Re: t-and-f: RE: T and f Baton Rouge, LA 1987

Dave, No one by that name is listed in Jack Shepard's HS Annual for either 1986 or 1987 in 100 meters. No one from that school is listed either. Andy Ferrara Eisenhower HS Houston, TX Track Team Power Ratings www.hstrack.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Jones believes she can break record

Run the 4x4! That's a hell of an interval session! David Dallman On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Kebba Tolbert wrote: An interesting story from cnnsi.com... it says Jones will run the 4x4 at Penn this weekend and **will* be doing the 100m at WC's this yr. (Earlier it had been reported that she'd

RE: t-and-f: Mt. Sac Scott Davis

Scott: From this long distance (two continents and one big ocean away) , I salute what you are doing for track and field! Uri Goldbourt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 7:26 PM To: [EMAIL

t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

Tom: I don't have the stats, but I wonder what happens when you slice the data a little differently. Set the cut off at 2:12 or near there. I would suspect that you would find that the total number of marathoners who better that mark has increased slightly and most are from the few regions of

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

Jon and the list, I did not conclude that the difference at the top is cultural. I conclude that that difference in the 2:15-2:25 is cultural and I wonder why. I am not arguing with Taboo. I read it. Carefully. It makes sense. But I am trying to change the subject of discussion to the next tier

t-and-f: national class American marathoners

At the 1983 Boston Marathon, 71 American men broke 2:20. On a single day. Last year, a total of 24 American men broke 2:20. For 366 days.(And the guy at the top was born and spent his early training years in Morocco.) Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com

RE: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

Some statistics from Falmouth Road Race. Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th, you just have to replace americans from 1970ies/80ies with kenyans and moroccans in 1990ies and you will have pretty much the same picture. I am sure Tom can provide similar lists for

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

I will throw out a few comments about why there are fewer 2:15-2:25 guys than in the recent past: 1.Post collegians have better jobs now than were available. 2. They have to make more money to pay off college loans. 3. It costs more to live. 4. They have tiring commutes to work. 5. There

RE: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th, This just can't be possible. Entine said that Salazar, Durden, Rodgers, Lindsay, etc. weren't even remotely as talented as those who dominate the modern-day road racing scene. Oleg, you must have made up these times!

t-and-f: GMC Envoy USA Outdoor Championships

The Time Schedule for the 2001 GMC Envoy USA Outdoor Track Field Championships in Eugene, Oregon, June 21-24, is now posted on the usatf.org and eugenechamps.com websites. Current housing information may also be found on the eugenechamps site. Tickets are available through Ticketmaster.com

Re: t-and-f: ...Kenyan Marathon Dominance, etc.

Jon Entine said: Salazar and Kennedy frankly DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. They are just engaging in a little self-loathing for not being able to keep up with those who, frankly, are built to run as good as or better than all but a few people in the world. Bob Kennedy is in a very

t-and-f: 100 days left to the Edmonton WC

Courtesy IAAF International Amateur Athletic Federation IN 100 DAYS IN EDMONTON A MARATHON RUNNER WILL BE THE FIRST WORLD CHAMPION OF THE NEW MILLENNIUM 25 April 2001 - MONTE CARLO - Monaco - Today, in Edmonton, the Organising Committee of the 8th IAAF World Championships in Athletics will

Re: t-and-f: national class American marathoners

Weren't there well over 100 qualifiers (maybe close to 200?) for the 1984 Olympic trials? I've always held that the main difference is milage. Not too many people are hitting 100+ mile weeks in college and high school any more so the post-collegians have a much rougher transition to the

RE: t-and-f: national class American marathoners

There were 201 qualifiers for the '84 men's trials and 225 for 1980, while for 2000 the number was 114. But you just can't compare simple numbers as the time cut-offs have changed for each Trials, as well as the length of time the qualifying window was open. And I know for women, but I'd have to

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

Oh, but... the eminent Mr. Durden once told me that his fastest mile in high school was somewhere around 4:40. Guess he didn't have the talent to do this anyway... --- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th, This

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

Joseph Kimani has CR now (31:36 in 1996). The most amazing part is that there was virtually no prize money back in the 70ies, yet they still ran those times back then. The same goes for Boston and NYC. The year Bill Rogers won Falmouth (battling it out with Marty Liquory I think), he got a

RE: t-and-f: national class American marathoners

And I know for women, but I'd have to check further for men, in several Olympic marathon trials one could qualify by bettering a time standard at a non-marathon distance or winning a non-marathon road national championship Not the case for men in '80 or '84. They started this practice

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

The results are interesting... 9 athletes broke 32:50 in the '97 race, all from North or East Africa. 5 broke 32:50 in the 82 race, 4 non-Africans. I believe that shows a statistically signficant advantage by East and North Africans. The disparity is probably far more evident in other years,

Re: t-and-f: ...Kenyan Marathon Dominance, etc.

