21:33: Am 05.10.2016 um 21:26 schrieb Xen: Tomasz Torcz schreef op 05-10-2016 19:12: On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 07:00:11PM +0200, Xen wrote: [ … renaming propositions … ] Uh, it is way too late for such changes.

Re: [systemd-devel] thoughts on different command structure

2016-10-05 Thread Xen
Reindl Harald schreef op 05-10-2016 21:33: Am 05.10.2016 um 21:26 schrieb Xen: Tomasz Torcz schreef op 05-10-2016 19:12: On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 07:00:11PM +0200, Xen wrote: [ … renaming propositions … ] Uh, it is way too late for such changes. Maybe if you brought this five years ago…

Re: [systemd-devel] thoughts on different command structure

2016-10-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.10.2016 um 21:26 schrieb Xen: Tomasz Torcz schreef op 05-10-2016 19:12: On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 07:00:11PM +0200, Xen wrote: [ … renaming propositions … ] Uh, it is way too late for such changes. Maybe if you brought this five years ago… Right now it would only bring pointless

Re: [systemd-devel] thoughts on different command structure

2016-10-05 Thread Xen
Tomasz Torcz schreef op 05-10-2016 19:12: On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 07:00:11PM +0200, Xen wrote: [ … renaming propositions … ] Uh, it is way too late for such changes. Maybe if you brought this five years ago… Right now it would only bring pointless differentation between older and newer

Re: [systemd-devel] thoughts on different command structure

2016-10-05 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 07:00:11PM +0200, Xen wrote: > [ … renaming propositions … ] Uh, it is way too late for such changes. Maybe if you brought this five years ago… Right now it would only bring pointless differentation between older and newer distributions. We just started unification

[systemd-devel] thoughts on different command structure

2016-10-05 Thread Xen
Just some considerations I posted elsewhere: - I think there are good reasons to do away with -ctl nomenclature no matter how prevalent these days across Linux systems. - You could call the journalctl tool "journals" -- it doesn't exist, could give access to various system logs, and become