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In a message dated 03/09/2001 7:20:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Idiots don't get sympathy. Since idiots get no sympathy neither will you! You assume that food will provide you with all you need to compete at the elite level of sports, that is naive and ill-informed.

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Hi RT You wrote: if you get stopped for driving with a burned out taillight, slur your answers to the questions, and fail a subsequent breathalyzer test, it makes no difference HOW the alcohol got in your system. You're gonna get hit with a DUI conviction. That's not true. If you got to

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RT wrote: if you get stopped for driving with a burned out taillight, slur your answers to the questions, and fail a subsequent breathalyzer test, it makes no difference HOW the alcohol got in your system. You're gonna get hit with a DUI conviction. Justin wrote: That's not true. If you

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Thus, an athlete should not be punished for taking something illegal when they had no way of knowing that they were doing so. This is particularly the case when the scientific basis for the ban is as flimsy as is the case with some banned drugs. The scientific basis for the ban should be

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of the thread if you're not already. Ho hum. -- From: Ed Dana Parrot Reply To: Ed Dana Parrot Sent: Friday, March 9, 2001 3:18 pm To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) Subject: Re: t-and-f: `Real' cheats prosper claims drugs chief RT wrote

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Netters Ed wrote: The scientific basis for the ban should be irrelevant - it is a rule and we shouldn't have to justify rules. No Ed not here. The vigilant free society does need to justify its rules.

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It's been said on this list before, but bears repeating- other than Baumann and maybe Mitchell, everybody hit with charges the last few years says it's because of unlisted ingredients in supplements they were taking. Ditto for Hunter- he blames it on iron supplements. Why do they take

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WHUT-CHU-TALKIN-BOUT-WILLIS? Outside the world of HSNI ("N" is for nepotism) we can be subject to random drug testing with NO recourse. It works just fine if you have nothing to hide. malmo -Original Message-What people will not talk about is the fact that sports is the only

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Malmo wins. He got me. Such a thoughtful and insightful comment, I have no recourse against. But please inform me of what nepotism has to do with anything? I am lost on that one. If any of you doubt my statements, read the comments of the IAAF concerning their drug policy, anything, regardless

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If any of you doubt my statements, read the comments of the IAAF concerning their drug policy, anything, regardless of how it got there, the athlete is responsible for. In the real world, that would never fly. Not even at malmo's job. Actually, if you get stopped for driving with a burned

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D]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: t-and-f: `Real' cheats prosper claims drugs chief TF is not the only sport subjected to testing, as all pro athletes are subject to be tested, also. I believe that since the IAAF is a non-governmental body, it is not subj

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In a message dated 03/04/2001 09:44:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: True, but the difference is that sports is the only arena where drugs are significantly performance enhancing. But guess what, if the athletes were willing to form a union and take all the attendant

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be no different. It is your message that was rhetoric. -Brian -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 10:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: t-and-f: `Real' cheats prosper claims drugs chief This is the kind of bitter rhetoric

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OK, Brian. I'll bite. What constitutes "reasonable suspicion" for an athlete? A Personal Best? A season-leading mark? An increase in rankings of xxx percent? Irrational behavior (like clowning in front of a camera or punching a competitor in a hotel lobby)? I guess I'm having trouble

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In a message dated 03/05/2001 1:03:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With the approval of a line of business president or equal/higher-level XX executive, any employee may be tested for the presence of illegal drugs at any time when there is reasonable suspicion that

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-Original Message-From: Guy Oekerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:34 PMTo: Mcewen, Brian T; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: t-and-f: `Real' cheats prosper claims drugs chief OK, Brian. I'll bite. What constitutes "reasonable susp

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here I sit, it looks like they are doing a great job of beating the testing all by themselves. -Brian McEwen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:38 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: t-and-f: `Re

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In a message dated 03/05/2001 3:59:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is strange that nothing causes Marijuana or Cocaine to show up in your urine or hair ... we only have false positives for drugs like Nandrolone, Stanozolol, EPO, amphetamines, caffeine. It's weird

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In a message dated 03/05/2001 4:07:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't belong to a Union ... and yes, Labor Laws protect me (and everyone else) from a lot of things I would like to avoid. These laws (and lots of others) also protect track and field athletes from

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In a message dated 03/05/2001 1:03:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,barn.meow'[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With the approval of a line ofBiznizzpresident or equal/higher/lower or inferior-levelMade-upexecutive, any employee may be tested for the presence of illegal

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PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: `Real' cheats prosper claims drugs chief In a message dated 03/05/2001 1:03:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With the approval of a line of business president or equal/higher-level XX

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This is the kind of bitter rhetoric that is killing the efforts of progress in our sport. Although, a minor point, athletes are held at a higher standard than Joe Schmo, and his private affairs, i.e., DUI are a matter of public record, most times the cameras are at the station before the

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DGS wrote: Every person has a right to privacy, and random drug testing is a hot topic in all industries. What people will not talk about is the fact that sports is the only arena where the employees are subjected to random testing with minimal recourse.If you work at Ford the Union

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The Electronic Telegraph Saturday 3 March 2001 Mihir Bose MOST top athletes take drugs and only `ignorant' ones fail the tests conducted during the Olympic Games. This claim has been made to The Daily Telegraph by Robert Voy, the former chief medical officer of the US Olympic Committee.