RE: t-and-f: FW: Shot put champions banned for life

2001-03-20 Thread Ben Hall
Mike, By now someone has probably pointed this out to you but... Virgilijus Alekna, TFN AOY, is a discus thrower and NOT a shot putter and he has not incurred a drug ban. So no Bagach is not the AOY. In fact, he wasn't in the top 15 vote getters. --Ben -Original Message- From:

Re: t-and-f: has the NCAA rule hurt?

2001-03-20 Thread Conway Hill
GH wrote: Conway wrote: And collegiate sprint times have failry mired as well save for the occasional super star that emerges . I don't think so. Here's the all-time list of men's 100s as made in the NCAA Championships. 9.92 Ato Boldon' (UCLA) ’96 9.97 Olapade Adeniken' (UTEP) ’92

Re: t-and-f: New rules

2001-03-20 Thread Conway Hill
Kurt wrote: Why not? Why not change the rules to benefit the fans? People seem to forget that in pro track it is the ticket-buying, Nike-wearing, Gatorade-drinking, Powerbar-eating, TV-watching FANS that, either directly or indirectly, fund the entire enterprise. If all the track fans in

Re: t-and-f: New rules

2001-03-20 Thread Kurt Bray
Conway writes: And as of yet no one has shown where changing the false start rule will benefit the athlete .. And the only benefit being tossed about for the fan is a cut down in time ... And when that is mentioned it is said as if there is soo much time being lost at track meets due to

t-and-f: my PV trivia just got better

2001-03-20 Thread GHTFNedit
Glen McMiken is the only one to get the right answer so far regards the only black vaulter to rank No. 1 in the U.S.; lots of wrong answers on Robert Pullard (high of No. 4) and also a vote for Peter Chen (a No. 9). the trivia is better because he's part of what i THINK is a unique combo, as

Re: t-and-f: New rules

2001-03-20 Thread Conway Hill
GH wrote: Harden and Montgomery, the two NCAA-trained sprinters, sat patiently in their blocks, were not charged with any false starts, and while everyone else was playing these games, they just did what they were supposed to do. They might have won the gold and silver anyway, but I had

t-and-f: yow! is it just me?

2001-03-20 Thread GHTFNedit
I just got a half-dozen posts that originally came down the line a day or two ago. Anybody else experienceing this phenomenon? gh

Re: t-and-f: yow! is it just me?

2001-03-20 Thread SMLurie
Yes, I, too, am receiving old posts. Steve

Re: t-and-f: yow! is it just me?

2001-03-20 Thread GMcwill67
In a message dated 01-03-20 12:13:28 EST, Garry writes: I just got a half-dozen posts that originally came down the line a day or two ago. Anybody else experienceing this phenomenon? I'm afraid it's all of us. And I was just starting to congratulate myself for getting through the water

Re: t-and-f: Kevin Little

2001-03-20 Thread whitmank
Is Kevin the most accomplished indoor runner ever who never reached an equivalent level of success outdoors? What about multiple US indoor 400 meter champion Diane Dixon? or 800 meter runner Ray Brown or Marcus O'Sullivan and Eamonn Coghlan (even though he did win the WC 5k) Keith Whitman

Re: t-and-f: New rules

2001-03-20 Thread Dgs1170
In a message dated 03/20/2001 7:35:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Harden and Montgomery, the two NCAA-trained sprinters, sat patiently in their blocks, were not charged with any false starts, and while everyone else was playing these games, they just did what they

Re: t-and-f: New rules

2001-03-20 Thread Kurt Bray
Conway writes: And as of yet no one has shown where changing the false start rule will benefit the athlete .. And the only benefit being tossed about for the fan is a cut down in time ... And when that is mentioned it is said as if there is soo much time being lost at track meets due to

Re: t-and-f: New rules

2001-03-20 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:10:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most of teh people in major finals are NCAA trained, no matter what country they are from. certainly wasn't the situation in Lisbon,w hich was the case in point with Harden and Montgomery.

Re: t-and-f: Unsportmanlike conduct LOL

2001-03-20 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (whoever that is) wrote: I read, but very rarely do I feel the need to post. All you armchair athletes have the audacity to sit here and say that false starting is unsportmanlike conduct?!? LOL Give me a break. I've also read that it is unfair to anticipate the

t-and-f: ***OK, IT'S NOT JUST ME!!!***

2001-03-20 Thread GHTFNedit
no need to tell me if you're getting dupe messages; appears everyone is.

Re: t-and-f: Unsportmanlike conduct LOL

2001-03-20 Thread CPoTaf
Wayne wrote: What is your suggestion, Prince, on how to eliminate false starts?   You can't!  Should every distance runner be expelled from the race if they touch or push a runner?  Come on, get serious, it's part of the game.  The 2 false start rule aids that purpose.  Very rarely do you

t-and-f: False Starts

2001-03-20 Thread Highfill, Floyd
In a slightly different vein of this thread, under which false start rule (NCAA/HS or USATF/IAAF) are most of the major US invitationals with "mixed fields" conducted? And, if under USATF/IAAF 1 false start rule, how does that affect any potential NCAA (or even HS) records which might be

RE: t-and-f: Unsportmanlike conduct LOL

2001-03-20 Thread Justin Clouder
Hi All On this point: My understanding is that this has been extensively researched, with a generous allowance made below the fastest reaction tested. You're correct, but this test was done on military men, not athletes! As I understand it there has never been a test done

t-and-f: 99 Pan American Games

2001-03-20 Thread Macdezal
Does anyone have a tape of the track and field portion of the 1999 Pan Am Games held in Canada? If you have one, or know where I can get one, please email me. Thank you, DMC "Don't approach a goat from the front, a horse from the back, or a fool from any side."

