t-and-f: Re: Defining Olympic moment

Title: Re: Defining Olympic moment Willy Beaman Wrote 400m Cathy - the defining moment of the Olympic Games. Aboriginal flag makes the loop. The music plays, and the most endearing image of any Olympic Games is burned into our minds. One of the more defining recent moments was

t-and-f: A new drug for better running...

Apples and Your Air Supply [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kcsd.realage.com/RealAge123393958.4207.0.524 An apple a day . . . could help you breathe easier. It's true. Researchers in London found that study participants who ate five or more apples a week had significantly better lung function

FW: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin

Posted For Willy (at his request)! I am a tad surprised by the dearth of comments about the impending politics in the USA men's 4x100 relay. Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: FW: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin

In a message dated 9/5/00 6:28:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am a tad surprised by the dearth of comments about the impending politics in the USA men's 4x100 relay. The shit will hit the fan soon enough. A.C.

Re: t-and-f: day 11 wit and wisdom

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:08:03 EDT Subject: t-and-f: day 11 wit and wisdom To: New choice . . . JOHNSON. Why? Started (?) the sunglasses craze . . . a ridiculous trend that has 'athletes' all over the world parading around $200 eyewear indoors, posing for camera ops a la

Re: t-and-f: re: Time to start talking about the games !!

Wow ... I guess I've arrived if there are those who want to be anti me ... Cool ... As for Inger there is the possibility that she could win .. She's been right there before with Marion in both events .. And on any given day .. Who knows .. I think she has a better shot in the 200 (more time to

Re: t-and-f: The Relay team

In a message dated 09/02/2000 1:35:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, has a "club" team ever run faster? And has a "club" ever held the world record? HSI's 37.65 is the fastest by a club eclipsing the 37.79 run by Santa Monica in 1991 1994 ... Not

Re: FW: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin

over the years. But the mention of HSI seems to bring the worst out of many. Please explain to me? I remember the reaming of Darrell when he used to post here, and I often wondered what was the reason for the venom. It's the flag. There is something a little bit over the top about taking

t-and-f: Track Fashion (was: day 11 wit and wisdom)

Dave says: Allan Johnson was a generation removed from starting the sunglasses craze. As I remember, and I may be starting late--help me, Ed Grant--it was Charlie Greene who made sunglasses a tf fashion statement. That was in the mid-'60s, before "fashion statements" existed. Greene in the

Re: t-and-f: A new drug for better running...

--- "McDonald, Craig Richard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another study revealed similar findings and also suggested that an antioxidant flavonoid called quercetin, which apples have in abundance, may be responsible for the effect. I believe Quercetin is a common herbal allergy medication.

t-and-f: A thought...

Hi All Several people have commented that the one thing which we don't seem to discuss on this list is actual results. I have a feeling that's because very few results are posted to the list anymore. I know that it is ever easier to look stuff up on the web, but it's a hassle to then note the

t-and-f: Trinity Gray 1:44.91

Didn't anyone else notice the PR by Gray? Is this the first sub 1:45 this year by the United States? Too bad he is not going to Syndey... Dave Cahill Greater Boston Track Club __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from

Re: t-and-f: Ginseng

Oops, I don't think ginseng was what I meant to write, but I forget now what exactly I had in mind... Dan --- Mike Moyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know for sure if ginseng is in fact banned. The banned list that I have has no mention of it. Since there are different variations

