t-and-f: Masters milestone at Kezar Stadium

Y ask Y: Once upon a time, around 1965, a middle-aged San Diego lawyer named David Pain thought it would be cool if folks his age could have track meets of their own. He tested the waters by nagging meet directors to include a "masters mile" for men over 40. By 1969, he'd organized the

Re: t-and-f: Embarassment

Andrew, You're missing the point. The issue is not that recruitment of foreign athletes is dragging down US track and field as opposed to those that are lost to the "big three sports", but that our "farm system" (the NCAA)is spending more time and money recruiting and developing foreign

t-and-f: Finished version: Masters milestone

Sent previous message prematurely. My apologies. Y ask Y: Once upon a time, around 1965, a middle-aged San Diego lawyer named David Pain thought it would be cool if folks his age could have track meets of their own. He tested the waters by nagging meet directors to include a "masters mile"

t-and-f: Embarassment

Andrew Owusu wrote US is the only country that has 3 major sports (Basketball, Football and Baseball) of equal prestige. For the rest of the world, its probably soccer leaving Athletics (Track and Field) as a 2nd or 3rd most favorite sport. Not so in the UK. I would argue that football

RE: t-and-f: Embarassment

Not so in Ireland either, Gaelic Football, Hurling, Soccer, Basketball in that order. Athletics comes some way down the list. Mike Casey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randall Northam Sent: 25 October 2000 04:23 To: posting Subject:

Re: t-and-f: Embarassment

I guess I really did miss the point. I forgot about one the the main differences between the Canadian and US systems. Up here the grass roots, or school system, is for the most part completely voluntary. All most all of the coachs have a full time job and then coach on the side (and for many this

t-and-f: US Youngsters

Hi All The debate about the US education system is very interesting but to me the production of talented youngsters is not a problem in the US. Rather, it's keeping talented youngsters in the sport. There are two aspects to this, as I see it. First, how to keep them from other pro sports, or

t-and-f: More Olympic Memories

In no particular order Joaquim Cruz in LA 1984. Such grace and power as he left Coe in his wake. A measure of his dominance was that Coe had no complaints - he was beaten by a better man. (Cruz ran 1:41.77 later that year, which by rights should have given him a share of the WR since Coe's

t-and-f: Trivia

An odd trivia question in that it's easy to find out the answer, but interesting in that the answer is surprising: What is the Kenyan 800m record and who set it, when? Justin NB It's not a trick question - I'm not including Wilson Kipketer.

Re: t-and-f: US Youngsters

Good athletes can now make good money in tf, albeit not at the level of an NFL wide receiver. I'd dispute this. I think that GREAT athletes can make good money in TF - merely good athletes (and I mean good in world class sense, and not in a "relative to the general population" sense) are

Re: t-and-f: Trivia

According to http://www.hkkk.fi/~niininen/africa.html as of May 13, 1998 it's 1:42.28Sam Koskei KEN Cologne260884 Bill Bahnfleth At 01:18 PM 10/25/2000 +0100, Justin Clouder wrote: An odd trivia question in that it's easy to find out the answer, but

t-and-f: Junior Club in Aachen, Germany?

I've been working with a 16-year old transfer student from Aachen who came out for XC this fall - he'd never run before (hadn't really done any organized sports, really), but has taken to it pretty well, and is at around 18:30 - 5K shape after only a couple months running. He's got decent enough

Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment

I take offense at the statements about the Associations failing miserably with grass-roots development. In Southern California, we have well over 100 registered youth clubs and have many, many meets each year. We have a very active Youth Committee who is able to be self-sufficient

Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment

Since this discussion will not die I will chime in. The US presence at Chile was remarkable to Americans, given the general understanding of our system, and how difficult the timing was. For everyone else it is a chance to feel hopeful. I relate it to the hubbub that came up after Dwain

t-and-f: MLF

On this comment: I think he is soft, and it showed in his decision. His subsequent dominance in Chile showed me that he should have made the move to the next level. Yes, he is young, but I am talking attitude. I do not see the fire in him that is needed to make it on the

RE: t-and-f: Trivia

Bill wrote: According to http://www.hkkk.fi/~niininen/africa.html as of May 13, 1998 it's 1:42.28Sam Koskei KEN Cologne260884 Indeed it is. I thought it surprising that, despite the Kenyan advances in recent years, the national 800m record is 16 years

Re: t-and-f: Trivia

That's why I gave the date. Here's a site that claims to have been updated on 25 Sep 00 http://www.algonet.se/~pela2/mtrack/m_800ok.htm All-time men's best 800 m 1 1.41,11Wilson KipketerDEN 70-12-121 Köln 1997-08-24 2 1.41,24Wilson Kipketer

t-and-f: Good money?

