Re: t-and-f: more on prep records...

ist at 400 - 44.09 with 43.81pr Has any class in any event ever been as successful ??? NCAA champions, Olympic champions and medallists .. And as of last year Heard and Marsh were still going strong at or under the 20.00 level ... Conway

Re: t-and-f: Records

a figment of my imagination ??? Conway _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: more on prep records...

memory is correct .. Not quite as fast as Bridgewater and Watts, but anyone that was in teh stadium will attest to the electricty and awe at Sanford's move down the stretch ... And that after about a 20 minute rest from an outstanding 400 ... Conway

Re: t-and-f: All-Star High School Team

Conning wrote: In a message dated 4/4/01 9:22:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Conway Hill writes concerning Hawthorne HS of Hawthorne, California: It was really the equivalent of an all star team ... I think it is quite possible that we will see a team like that again. Just look at little

Re: t-and-f: 1988 200 m

Darrell wrote: Who took the bronze in that race? And what was the time? I know Joe and Carl, but who took third? I believe that was Robson DaSilva in 20.04 ... Conway _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http

RE: t-and-f: Marion shooting for WR in 300 at Mt. SAC?

Marty wrote: Some interesting splits were taken during Koch's 47.60 WR. Times by her coach (and future husband) Wolfgang Meier were 10.9 - 11.5 (22.4) - 11.7 (34.1) - 13.5 (47.6) The split for the 1st 100 which went around a curve was probably off and likely at least a few tenths slower.

Re: t-and-f: Records

10,000 - 28.32.7 - Rudy Chapa 1976 5,000 - 13.44.0 - Gerry Lindgren 1964 2 Miles - 8:36.3 - Jeff Nelson 1979 Mile 3:55.3 - Jim Ryun 1965 400 - 44.69 - Darrell Robinson 1982 Conway From: Tom Jimenez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Tom Jimenez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]&q

Re: t-and-f: Marion shooting for WR in 300 at Mt. SAC?

empts" ... Especially in the sprints ... An attempt like this in a major meet should generate a lot of interest ... So I don' think you should have ot apologize for trying to do something spoitive in teh sport ... Conway _ Get your FRE

Re: t-and-f: Marion shooting for WR in 300 at Mt. SAC?

of ... But also the AR at 400 since that quick a 300 would set her up nicely for a sub 49 ... Would be the incentive needed to get our women to run a little quicker first half of the race for 400 ... Maybe we could even get more than 2 American women to break 40 in the same race ... Conway - Original

RE: t-and-f: Greene and Moses/HBO

ly seemed to be to focus on the negative ... Conway Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

RE: t-and-f: Distance Runners

Brian wrote: Conway wrote: We've become totally intimidated by the opposition as presented by the "African's" ?? We have? I thought it was just too hard to beat a 2:07 marathoner when you are a 2:12 marathoner .. and too hard to hang with 62 second laps when you cover 5000m a

Re: t-and-f: better than Lindgren? (was: Ranking HS distance greats

18:34:03 EST In a message dated Wed, 28 Mar 2001 4:57:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Conway Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>writes: Actually, no, he wasn't. Au contraire! I suggest you go back and read TFNs from 64-65 era (a time before I had even heard of the magazin

Re: t-and-f: un@#$@#^%!believeable!

d readings ... Hopefully the heatsare not run during any gusty winds ... And I'm also guessing that the injury rate goes up which would be worse than the athletes having to run an extra round ... Conway HillGet your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: better than Lindgren? (was: Ranking HS distance greats

are talking about today is needed in the sport (at least here domestically) and that is a charisma that brought the fans to the track ... And while that is not necessarily the equivalent of wins and loses it should count for something in terms of rating an individuals impact on the sport ... Conway

Re: t-and-f: Distance runners

tance running/runners ?? I ask this as there has been no similar "boom" in any other aspect of the sport, yet the sector that got the "boom" is the one that has seemed to have fallen off in this country ... Just a question .. Conway Hill Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

RE: t-and-f: Distance runners

Malmo wrote: Actually, the facts don't quite paint the same picture. From 1976-1985 more Americans ranked in the world scene at distances than ever before. But those athletes would have already been in the "system" so to speak ... They were trianing and involved in the sport prior

t-and-f: Stanford Invitational - JaWarren Hooker

I see that JaWarren Hooker is entered in all 3 sprints at Stanford - 100 / 200 / 400 ... Does anyone know if he actually plans to compete in all 3 or is he just going to try for a double in 2 of them ??? Conway Hill _ Get your

Re: t-and-f: Epilogue - persecuted?

n interest discuss/debate ... Conway Hill _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: What's next?

.. Without damaging the competition or sacrificing the athlete ... Conway Hill _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: What's next?