Re: t-and-f: Trinity Gray 1:44.91

At 10:48 AM 9/5/00 -0700, Dave Cahill wrote: Yes, he ran a 1:45.10 earlier. So he has the top two US times. george Didn't anyone else notice the PR by Gray? Is this the first sub 1:45 this year by the United States? Too bad he is not going to Syndey... Dave Cahill Greater Boston Track Club

t-and-f: SURVIVOR--day 13

Thanks to a spate of new participaints who made day 12 the busiest day since the first one. Those who wish to participate now that we're down to just (drum roll.) 4 names; you've got 24 hours (i.e., until noon PDT Wednesday) to cut yet another Sacto champion from the dinner table. If

t-and-f: SURVIVOR--down to 4

Adam Goucher a solid choice for the latest whacking, which made sense after being No. 2 the day before and No.3 the day before that. Based on that kind of progression, the next cut will be . (nah, you gotta do it). gh ps--only one bit of wit and wisdom, not worth separate post by

t-and-f: Trinity Gray

He also ran a nice 600 m. behind Longo's recent European record. I don't have the post handy but I wonder where the time might have landed on the all time US list. Steve Podgajny -- Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 11:57:29 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: t-and-f: SURVIVOR--day 13

.any chance of giving this a rest?? The right forum? JT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to a spate of new participaints who made day 12 the busiest day since the first one. Those who wish to participate now that we're down to just (drum roll.) 4 names; you've got 24

t-and-f: Re: Track Fashion (was: day 11 wit and wisdom)

Kurt Bray wins Dave Johnson's money, or what there is of it. Kurt is most assuredly correct about Berruti, and I believe Eddy Ottoz had also taken to sunglasses before Charlie Greene started the look in the US. - Dave says: Allan Johnson was a generation removed from starting

RE: t-and-f: Trinity Gray

Here are all-time US top-10 for 600m 1 1.12,81Johnny GrayUSA 60-06-191 Santa Monica1986-05-24 2 1.13,80Earl Jones USA 64-07-172 Santa Monica1986-05-24 3 1.14,15David Mack

RE: t-and-f: Re: Track Fashion (was: day 11 wit and wisdom)

Even before Berutti, didn't 1948 women's multiple gold medallist/concert pianist Micheline Ostermayer also compete in dark glasses? Regards - Graham Thomas - http://homepages.go.com/~oztrack -Original Message- From: Dave Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 6 September

Re: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin

While we ponder the foolishness of the powers that be, we have missed an interesting issue. The 4x400m relay. Who will run the final? Let's say it is the top 3, and then who? I have even money on Angelo Taylor. For 2 year snow he has been tauted and almost groomed for the relay spot. A

Re: t-and-f: re: Time to start talking about the games !!

Let's test ourselves. 2nd and 3rd for the 400m, men and women. Men Antonio P - experience and will get him past the field in teh last 10 m Alvin Harrison - been here before, as long as he avoids lane 1 this year he will contend for the silver Women Latasha C. - no one else has shown me

Re: t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin

On Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:23 PM Willy Beaman said: While we ponder the foolishness of the powers that be, we have missed an interesting issue. The 4x400m relay. Who will run the final? Let's say it is the top 3, and then who? I have even money on Angelo Taylor. For 2 year snow he

Fw: t-and-f: Age group Road Records

- Original Message - From: mike fanelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brian McGuire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:46 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Age group Road Records Try Ryan Lamppa at the USATF Road Running Information Center www.usaldr.org Mike Fanelli -

Re: t-and-f: re: Time to start talking about the games !!

In a message dated 9/5/00 16:17:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 5000 Haile - the elusive gold will be his this year. Is he running? definitely not (far as we've been told) gh

Re: t-and-f: Brussels 10k

In a message dated 9/5/00 11:24:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In such an important race is there no video camera fixed on the finish so each athlete could be seen and counted on each lap? Will there be one in Sydney? i believe that at all WC meets, at least, the IAAF makes sure it has tape

t-and-f: track (err, field) on TV tonite

how come nobody gave advance warning that the Ultimate Heavy Athletics World Championships would be on The Deuce on tuesday night? Direct from Fredericksburg, VA, before a crowd of dozens, a bunch of whales chucking things like the 28lb hammer (one-handed), 22lb hammer (on a stick), caber,

