Kim,
That's a lot of questions. So let's pose two more, as I feel a discussion
of the situation would be incomplete with them.
1. Why was the race run under a three turn stagger? By this I mean, what
was the intent of using a three turn stagger?
2. Does any know of the use of a three turn
Kim,
Here is my personal (i.e. NOT as a TFN editor) response. Let me also say
that Witherspoon's time is a great effort but simply doesn't stand up to the
test as a record.
Let's start with a quote from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution article on
Witherspoon, Meet officials were operating under
That's part of racing 400m indoors. Were some of these athlete particularly
dangerous? Or an official just decided to arbitrarilly change the nature of
the event?
1. Why was the race run under a three turn stagger?
By this I mean, what
was the intent of using a three turn stagger?
My
So heats were run w/ a two turn stagger and only the final was run with a
three?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Starr
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 6:49 AM
To: Ben Hall; Kimberley Spir; Robert Hersh
Cc: Kebba Tolbert; [EMAIL
Just a little reminder, Let's start with a quote from the Atlanta
Journal-Constitution article on
Witherspoon, Meet officials were operating under U.S. Track and Field
rules. USATF does have a how many turns are run in lanes rule, which I
cited earlier.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL
Just posted on the TFN website is a journal of David Krummenacker's
Birmingham trip. Go to http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/ and click David
Krummenacker's Birmingham Journal. If you like what you see email David
(click the feedback link at the bottom of the page) and let him know.
No. The audio of the WR made it...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Derderian
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:06 PM
To: tf list
Subject: t-and-f: Fw: Dragila WR and ESPN missed it, but WebCAST?
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From: Tom
I'd venture to guess that NY State gets considerable tourism revenue from
the families, friends, and athletes while they're in town AND might even
have enough foresight to think that by getting those kids to NYC at an
impressionable age there will be many more dollars to follow from these
same
Fair criticism. The banner ad doesn't have to be there. Though when you're
working with something closely and regularly you're often oblivious to such
page elements. Godina more or less does have to be there. The whole site
has a similar page construction. Unlike when I worked at CNN.com and
I misread Randy's post. So the bit about the page construction with Godina
as a design element is irrelevant. Sorry for the extra mail.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:01 PM
To:
The picture Walt Murphy described earlier of Brumel kicking a basketball
goal and his obituary can be found at http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/.
Click the Valeriy Brumel Obituary link.
So who is going to play Ted Turner and pay the US's bill for WADA?
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, ghill wrote:
hey, U.S. doesn't pay the UN, why should it pay some other mickey mouse
body? :-)
From: Ed and Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Ed and Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 09
In case you've missed it in the last two TFN issues- the email version of
Track Newsletter (TFN's results periodical) is now free to TFN magazine
subscribers. It will be published 42 times in 2003 and gets emailed every
week during the heart of the season with the previous weekends results. You
Guevara had 0 losses. Feofanova had 2. Going undefeated counts for
something.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Steve Bennett wrote:
Guevara,
who may have beaten everybody but running not terribly impressive 400s
49.16 Ana Guevara MEX04 03 19771Zürich16 08 2002
49.25 Ana Guevara 1Monaco19 07
.
Anyway, it's a toss up between them and you'd call heads and I'd call
tails.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
definitely counts, but the quality of results should also play a role. Guevara
did not exactly reign supreme as did Feofanova.
UG
==
Quoting Ben Hall [EMAIL
She went 9 and 0 versus Dragila. Dragila might as well have taken the
year off like Merry and Freeman. She may have been in the meets but she
was hardly near her best.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Svetlana had the opportunity on a regular basis to go head to head with the
My wife suggested Deja Vu. I might just cut that down to deja as is in
I think we've had *already* had enough.
The thought of the mascot is like one of those crappy songs you can't get
out of your head for days on end like It's a Small World After All, which
was stuck in my head of more than a
Also note that there are other factors that might influence voting on
something like POY. Such as the weahter (recall that there was a down pour
in Munich during Radcliffe's run. This is cancelled out by the wind in
Chicago? Hard to say.) AND she ran 30:01 solo- sans rabbit. While I'm not
BBC Five Live is supposed to have it on radio. It's available via the web.