Except he's wrong. On 4/25/01 8:02 AM, Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Entine said: Salazar and Kennedy frankly DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. They are just engaging in a little self-loathing for not being able to keep up with those who, frankly, are built to run as good

t-and-f: Re: t-and-f-digest V1 #3585

Andy: Why do sports scientists exist? Why do we study peak performance? Why do we care about maximum oxygen uptake? Why is nutrition imortant to understand? I just don't get it? Does studying those things mean we should admire their accomplishments less? I¹ve been asked many times how an

t-and-f: Cheerleading Headaches

Netters: There are some NJ (and other state) schools which could it as a sport under the title Spirit. Some of these schools will not allow a girl (or boy) to be part of a cheerleading squad and, at the same time, participate in a real sport. The word cheerleader has long since lost

Re: t-and-f: national class American marathoners

This may not be the whole story but for the 1972 trials the qualifying time was 2:30. No one got air fare to Eugene. My time for Boston 1970 counted. By 1976 the qualifying time was sub 2:20 to get air fare to Eugene. For that year I qualified in Boston in 1975. I think it took 2:22 or 2:23 to

RE: t-and-f: national class American marathoners

Marty related: There were 201 qualifiers for the '84 men's trials and 225 for 1980, while for 2000 the number was 114. But you just can't compare simple numbers as the time cut-offs have changed for each Trials, as well as the length of time the qualifying window was open. I don't know

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th, This just can't be possible. Entine said that Salazar, Durden, Rodgers, Lindsay, etc. weren't even remotely as talented as those who dominate the modern-day road racing scene. Oleg, you must have made up these

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

Tom wrote: Jon and the list, I will throw out a few comments about why there are fewer 2:15-2:25 guys than in the recent past: 1.Post collegians have better jobs now than were available. I don't know about that, but I'll agree that the consequences of being without Medical/Dental coverage is

t-and-f: significant Foulmouth

Hrmph, Jon, you know statistics better than that - don't cripple your own arguments. ANOVA shows no significant difference between the top 10 performances '82 to '07, nor the top 5. If you don't like that, say the distribution may not be normal, a Kolmogrov-Smirnov two-sample test also fails to

t-and-f: John Flora

Does anyone know what happend to former Northeastern great John Flora (mid-80's)? bruce goodchild. Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th, MEN Falmouth 1979 1. Craig Virgin West Lebanon, IL 32:19 2. Herb Lindsay Michigan 32:27 3. Bill Rodgers GBTC 32:29

Re: t-and-f: Ritzenhein going for 5000 record on Friday

I note that Ritzenhein if entered under North Kent RC, not his h.s. Will that affect his high school eligibility for the rest of the year, given the persnickety federation rules? Richard McCann Richard McCann M.Cubed, Davis, California (530) 757-6363

t-and-f: Drake webcast

A crew from TrackMeets.com is in Des Moines to webcast the Drake Relays starting tomorrow morning. A stubborn technical problem may prevent us from webcasting live, in which case we will webcast the meet on a 2-hour tape delay using sneaker shuttle technology. Kamal. DR KAMAL JABBOUR -

Re: t-and-f: ...Kenyan Marathon Dominance, etc.

Talking about Bob Kennedy, Jon Entine wrote: Except he's wrong. Kennedy was THERE. His knowledge of Kenyan training is based on his own first-hand experiences. Are you asserting that he is wrong about levels of training that he witnessed himself? Wrong about training he participated in

Re: t-and-f: ...Kenyan Marathon Dominance, etc.

I'm simply saying that if he believes that the total explanation for Kenyan success is that they train harder, he is wrong. I doubt he believes that, but it is certainly one factor I've been there as well. I have first hand experience in a number of visits as well. I've also interviewed

Re: t-and-f: ...Kenyan Marathon Dominance, etc.

I'm simply saying that if he believes that the total explanation for Kenyan success is that they train harder, he is wrong. I've been there as well. I have first hand experience in a number of visits as well. I've also interviewed dozens of Kenyan athletes, track officials, coaches and sports

t-and-f: track 10k

Netters If anyone has info on women's track 10k in late May, (someplace nice) please let me know ASAP. Thanks Mike

t-and-f: oregon twilight (sat. 5/12) - men's steeplers wanted

steeple alert: besides featuring one of the usa's fastest miles (the bill mcchesney jr. memorial twilight mile) and women's 5k's, some area runners are trying to put together a fast men's steeplechase at the OREGON TWILIGHT (sat., 5/12) at the university of oregon's hayward field eugene

t-and-f: TOMMIE SMITH SELLING MEDAL

I read a brief blurb last week where Tommie Smith was selling his medal ('68 Oly 200) at auction for $500,000...anybody know anything more about this...i.e where it's being auctioned?? E-bay? Sotheby's?? Article went on to say that he's had it in a drawer for thirty yeras and has only looked at

t-and-f: Tommie Smith's Gold Medal

Yes indeed, it's here: http://www.tommiesmith.com/home.html then click on View Auction Items I don't think he'll get the half a million for the gold medal, unless of course, he throws in the infamous black glove with the medal ! :-) ...don't see the glove being offered at all, but a lot of

Re: t-and-f: Ritzenhein going for 5000 record on Friday

The Michigan High School Athletic Association allows a competitor two outside competitions away from the school they may not use their school as an affiliation, or it will count as a school competition. Michigan also only allows a school team to compete a maximum of 300 miles from their school