Excellent points to which I would hope the IAAF pays attention to Conway Hill From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: What's next? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:40:16 EST the start for the sprinter/hurdler is such a complex piece

t-and-f: Track and Field on television

t give two thumbs up for the telecast ... Larry Rosen was excellent as usual ... ANd the telecast itself was pretty top notch .. Conway Hill _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: Track and Field on television

, not Larry Rosen, who was excellent. I apologize ... You are right ... I conbined the names of two outstanding track and field individuals ... Larry Rawson and MEl Rosen .. My apologies ... Conway Hill _ Get your FREE download of MSN

Re: t-and-f: DI Regional Qualifying Discussion

for head to head competition and the development of high level regional meets ... Which I do believe would be good for enhancing the fan base ... Conway Hill - Original Message - From:Ed Dana Parrot Sent:Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:04 AM To:'t-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail

Re: t-and-f: reaction doesn't equal starting (was: X-Men (was: Reaction Time

are to immediately discount the possibility ... Conway Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: New rules

st half) of the race Conway HillGet your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

RE: t-and-f: New rules

Brian wrote: I can't win, so I am changing my name to: CCLANFS R. McEwen. Pronounced: Clan-fiss Ahr Mac-yew-ehn. Stands for: Couldn't Care Less About No False Start Rule. It was a JOKE, Conway. Since I am apparently the only evil-incarnate on the list I was making a little joke

Re: t-and-f: has the NCAA rule hurt?

GH wrote: Conway wrote: And collegiate sprint times have failry mired as well save for the occasional super star that emerges . I don't think so. Here's the all-time list of men's 100s as made in the NCAA Championships. 9.92 Ato Boldon' (UCLA) ’96 9.97 Olapade Adeniken' (UTEP) ’92

Re: t-and-f: New rules

ndividuals .. Conway Hill _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: New rules

eep em on the track when you get them there .. Conway Hill _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: reaction times

human reaction times" based on the averages of Valeri Borzov ??? (although I believe Alexander Korneliuk, his compatriot, had faster overall reaction times) Conway Hill _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: New rules

t you better come up with a whole lot more than just the one Conway Hill Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: New rules

lined up near by ??? You would consider that unsportsmanlike conduct ?? How about something more like fear and "this is my only hope" ! Unsportsmanlike would be if they could break early and NOT be called back ... That is why it is considered a false start .. Conway Hill Get your FRE

Re: t-and-f: field-falsie (was: Proposed changes in IAAF rules

Actually I believe that statement came from Darrell, not from me ... Conway - Original Message - From:Randall Northam Sent:Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:36 AM To:Conway Hill Cc:posting Subject:Re: t-and-f: field-falsie (was: Proposed changes in IAAF rules on 15/3/01 5:15 PM, Conway Hill

Re: t-and-f: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

uild speed through the zone ... Teams would still have to execute passes .. But the record in the men's race would definitely drop below 37.00 ... Does anyone know why these changes have been suggested ??? Conway Hill From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL

Re: t-and-f: This is our sport?

the Worlds There are so many exciting things happeneing in the sport ... Would be nice for US to talk about them ... We are allowed to discuss mor than just controversy here aren't we ??? Conway HillGet your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: Enough Already!

en better to NOT interview him at all .. Conway Hill _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: How to prevent the injury to Coby Miller

as you are trying to break .. Add the fact that they were leaning and off balance in a tight finish and those things are just going to happen .. Conway Hill _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: another thought on standing (if you can stand it)

remember when the stands were full at track meets ... AND I still write results in my programs (mine and the official ones) ... Conway Hill - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: SRO

the track was empty so that the fans could see the other things going on in the stadium ... So I think Sacto has gotten a bad rap for trying to "take the fun" out of the meet .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your

Re: t-and-f: Stars

T. Jordan wrote: Conway Hill wrote about the 2000 Oly Trials in Sacramento: Mo, MJ and Marion were there ... Where else in the US = can you see the 3 of them in the same meet All three have been at the Prefontaine Classic the past three years...but that just proves your point, Conway

Re: t-and-f: Entertainment (was Imperialist Throwing (Long)

y we can't do things instead of ways TO DO THEM ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

States we seem to appreciate competitioin more when our own are involved (Look at how televesion covers the WCs and OGs) .. So when we are not competitive in events it really doesn't matter how we choose to run them ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Wayne T. Armbrust" [EM

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

"conversions" shold just be for the sake of trying to inform an otherwise uninterested public of what are athletes are accomplishing .. A centimeter here or there does not matter one iota to Joe Sixpack ... Conway HillGet your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: world records

are not preditcable .. And there should be more opportunity to achieve them ... Conway Hill Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

Looking up in Green Book ... :o) ... Conway - Original Message - From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Sunday, February 18, 2001 1:13 PM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: t-and-f: Imperialist Conway wrote:I think, more importantly we are discussing a metrically oriented sport ..Quick, Conway