TFN will have link to hte coverage with the rest of the stats for the race.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-t-and-f;lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Bob Duncan
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002
Nothing against Browne, as I am very glad to see a good marathon performance
out of him BUT... can USATF retroactively award David Krummenacker with an
Athlete of the Week honor? Seems something of an anomaly that David, who
has certainly out performed many on the Athlete of the Week roster,
From the Reuters article, In championship events, such as the World Cup,
each athlete in the field competes to win.
Just not in the GP Final? While I completely disapprove of Lassiter's
actions I do think a significant portion of the blame lies squarely on the
IAAF for the antics they allowed
A week or two ago Ed Grant asked about cross country results sites. I've
given Sideshow and Co. a pop or two before on their good work gathering
results links for TFN site visitors. Sideshow has compiled more than 20 XC
events this week at
I'm not sure Kajsa Bergqvist should be discounted either. 2.05 (6'8.5
converted w/ calculator not BGB) is pretty damn good and she's had a heck
of a season.
On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Post, Marty wrote:
Earlier this year it was pointed out that Devers' fast times should be given
more credence as
FYI- the Welklasse site has live results for all events, including
attempt-by-attempt field results:
http://waprod2.bluewin.ch/hc_cust1/results/timetable.html
It goes nicely with the BBC coverage.
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, here's the compendium:
New records are
From the trackandfieldnews.com Latest Results
(http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/tfn/results/hotLinks.jsp) page:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/ - Live BBC Radio Coverage beginning at 2 PM
EDT. Click Listen Live
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could someone re-post the url to
All you physiologists out there- what are the energy system
usage differences between 3k and 42k (especially at the paces Radcliffe
is running and are there gender differences)? My recollection is that
they're extremely close. The difference in distances (42k is 14 times longer than 3k)
22.19 just a typo on USATF's part. The results have this correctly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wayne T. Armbrust
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 8:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Converters do it again
By my calculator (I
Ritz isn't the first- Angelo Taylor is a December 29 baby and his 47.90 at
19 would have bettered the 48.02 mark of Danny Harris.
When if's and but's are candy and nuts we'll all have a Merry Christmas.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
sure is. 31:19.89 from Jennings run in Barcelona was the old record
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Fred Finke
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Drossin New American Record?
Isn't that a new
Good throwing in the early season by Nelson and Toth
1 Adam Nelson Nike22.15m 72-08.00
2 Kevin Toth Unattached 21.52m 70-07.25
If a strong track field season passed and all we talked about were drugs,
regionals, USATF admin items, etc do the marks count?
And in case you wondered: Yes, everyone is welcome to steal ANYTHING on my
Web site -- news, photos, rankings, meet info, editorials, my beloved FAQ,
anything! The Net is about sharing. The more thieves the merrier.
Obviously, Ken does not know a thing about what the Net is about. He
may have
Every week Sideshow and Co. put together Links to the Latest Results on
the TFN site for your pleasure.
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/results/hotlinks.html
They've compiled links to 32 of the biggest meets in the U.S. and far beyond
for this week.
--Ben
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From:
To quote my college coach (who likely borrowed it from somebody else), When
ifs and buts are candy and nuts we'll all have a Merry Christmas.
There are a handful (less than 10) of sprinters who have successfully
crossed over between the sports. Until a 10.30 (legal, not with his grandma
timing
and fans who know absolutely
nothing about world class speed degrade their achievements.
--Ben
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From: Gerald Woodward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 4:02 PM
To: Ben Hall; Ed and Dana Parrot; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: what's
Thought many list members would be particularly interested in the current
installment of Track's Greatest Champions from TFN. It is Sebastian Coe.
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/general/greatestchamps/index.html
Coe is the 19th installment in the series. All previous are still
available.
Well... If you're thinking only mile King may be right. But if you're
including 1500. I'd make the argument that Eric O'Brien's 3:39.98 (~3:58.0
mile) makes him the best miler. in Georgia history. From what I can dig
up King never broke 4 for the mile. Anyone have stats on his 1500 best?
he's been hurt. pulled off the course fairly early. believe it was
achilles problems.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John N. Friedman
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: kimani
What
Actually, only in the past few years has the list been deadened in the fall.