Re: RE: RE: t-and-f: Austrailian continental marks

In a message dated 9/4/00 20:27:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When Marita Koch ran her 47.60 on 6 October 1985 and took nearly half a second off the old world mark, the temperature in Canberra was around 22 degrees (71F)with a 15km/hour wind prevailing. The forecast had been for a

t-and-f: BMC Nike Grand Prix at Scotstoun, Glasgow, UK, 3rd September 2000

Highlight of the day was a new personal best by junior Stefan Beumer, dob 28/04/81, which must make him one of the favourites for the World Junior Championships. And yes, Allen Graffin did run three times, the 800m C race, the 3,000m and the 1,500m 'A' race, all within two hours, whilst his

t-and-f: OC Bans Athletes From Net Storytelling

t-and-f: OC Bans Athletes From Net Storytelling It's not just net storytelling. As I understand for many Games athletes have not been able to write newspaper columns or work as TV or radio reporters. Randall Northam

t-and-f: Kenya send champion home from Sydney

sorry if this has already been posted Athletics-Kenya send champion home from Sydney NAIROBI, Sept 4 (Reuters) - Kenyan athletics officials in Australia for the Sydney Olympics have ordered their 800 metres Commonwealth champion Patrick Konchella to return home. Tom Omuombo,

Re: t-and-f: Most members of the same club at the Olympic games?

In a message dated 9/5/0 4:12:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the last count, there are 18 paid-up members of the British Milers' Club (BMC) who have been selected by their national federations to represent their country in Sydney. Can any other club, first or second claim, rival this

Re: t-and-f: OC Bans Athletes From Net Storytelling

Cliff Blair was a hammer thrower from Boston University who made the US team in 1956, went to Australia to compete at Melbourne. Majoring in jounalism, he arranged to send to the Boston Globe reports of his experience at the Games. He did so. He was then told that he had violated the rules

Re: t-and-f: day 11 wit and wisdom

On Tuesday, September 05, 2000 9:43 AM Northam said: As I remember, and I may be starting late--help me, Ed Grant--it was Charlie Greene who made sunglasses a tf fashion statement. That was in the mid-'60s, before "fashion statements" existed. We were talking about this at the AAA

Re: t-and-f: Which athletes in which event?

Robert Korzeniowski told me in Hildesheim over the season that he will try both events - the 20k and the 50k. All who speak German can find the interview at www.steeple.de Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Christoph Thurner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

t-and-f: Age group Road Records

Does anyone know where I can find world and national age-group records for road races? Brian McGuire

Re: t-and-f: College Marathoners

My brother ran for Brevard (JUCO at the time)- I'll ask him. I know he told me that he went from a HS program doing 55-60 miles a week, to Brevard where he jumped to 110 miles a week and he felt exhausted all the time, then went on to Florida State where he dropped it down to 90 miles a week

RE: t-and-f: college and marathoning

I'm not understanding the point of this one: "I think the US junior marathon record was broken by a guy still in college.I think it was Paul Gompers in 1985 with a 2:15 marathon and he had another year at Harvard." Just about all Junior records are held by college freshman. Most would have

re: t-and-f: Brussels 10k

Wasn't there a relatively recent IAAF rule requiring lap scorers in the long races and specifying that no lap scorer was supposed to be responsible for more than 3 runners? If so, there should be lap sheets for each runner recording the completion of each lap (and if they were sensible, the

t-and-f: Winds a major concern

The Irish Times Wednesday, September 6, 2000 Officials admitted yesterday that if the gale-force winds which caused disruption in the area of the Olympic Stadium occurred once the Olympic Games get under way, delays could be inevitable. Following several hours of windy conditions, Sydney

Re: t-and-f: College Marathoners

That marathoner was Bob Deines who placed 6th on a hot, slow day,(winning time only 2:22:17, Burfoot) in 2:30:13. Deines did not get along well with Dixon, his coach. Tom Derderian author of Boston Marathon: The History of the World's Premiere Running Event -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: (fwd) re: t-and-f: Brussels 10k