Re: t-and-f:lions and stretching and runners oh my!!

him and you'll learn most of what you have to know. Mike Platt Or how about Edwin Moses .. Who if my memory doesn't fail me was very meticulous in his warm up .. And was rarely injured .. Moses did a lot of running duringhis warm up .. Conway

Re: t-and-f: women's 4 x 200 meters relay record

Now Uri ... That is not an East German record ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message - From:Uri Goldbourt, PhD Sent:Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:29 AM To:Kurt Bray; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: t-and-f: women's 4 x 200 meters relay record How about

Re: t-and-f: On 3/4 turn staggers

ow as 18.5 (probably it was closer to 19.0) Oh yes, the guy who ran that leg was better known for another event. This is an easy trivia question, but just for fun, name him. Too easy Ed .. That was Renaldo Nehemiah ... Conway Hill[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RE:t-and-f: speaking of stupid rules....

! Although thinking about it - the 2000 might make even more ;-) So what do we do for sprints ?? Not sure the 250 sounds too inviting ?!?? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Speaking of Stupid Rules II

around the late 70's as a result of "too many false starts slowing down track meets" .. Does it make sense since on the world scene it does not apply ?? And unfortunately the high schools later followed suit with the colleges :o( .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Athletes Status

Nationals ?? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams - Part II

show up every where .. And rather than list my picks first I'll let others state their claims ... (Women later Darrell) .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Heir to the Throne

the medal stand at the World Championships .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Olympic champion comes clean

ntly chasing "ill gotten" marks innocent as well ?? Sorry but the actions of the IAAF and IOC do not make sense to me .. Not if the goal is the progression of the sport .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

Hayes 4x4 1- Danny Everett 2 - Quincy Watts 3 - Steve Lewis 4 - Michael Johnson Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

ng to pick a Brit it would be John Regis who was much more consistent at running sub 44's .. And while Juantorena was tough it was during a down time for teh eventn .. The guys we're talking about have speed !!! A team running 43.5's would be struggling to keep close to the squad I named .. Conway H

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

abilities .. If I were going to make a change there it might be for Leroy Burrell who had experience handling the baton on the second leg and showed his ability to pass the baton as well as receive it .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

this squad, but I agree with Steve S. get rid of Maicel and put in Chandra and I think they have WR potential .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

stest" teams on the track do not always win .. And while I might be wiling to toy with my #2 leg, I submit that Drummond and C. Smith just might be the best ever on the first and third legs .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

indication that all is in the past and everything is moving forward .. A discussion on drugs or purging records does not always have to negative .. it's only negative when the sport allows it to be .. There are many positive aspects to "cleaning" something up Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

.. I would rank Dennis as #2 though .. Although I am sure he would disagree .. But most people seem to be obsessed with pure speed and so some who have mastered the art of relay running tend to get overlooked .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

GH wrote: In a message dated Fri, 19 Jan 2001 6:05:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Conway" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Convene a panel .. whatever .. When ALL is complete you make a one time adjustment .. Of all records that need adjusting .. You take out all "bad marks" a

Re: t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

immediately off the top of my head .. But I am sure there are ways to do it that will work if folks set that as a goal and priority instead of hiding behind the fear of litigation ... Lord knows our sport is thriving and number one on everyone's list .. No need to go screwing with that .. Conway

Re: t-and-f: the Rankings

Ed wrote: Conway wrote: Just an across the board fairness that works for everyone .. To go back to an examp[le some one used regarding Carl Lewis and Mike Powell .. Carl won the biggest honor .. However Powell ruled head to head (against the world) and had the best sequence of marks

Re: t-and-f: Olympic champion comes clean

this has not occured to date ?? Conway Hill[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: the Rankings

Ed wrote: Conway wrote: Actually Ed I still think it is easy .. Because in this case each competitor competed in close to the maximum events possible .. One can only compete in a few quality marathons a year .. But how many? Some coaches would say only one, and have their athlete

Re: t-and-f: Fastest lead off leg

in Atlanta (semi) 44.59 Lamont Smith in Atlanta (final) and then several 44.5s Hope this helps .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: where are the jumpers (was Top 10 lists?

to maintain some sort of state of development for the sport of track and field in this country .. I am very gung ho on the sport but I too am almost to the point where I believe Kenya will be ahead of us in the not too distant future if something doesn't happen soon ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Fastest lead off leg

to watch People's 43.1 which was truly a thing of beauty .. Visually the most awesome leg ever run .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: the Rankings, my final word(s)

f the Constitution and the TFN rankings) did an awesome job .. Integrity born of simplicity .. Maybe we get to complicated .. Maybe it really is that simple .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Athletics International Rankings

or whomever has a role to play in this .. Hence my disappointment in the rankings .. Nothing personal .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Re: rankings

losses but won the big one and faced all comers .. THAT is the way it should be .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Re: rankings

will help to self educate Mr. Public .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: MJ farewell tour

g for the sport but was only out for Carl Lewis .. Who does he think he is out for and all kidding aside what is his legacy that he has left to the sport ?? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Re: rankings