Back in the day... ('93, '94, '95) when Pietri, Joe Lemay, Tyson Sacco, Joe
McVeigh were frequent contributors the list was a bustle in the fall.
Sometimes it got silly and excessive but it was fun and interesting. But
A non-list friend asked me to send this to the list. Please direct
inquiries to the address below.
Thanks,
Ben
Emory University invites applications for the position of Track and Field
Intern. The position is a two year non-renewable appointment starting as
On the other hand... if you don't want to follow the etiquette of the list
then sign off the list.
It takes less than two seconds to type RESULTS in your subject line.
People want to know results are included so they can avoid them if they want
to watch them on TV as though the meet we live.
It has been an unwritten rule for at least the last 5 years. I never said
it was in the charter. It is a matter of courtesy and etiquette that MANY
list members have requested over the years. It is so simple to comply with
their request that bristling at it is moronic and contrary for the sake
You're right. You're more important than everyone else. I forget that part
in the list charter.
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From: malmo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kurt Bray'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Sez who?
It is
TF News is providing live coverage of the World Championships. The
coverage centers around previews (including seasonal records) and results
analysis. Check out:
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/special/2001/WC/index.html
Using the standard datatypes that come with Access I doubt you'll be able to
do what you want to do. Probably the best thing to do is create a char(8)
field and apply a validation rule to it that validates the input as dd:dd.dd
(d's are digits). The rule might start as Like ??:??.?? and you
Thought this would interest some of you. John is a long-time lurker on the
list and all-around good guy, even if he did go to UGA (just showing my old
college colors there).
--Ben
WOMEN'S TRACK FIELD
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, July 26, 2001
Contact: Kyle Stephens (512) 471-8232
Uri,
David
may have attacked blindly but it seems that you're in the opposite habit of
defending blindly. What do you know about Okeyo and the Kenyan
federation? What do you know about the corruption that is ripe in that
federation? Where does the buck stop? With Okeyo. Talk to any
agent
I don't think so. He ran 3:50 for 1500 as I read the result.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jack Moran
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:11 AM
To: mike fanelli; Track Field List (E-mail)
Subject: Re: t-and-f: U.S. STEEPLECHASE RECORD SET!
I'd say that the other big highlight is the continued excellent throwing of
Breaux Greer. Greer tossed 85.74/281-3.5 (I don't have my Big Green Book in
front of me so don't be surprised if my Imperial conversion is off by a 1/4
inch or something). He beat both Steve Backley and Mick Hill in the
A big one. As far as I can tell his PR before this was 8:21.50
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrew Fitzhugh
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:31 PM
To: TF Listserve
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Golden Gala Results
Golden Gala
Roma,
Darrell,
"We are skating the issue here. Yes, there is the AAC, but
they are the same people that feel slighted. This is exactly what I am
speaking about. The athletes do not feel as though they have an
adequate voice in the function of the federation and its decision making,
and policy
From my calculations the 1977 South Eugene team ran ~23.4 meters further
than the South Lakes team of 2001. So... barring any really strange
conversion factors the South Lakes time is considerably better. I don't
have my Big Green Book in front of me. But 23.4 meters and 11 seconds don't
add
Conway,
Not sure what you mean by If so when was the last time 2 high schoolers
qualified to run at nationals in the same year ?? But last year there were
at least three female competitors who were high schoolers. One in the 400,
one in the javelin, and one in the pole vault.
--Ben
Hall
Cc: Track List
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals
Linnen and Johnson are both college freshmen and competed in the NCAA,
Johnson for UCLA and Linnen for Arizona.
- Original Message -
From: Ben Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL
For those who missed it last year or want to read the classic again... The
Jim Ryun Story is currently being published in serialized form on the Track
Field News website (http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/). New installments
are being published every couple days.
--Ben
I'm sure the Stanford crowd liked the fast middle distance times but Godina
and Dragila stole the show.