Re: t-and-f: reaction times

2001-03-20 Thread Conway Hill
GH wrote: i can't cite chapter and verse, but the IAAF had extensive studies at its disposal when it came up with the guidelines on reaction times. There are plenty of bad things that can be said about the IAAF, but I don't think instituting a rule like this without some solid science behind

RE: t-and-f: Unsportmanlike conduct LOL

2001-03-20 Thread Kurt Bray
Justin says: As I understand it there has never been a test done among any group which showed a reaction time to aural stimulus of less than a fifth of a second. Top class athletes are thus allowed to react twice as fast as anyone else has ever been shown to do. That, to me, is more than

t-and-f: reaction times

2001-03-20 Thread GHTFNedit
i can't cite chapter and verse, but the IAAF had extensive studies at its disposal when it came up with the guidelines on reaction times. There are plenty of bad things that can be said about the IAAF, but I don't think instituting a rule like this without some solid science behind it is a

t-and-f: HS steeplechase

2001-03-20 Thread Runmtnrun
Greetings from Southern Oregon. Can someone tell me what the height is for high school steeplechase barriers. I have an opportunity to enter a couple of athletes in a steeplechase event but can't recall what the height is supposed to be. Thanks Carl Sniffen Grants Pass (Or.) xc and track

Re: t-and-f: Unsportmanlike conduct LOL

2001-03-20 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wayne wrote: What is your suggestion, Prince, on how to eliminate false starts? You can't! Should every distance runner be expelled from the race if they touch or push a runner? Come on, get serious, it's part of the game. The 2 false start rule aids that

t-and-f: trivia answer

2001-03-20 Thread GHTFNedit
Sam Caruthers, in 1970. Brother Ed (the '68 silver medalist behind Fosbury) was top American in the high jump in '67. Unless somebody else comes up with another brother combo. Sideshow Bob points out that the Donakowskis had a No. 1 and a No. 2 in '86. gh

RE: t-and-f: Unsportmanlike conduct LOL

2001-03-20 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
After reading this I get the feeling that [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] might really be the same clown ... err, I mean person. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:58 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:

Re: t-and-f: HS steeplechase

2001-03-20 Thread alan tobin
Don't know the official height, but back in high school we had a meet every year that had a "steeplechase". It was a 1500m steeplechase, hurdles were set at the lowest level I think, and the water barrier was nothing more than a balance beam, baby pool, tarp, and old tires set up a little ways

t-and-f: Who's the draw? Well, in Brussels its the TEN-KAY baby!

2001-03-20 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
In a message dated Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:34:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Conway Hill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And if you're talking about the fans when was the last time a meet was hyped to get the fans to attend using a cadre of distance runners ??? Three words: BRUSSELSOSLO

t-and-f: why track is un popular was New rules

2001-03-20 Thread mmrohl
Netters Jon wrote: "No! YOU HAVE NO CLUE!! THERE WILL NEVER BE A DAY WHEN FANS DON'T SHOW UP TO A TRACK MEET!!! PERIOD!! " I am sorry Jon you are not correct here. Fans not showing up is already happening(Milrose this year). BUT it is not because of false starts nor do I think

Re: t-and-f: Unsportmanlike conduct LOL

2001-03-20 Thread Randy Treadway
Perhaps they have microneural transplant splices surgically implanted at the neural junctions. Nanotechnology - the future of track? Don It might be easier to just exercise mind control over the starter, so that he fires the gun exactly WHEN YOU WANT HIM TO. ---Madame Clio, now available as

Re: t-and-f: Unsportmanlike conduct LOL

2001-03-20 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:31:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think I am accurate in saying that the reaction time is unresearched because the last time it's been researched, as you have stated, was up through 1980's. It's 2001. The world record has

Re: t-and-f: what is in sponsorship was new rule

2001-03-20 Thread mmrohl
Netters Jon wrote: Now I've heard it all! Let's get this straight, John Capriotti is more concerned about other criteria more than a gold medal? LOL You may laugh if you want Jon but that is exactly what he said in meeting between USATF sponsors and athletes at the convention.

t-and-f: the prince

2001-03-20 Thread mike fanelli
Yo tf lister types ...who is this "prince" guy... is he like a Mike Fox, the former mythical distance running figmentation of 67,000 posts ago, or, is this a legitimate athlete spokesperson with a chip on his shoulder (or possibly elsewhere)...re: sponsorship of athletes by a footwear company

Re: t-and-f: New rules

2001-03-20 Thread Dgs1170
In a message dated 03/20/2001 12:15:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And THAT is why other sports, at least at the professional end, are willing to constantly consider ways of reinventing and repackaging themselves. Very well stated. And all that says you do not destroy

Re: t-and-f: While we're at it

2001-03-20 Thread Dgs1170
In a message dated 03/20/2001 1:54:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Major difference is that none of those 4 items you listed add any time to the length of a meet. Each person has a set number of attempts. The variable is whether or not it counts, which doesn't correlate

Re: t-and-f: While we're at it

2001-03-20 Thread Dan Kaplan
I'm not sure I follow... What does fouled attempts in throwing events have to do with the length of meets relative to telecasts? And how do pole vaulters tie into the discussion? A shot putter fouling/passing on all but one throw would take *less* time than one who gets a mark on every