Re: t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-14 Thread Ed Dana Parrot
Maybe Bob Hersh has a comment on this, but it seems to me that to state in advance that no one except Marla will run past 3000m and then to have it go down as stated would invalidate the record. I have always heard that you want to ensure three finishers in order to meet the reqirement of three

t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-14 Thread Roger Ruth
Just a little different perspective: "Will this race be valid for record ratification?" Does it matter? It's clear, from correspondence on this thread, that "validity" hinges on a narrow interpretation of what may be minimally within the rules. In the end, a record, if such ensues, will stand

Re: t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-13 Thread David Sobal
simple solutions then would be: 1) have the pacers continue jogging (or walking even) in the outside lane until she is finished, at which time they could "race" to their finish of the 5k 2) have the pacers continue running behind her, but fast enough that they do not get lapped

Re: t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-13 Thread Ed Dana Parrot
simple solutions then would be: 1) have the pacers continue jogging (or walking even) in the outside lane until she is finished, at which time they could "race" to their finish of the 5k 2) have the pacers continue running behind her, but fast enough that they do not get lapped Neither

Re: t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-13 Thread Adam G Beaver
It seems to me that all these special conditions for Runyan's race are not only illegal, but also absurd and detrimental to the sport. How can an athlete specify that he or she wants to run a race alone because he or she is more comfortable without other runners "interfering"? Isn't this what

Re: t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-13 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:31:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Adam G Beaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why would anyone agree to arrange such a race for Runyan? Why would Runyan think that obtaining a particular time justify betraying the purpose of athletics? And should anyone care

Re: t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-13 Thread Ed Dana Parrot
Nobody detests rabbited races more than I, but in this situation i suspect there's a certain element of (misguided) "humanitarian concern," relative to Runyan's blindness. gh I suspect that gh may be right, in which case this is the same BS as the Casey Martin situation in golf. I can

Re: t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-13 Thread philip_ponebshek
I understand all the concerns below - but any sanctioning body would do well to wait out the Casey Martin verdict from the Supreme Court before stepping in and inviting a host of lawyers by refusing Marla her record, if she sets one. After all, the Supremes DO seem to be partial toward the

RE: t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-13 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
When the "outcome" of the race is a forgone conclusion the predetermined winner is allowed to focus only on the time and the even pacing that usually yields the fastest time for a given athlete. This is clearly an advantage, and from what the press release said is clearly what they were planning

Re: t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-13 Thread WMurphy25
In a message dated 2/13/01 5:36:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody detests rabbited races more than I, but in this situation i suspect there's a certain element of (misguided) "humanitarian concern," relative to Runyan's blindness. gh I suspect that gh may be right, in which

Re: t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-13 Thread Ed Dana Parrot
I understand all the concerns below - but any sanctioning body would do well to wait out the Casey Martin verdict from the Supreme Court before stepping in and inviting a host of lawyers by refusing Marla her record, if she sets one. A big piece of the Casey Martin case rests on the

Re: t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-13 Thread Tim Willis
Everyone: Thanks to Walt Murphy for setting things straight for all of us. First and most importantly, there has been no clear evidence that Marla Runyan or her camp have ask for any special treatment. If there has been any publishing of that fact, I missed it. Facts such as that are a

t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-12 Thread R.T.
I saw Bert Rosenthal's AP writeup (significant portion attached) and was confused on the extreme setup for Marla Runyon's national indoor 5K record attempt this coming weekend- they DON'T WANT ANYBODY EXCEPT RUNYON TO FINISH THE RACE!!! To actually state this in advance seems to be an obvious