Godina's series (thanks to flashresults.com):
John Godina21.87 21.44 21.79 21.95 21.06 21.50 21.95
(72-0.25)
1. No fouls. All the other competitors had at least 1.
2. His
Are you absolutely nuts? First, I've seen a 45.6 guy run 4:35 in the mile
(I'm quite sure he could have run faster on less strength/sprint training
and more endurance training). And, come to think of it I've seen a 44.7 guy
and a 44.2 guy both break 5 minutes. AND... all of those were at the
To quote Sherman T. Potter of M.A.S.H., Horse Pucky! All-American and
decent are galaxies aprart from world class, as Nad contends and with
which you seem to agree. WORLD CLASS? That means THE BEST in the world not
the top 8 or so in the NCAAs.
Let me point out that the top 30 individuals
Back to reality and the inhuman efforts of Stacy Dragila!
1. Stacy Dragila, USA 4.81m (15-09.25); 2. Kellie Suttle, USA 4.41m
(14-05.50); 3. Mary Sauer, USA 4.31m (14-01.75); 4. Melissa Mueller, USA
4.31m
(14-01.75);
Only if he didn't DNF ;-)
My point was not about 400 runners but about the guy Nad used as a measuring
stick. I'm sure lots of 400 guys could would do decently at 1500. And I'm
sure lots of 400 guys have run faster than 4:35. Do note that later in the
email Malmo was quoting I said that all
This might be a bit off topic but certainly has implications in our sport.
Another scandel is brewing at one of the grand tours of cycling:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/2001/giro01/results/stage18livecomp.shtml
A great quote from Rudy Pevenage, the Telekom team director, We all had to
go
Ed,
I
could not disagree more. Here you make blanket statements with backing
that amounts to somethingone might hear on talk radio. Did you
actually read the decision or any of the briefs?
The problem with court
decisions is that oince they are made, activists will "run with them" and,
Dude, Chill!
PLEASE, go to http://www.flashresults.com or http://www.cyberscoreboard.com
(both have been mentioned on this list in the last couple days). At each of
them I was easily able to find the proper results. If you can't find them
there then it is an OE (operator error). There is only
AMAZING... SIMPLY AMAZING (and congrats to Kevin Sullivan who continues his
strong racing).
1 14 EL GUERROUJ Hicham MOROCCO 3:49.92
2 3 SULLIVAN Kevin CANADA 3:51.82
3 13 LAGAT Bernard KENYA 3:53.14
4 10 KAOUCH Adil MOROCCO 3:53.40
5 9 WEBB Alan U.S.A. 3:53.43
6
New posting now available at the TFN website (www.trackandfieldnews.com):
for each men's event a by-nation listing of everybody who has ever made the
U.S. Rankings. Includes complete scoring by nation and a listing of not only
the top-scoring nation each year (since '47) but also a breakdown of
DI
NCAAs are next week.
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Mike BoneySent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:28
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: t-and-f: NCAA
Deca
Does anyone have or know where I can get up to the minute results
for this breech of
privacy.
Ben Hall
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Entine
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: FW: A final reply-but private
I thought the list might like to see some of the silly responses I
of George Mason University, who is African American, ³we concede
the turf to black and white racists.
Sports offer a non-polemical way to convey this message and de-politicize
what has sometimes been a vitriolic debate.
On 5/7/01 2:27 PM, Ben Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon,
To be honest
By now
I'm sure that someone else have sent this to you. But... This is a
hoax. It took me about 30 seconds to find out that this was a hoax.
For those who don't know you can verify these simply by going to
McAfee.com. If it is the "worst ever" it'll be on their front
page.
See
the
It came to my attention recently that the Women's Steeple standard for the
USATF Outdoor Championships is 11:00.00. Currently, there are 49 women on
the TFNews US List
(http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/lists/lists2001/usoutw.html) from
4/26/2001 who have run 10:53 or better. Even better... we
Mike,
By now someone has probably pointed this out to you but...
Virgilijus Alekna, TFN AOY, is a discus thrower and NOT a shot putter and
he has not incurred a drug ban.
So no Bagach is not the AOY. In fact, he wasn't in the top 15 vote getters.
--Ben
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From:
wish the discussion about IAAF or other organizations in our network had
focused on the issues, not on persons and on makeshift opinions about them
based on hearsay.