It was my understanding that runners had been wearing computer chips in the bibs this season in the big Euro meets, hence the impressive "distance behind" split for the runners in the lead pack that had been coming through each lap on the TV coverage (at least the UK version being shown

t-and-f: Selected results from Germany

Koenigs Wusterhausen, 29 Aug 110mh: Crews 13.57 LJ: Prah 8.06 HT: Ziolkowski POL 78.87, Kobs 78.34, Weis 77.74 Palyszko POL 77.12, Esser 74.88 w200m: Philipp 22.94 w4x100m: Germany 42.80 Bad Koestritz, 3 Sep DT. Riedel 65.31 HT: Kobs 76.80, Weis 74.89 wSP: Kumbernuss 20.12, Kleinert-Schmitt

Re: t-and-f: OC Bans Athletes From Net Storytelling

- Original Message - From: Allen M James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 6:52 AM Subject: t-and-f: OC Bans Athletes From Net Storytelling Hmmm i wonder if there are any jounalists who are also athletes competing at the games. I guess either

t-and-f: Spanish champs

how does Spain pick its Olympic team? do top three automatically go or what? in Monti's RRW today some of the top Spanish distance runners either DNF'd or DNS'd... Joel [.sig] AXAF Public Outreach: http://xrtpub.harvard.edu Morceli Home Page:

Re: Does college hurt our marathoners? (Was: Re: t-and-f: IAAF list of top marathoners)

we can thank the ncaa for further limiting the pool of people . . . considering that the ncaa won't even allow one full scholarship per championship event, adding the marathon to the ncaa slate wouldn't necessarily help a lot. for coaches, it would be just one more event over which to

Re: t-and-f: day 11 wit and wisdom

As I remember, and I may be starting late--help me, Ed Grant--it was Charlie Greene who made sunglasses a tf fashion statement. That was in the mid-'60s, before "fashion statements" existed. We were talking about this at the AAA championships the other day, and we remembered Dr Merryweather,

Re: Re: t-and-f: flo-jo

Re: Flojo. I can't see either side swaying the other in this argument at this point barring a confession from Flojo (unlikely) or Al (possibly less likely). Steve S. Speaking of Al Joyner, didn't I see that he had been named an assistant coach at UCLA? Don't recall any discussion regarding

Does college hurt our marathoners? (Was: Re: t-and-f: IAAF list oftop marathoners)

Someone just asked about the reasons behind the United States marathon woes. The problem (if you believe there is a problem) has many facets but one that hasn't come up is the U.S. college system. While I'm generally a big fan of collegiate track and field, I wonder if college distance prevents

t-and-f: Marion Jones gold poll

Hello t-and-f fans, I'd like to suggest that someone may put the following poll on his/her (track-related) homepage: How many gold medals will Marion Jones get in Sydney? 0 ( ) 1 ( ) 2 ( ) 3 ( ) 4 ( ) 5 ( ) Btw, I don't think she will do the five. Greets Christoph

Re: Does college hurt our marathoners? (Was: Re: t-and-f: IAAF list of top marathoners)

I have a vague recollection that there was a marathon championship back in the late 70s or early 80s in one of the smaller college or JUCO organizations. Maybe I'm just mis-remembering that there were collegiate team entries in an open championship. Can anybody out there help on this one?

t-and-f: Programming Note (NYC Tri-State Interest Only)

Track Listers and RRW Subscribers, Two participation sports shows only available to television viewers in the New York City Tri-State area which might interest you: I. Running New York (MSG Network) Highlights for September, 2000: . Lamisil AT Manhattan Half-Manhattan, fourth stop in the PHS

RE: t-and-f: day 11 wit and wisdom

Intern shirt and suh-spend-dahs! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of northam Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 9:43 AM To: posting Subject: Re: t-and-f: day 11 wit and wisdom As I remember, and I may be starting late--help me, Ed

t-and-f: College Marathoners

At 02:00 PM 9/5/00 -0600, P.F.Talbot wrote: Someone just asked about the reasons behind the United States marathon woes. The problem (if you believe there is a problem) has many facets but one that hasn't come up is the U.S. college system. While I'm generally a big fan of collegiate track and

Re: t-and-f: Baily at Meeting de Nancy

On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, David Monti wrote: Nancy, FRA (03-Sep). 100m Race A (-1.4) 1. 10.28 Patros, David, Amiens Uc 2. 10.33 Bailey, Donovan, Canada 3. 10.51 Nordin, Rodrigue, Neuilly-plaisance Sports 4. 10.58 Ganda, Thomas, Sierra Leone 5. 10.63 Vallon-hoareau, Alexandre, Us

Re: t-and-f: RE: Does college hurt our marathoners?