Good money is not defined by the salaries of the pro sports. Good money is defined by lifestyle and the economy. Good money can be made in track these days. What is done with that money is a diiferent story. The G.O.A.T.

RE: t-and-f: Trivia

Indeed. The fact that Koskei is still the fourth fastest runner over this distance and has the tenth fastest performance speaks to just how good this mark was at the time. Of the top 10 performances, Kipketer has 7 while Coe and Cruz have just one each. It is also remarkable that Coe and

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Justin Clouder wrote: 1:42.28Sam Koskei KEN Cologne260884 Indeed it is. I thought it surprising that, despite the Kenyan advances in recent years, the national 800m record is 16 years old. Having said that, it's a very very good record,

Re: Mark Lewis-Francis (was: Re: t-and-f: Embarassment)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone help me with my 70's history, but I believe in the seventies we won the 100m one time, in the 80's we won the race once, in the 90's we won the race none, and did not medal in 96. Didn't win the 100 at all in the 70s (Borzov and Crawford), but Lewis won

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

There has been essentially no significant improvement in the last two decades. My only conclusion is that EPO has little effect on a distance that short. Paul Yes and No ... At the time (1979 and 1981) Coe's 800m records were considered far out of reach for the rest of the world. So, while

t-and-f: Youth Programs

In our area of Canada track is not the major sport or even a major sport. We come somewhere after hockey, baseball, basketball and soccer. I believe that it is more popular in Ontario but not this far east. By numbers we would be lucky to be anywhere above 8th or 9th. And I must disagree with

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

My opinion of this theory is that EPO is less of a contributor to performance enhancement because 800m performance depends much less on Aerobic capacity than the 1500m (and EPO only directly boosts Aerobic capacity). With EPO, you also have to take into account

Re: t-and-f: Embarassment

How is the college recruitment of foreign athletes NOT hurting US athletic development? Foreign athletes must be on a 100% scholarship. With only 12 1/2 scholarships to go around for the men, you'd better be a foreigner or able to score 30-40 points per meet to get a full ride. Compared to

t-and-f: development

In a message dated 25/10/2000 7:56:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In many of the countries, there is great emphasis on development, here, everyone wants to win; get the fastest, strongest or most powerful, put them out on the track and/or field and have them

t-and-f: Fwd: USATF NEWS NOTES - 10/25/00

From USATF. Paul Merca Contact: Tom Surber Media Information Coordinator USA Track Field 317-261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org USATF NEWS NOTES Vol. 1, Number 50 October 25, 2000 Greene faces "Hot Seat"

t-and-f: Peahen alert

Netters: My alma mater, St. Peter''s College, has made little contributions to the international world of track and field in its (once interruped) century and a quarter of chartered existence, but we may be on the threshhold of doubling our current involvement in the elite circles of the

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

In a message dated Wed, 25 Oct 2000 4:36:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, if you assume that most (or all) of the improvements to the WR's in the 800-1m are due to EPO over the last 8-10 years ... ..you'd be wrong. sideshow

t-and-f: Former USC track coach Wolfe dies at 78

Former USC track coach Wolfe dies at 78 LOS ANGELES (October 25, 2000 7:12 p.m. EDT http://www.sportserver.com) - Vern Wolfe, who guided Southern California to seven men's NCAA championships during his 22 years as coach, died Wednesday in Fallbrook, the school said. He was 78. Complete

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

In a message dated Wed, 25 Oct 2000 1:47:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "P.F.Talbot" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There has been essentially no significant improvement in the last two decades. My only conclusion is that EPO has little effect on a distance that short. Paul That's your only

Re: t-and-f: Foreign athlets, was Embarassment

In a message dated 10/25/00 6:33:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is the college recruitment of foreign athletes NOT hurting US athletic development? Foreign athletes must be on a 100% scholarship. With only 12 1/2 scholarships to go around for the men, you'd better be a foreigner or

t-and-f: Exercises for jumping events

I was curious to know whether anyone knew of any exercises that were good for building muscle for jumping events (triple jump, long jump, and high jump.) Are there any exercises that I should avoid? You can email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]Thank you!

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

However, if you assume that most (or all) of the improvements to the WR's in the 800-1m are due to EPO over the last 8-10 years ... ..you'd be wrong. sideshow you'd be naive malmo

Re: t-and-f: Exercises for jumping events

netters Erin Dunham wrote: Are there any exercises that I should avoid? Yeah i can think of one. DON"T EVER RACEWALK! You'll have vertical of 2 inches in about a week:) Good Training, Michael Rohl

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

Rono. One of the greatest talents ever to be sure, but not remotely as dedicated and as hard a trainer as today's Kenyans. sideshow Yeah, right. malmo