Yours,
UG
-Original Message-
From: Ben Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 2:03 PM
To: Prof. Uri
The same was likely said about Senator Joseph McCarthy in the early fifties
and many others who were on their own "witch hunts."
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Prof. Uri Goldbourt
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 1:01 AM
To: [EMAIL
rather than getting
informed. They prefer to throw out accusations and vague criticism,
rather than meeting argument with argument.
Im right now disappointed at the discussion concerning the USA and
doping. Members Walt Murphy and Ben Hall have accused IAAF VP Arne
Ljungqvist of being anti-US
Godina threw 20.82(~68-3.5) on his 6th to grab the gold from Adam Nelson who
had led since his first throw of the competition 20.72(~67-11.75). But
Nelson either took no more throws after round one or fouled on his last 5.
Anybody got the scoop?
--Ben
PS- 4th for Acuff on the count back is
Dan,
Not
all pro sports are subject to testing. A recent CNNSI piece on Matt
Geiger, that made this list, made that very plain. The NBA only tests
non-first year players on reasonable suspicion,once a year (training
camp),and only on a VERY limited set of drugs. Last I knew the NHL
only
So who
are you going to tell to stay in their lane? Crawford and Little leaned at
the line and were off balance when Crawford stumbled and body parts started
flailing. At that point all were in their own lanes. Crawford
andLittleboth took a tumble with Crawford hitting Miller. The
colision
A couple weeks ago I noticed on the USATF.org site that the Women's Pole
Vault final at the USATF Indoor Championships is scheduled for Friday
afternoon (4:15 PM). I was hoping that someone would realize this was not a
good idea since it is likely the premiere event of the meet (if Stacy is
Looking at the results the Haklits mark should be for the weight throw NOT
the shot unless he PRed by more than 4m.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 8:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
Typo in paragraph 3 should read-
Anyone else who watches on TV or at the track is an added bonus.
Sorry,
Ben
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From: Ben Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 9:03 AM
To: Track Listserve
Subject: RE: t-and-f: re: amateurism teams (long
Brian,
Please cite your sources on the below statement. At least part of it is
inaccurate. EPO is a banned substance by UCI. Any admittance of use would
lead to a doping suspension and not just a health suspension. I have never
read this in the press. Did I miss it? If so, where was it
Brian,
Thanks.
I asked for this information to make a point. My point is not about UCI,
drugs, etc. But that people regularly make blanket statements to the list.
Frequently, they are inaccurate.I have been on this list for a long time
and get very tired of the "talk radio" attitude some
How about we keep the election dumb off list? TF has more than its fair
share of dumb to deal with (we seem to prove that over and over right here).
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Conway
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 12:24 PM
To:
It is a hoax virus...
http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=98524;
A suggestion, if you are going to post something about a virus to this list,
send info on to friends, whatever... check it out first. It took me less
than 30 seconds to find out this was a hoax.
-Original
That is an idiotic statement.
I will bet every cent that I have and ever will have that Derrick Adkins,
the 1996 Olympic Gold Medallist in the 400m Hurdles, has never taken
performance enhancing drugs.
Was he elite? YES
Did he take drugs? NO
Therefore- YOU'RE WRONG
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MacCaffrey is a MORON, a HYPOCRITE, and a someone who likes to hear themself
talk.
This is one of the best responses to him I have seen and takes a couple jabs
at pro sports that don't test the way TF does and that MacCaffrey ALWAYS
glosses over. I am glad this went out as a press release also
Since Garry and the rest of the TF News crew are "busy" in Sydney I just
wanted to let everyone know that the Sydney portion of
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com is now in full swing. It includes Top 10
picks, seasonal records for TFNews's Top 10s in each event, previews for
each final, and
"tomfoolery" that isn't a nice thing to say about the IAAF and the rocket
science they are currently practicing-- "oh let's let Soto off he's a nice
guy and he only got caught twice" :-)
benjamin hall
merrill-hall new media, inc
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On All Things Considers (NPR) Frank Shorter had a brief comment that it was
a step but a pretty small one because there is no test for HGH so the IOC
remains in the position of being unable to test for all banned substances.
I'm sure you can find the piece which, also has a quote from Drug Czar
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