.. But it within itself did not define the season .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: TNF does it again

in their meeting .. Split with Brian Lewis .. And was clearly better than Montgomery and Brokenburr who couldn't beat anybody .. That takes care of everybody in the top 10 except Greene and Drummond .. And Drummond was ranked woefully low .. Just an opion .. But I did bring my facts to the table .. Conway Hill

Re: t-and-f: TNF does it again

Ed wrote: Conway wrote: that crap where Moses and Lewis and MJ and others try to protect wins and avoid the tough competitions should be a thing of the past .. MO showed that it is ok to lose I may be way off base on this (and I'm sure someone will let me

Re: t-and-f: TNF does it again

2 in the whole world, since he is reigning over a kingdom of mediocrity ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: TNF does it again

Ed wrote: Conway wrote: The sport is about competition and athletes should be rewarded for competing NOT for not competing ... And if rankers would rate MJ over MO because he was undefeated in the 400 and MO had a few loses then they're doing a dis-service to the sport, as MO

Re: t-and-f: The storm by the numbers

a TFN fan who has every copy printed since I started reading it in high school back in the 70's ..... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: 400ih vs 300ih

of progression maybe 400IH will eventually happen .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: TNF does it again

lse is out there ?? Conway Hill[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: mindboggling men's 200 stat

Ed wrote: Except for a Mr. Boldon, of course! Yeah forgot about Mr. Boldon .. Except the only time he is Caribbean is in championship meets .. The rest of the time he is American .. :o) Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Re: Clubs (fwd)

something other than just going out to the park .. Things like starting blocks and hurdles .. Runways and pits .. Weight rooms .. These things are all part of track and field if one is going to train to compete against others whatever the level is .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: mindboggling men's 200 stat

.. Will do better next time :o( .. CONWAY! OH CONWAY How could you let me down like that? I expect so much more from you. Oba the only Caribbean since that time to rank? Hello, think 1997 World Champion. Small Caribbean island just north of South America. Ato has been ranked

Re: t-and-f: mindboggling men's 200 stat

NOT being #1 in the event this year ?? Conway Hill[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: mindboggling men's 200 stat CONWAY! OH

Re: t-and-f: Re: Clubs

make any noise .. No we don't see them out there competing .. Doesn't mean they don't want to or wouldn't if the opportunity existed .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Storm watch

... Not to downgrade Kenteris, but that was definitely the case of the proverbial blind squirrel finding the rare (or occasional) nut ! Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: mindboggling men's 200 stat

but not too when you stop to think that if you add the entire Caribbean and its wealth of sprinters I would think that Oba Thompson would probably be the only other ranker in the 200 during the same time span .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Guess who on the cover of VOGUE

... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Re: Clubs

nvironment for this athlete .. Both in terms of clubs and competitive opportunities .. All will not progress to the point of world class .. But some will ... And so what if the majority do not .. Is track and field just for the elite ??? And the rest of us should just watch ?? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Re: Clubs

ith relays that go 39.50/3:05 ... Guys (and girls) that are just short of Olympic trial caliber who might get there in the next 4 years given an opportunity ... That system would be developmental ! Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: NCAA ALL AMERICAN.....

to recruit foreigners with much success .. When guys like Rono and Waigwa were winning everything and "Americans" began to have a hard time competing .. Was also around the time when we started keeping track of collegiate records as American and non American .. Someone correct me if I am w

t-and-f: Junior lists

Does anyone know where to find all time lists for high school and/or juniors ??? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: 110mH - Stagnant event?

13.20 and 14 under 13.30 .. I would call that progress .. When Nehemiah and Foster were going at it there was no where near this kind of depth .. So if the fact that more people are nearing the barriers counts then I believe there has been much progress in the sport ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: 110mH - Stagnant event?

mon's"" of their events .. Had Skeets not tried football He may have run 12.7x back in the 80's ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Why the lack of improvement

that fit into the equation ??? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Why the lack of improvement

0.3x-10.4x sprinters (talking high school times) .. Usually the fastest guys can't catch the ball !!! And these guys usually don't hope to challenge in the sprints at the college level and so naturally gravitate towards football which they ultimately see as a potential pay check .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Why the lack of improvement

ockets in an attempt to provide for the athletes ?? Where are we club wise ?? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Why the lack of improvement

shouldn't "good" coaching account for something in the way of improvement / motivation , etc ??? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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