I'm not convinced that our men's marathoners are that much worse off than our men's 5K/10K runners. If our best 10K guy is around 28:00, then logically our best marathoner will be around 2:12. This is about what it's been until this year. Obviously a 28:00 10K guy who is a good marathoner can

Re: t-and-f: Marion Jones gold poll

--- Christoph Thurner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello t-and-f fans, I'd like to suggest that someone may put the following poll on his/her (track-related) homepage: How many gold medals will Marion Jones get in Sydney? Excellent suggestion! I have just updated this month's Run-Down

Re: Does college hurt our marathoners? (Was: Re: t-and-f: IAAFlist of top marathoners)

I think that NAIA still has a marathon championshsip and JUCO did 10 years or so ago, I don't know if they still do. On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, William Bahnfleth wrote: I have a vague recollection that there was a marathon championship back in the late 70s or early 80s in one of the smaller college

t-and-f: RE: Does college hurt our marathoners?

Paul, you make some good points. Can you be more specific about the following statement - Venues for college distance running have disappeared as well (eg., the Drake Relays Marathon--not a college event, but one in which some of the collegiate guys would run). Was there a time when college

Re: t-and-f: IAAF list

Everett Murdock wrote, The IAAF recently posted the top 100 performances in the marathon for this year. It can be found at: http://www.iaaf.org/Results/index.asp?Filename=/Results/lists/2000/outdoor/ G/index.html In looking over the list, I can find only one American, Rod Dehaven (near the

t-and-f: Brussels 10k

I have noticed various postings to the list concerning the Brussels 10,000m - and the 'errors' committed by Larry Rawson etc. concerning Felix Limo at the finish. I was in Brussels, and with Steve Ovett commentated on the race in its entirety for ISL's clients, who may not have received this

Re: t-and-f: Brussels 10k

But I retain some scepticism and would love to see a lap chart or details of Limo's splits throught the race. Peter Matthews, Editor International Athletics Annual, Co-publisher Athletics International In such an important race is there no video camera fixed on the finish so each athlete

t-and-f: Chinese wield axe in drugs clampdown

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/olympics2000/newsid_912000/912156.stm Forty athletes and officials have been axed from the Chinese Olympic team, in an apparent warning to drug cheats. The International Olympic Committee welcomed the move, which was implemented by China's Olympic

t-and-f: college and marathoning

I don't know how this will effect the discussion but I'll throw out the fact: I think the US junior marathon record was broken by a guy still in college. I think it was Paul Gompers in 1985 with a 2:15 marathon and he had another year at Harvard. from what I heard Gompers ran a lot of mileage

RE: t-and-f: Age group Road Records

http://www.usaldr.org/private-cgi/rec-form.cgi/?category=runningusa_index There's one link. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian McGuire Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:01 PM To: T n F List Subject: t-and-f: Age group

Re: t-and-f: OC Bans Athletes From Net Storytelling

Of course in those days, there was the amateur issue. Was Cliff Blair being paid for his articles? Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Bruce Lehane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew Owusu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Allen M James [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday,

Re: t-and-f: RE: Does college hurt our marathoners?

The Penn Relays had a marathon in the 1970's which was held on Monday or Tuesday of Penn Relays week. (This may have been in response to Drake having one.) It did not get huge numbers given that it was on a weekday and was before the 1970's roadrace boom had fully hit. It eventually was replaced