I agree that useful is a good criteria, but there are times when
authorised is not adequate. For example, different parking areas are
authorized for different functional entities. Maybe I should know if my
authrorization qualifies for a particular area, but there's a significant
probability
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
In that case maybe we should continue trying to bend access to fit the
purpose,
This is not so wrong, imho, if access= means use is restricted to. Use
for a road means driving, use for a parking lot means parking, use
On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 11:52:30AM +1100, Steve Bennett wrote:
Second comment: As always, its not that easy. You can't just read osm.xml.
At least you have to take the osm2pgsql config into account. Also you
probably
Sure, can you give me a few pointers? I haven't got Mapnik or running.
tight/spacious/critical are terms from the Dutch guidance on
assessing/adapting roads for cycling, and endorsed by UK guidance (Type
LTN208 into your favourite search engine if interested)
Richard
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
Yep. In river water there is less than 500 ppm of dissolved salts. So, rent
a boat, take water samples at determined positions and measure the
conductivity.
(Just kidding... :-) )
I just had to look this up
converted 500ppm to EC units
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, so it looks like we're back to access=destination then :).
Well, access=destination was intended for roads that you can drive
through, if you're going somewhere nearby, right? access=customer would be
more intuitive,
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Richard Mann
richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote:
Steve - dip your toe in the Smoothness debate on the wiki, and recoil with
horror that people have devoted so much time to arguing over suitability
measures.
Heh, I've only seen the results of it so
As a travelling cyclist I need to know if I am going to be able to take a
particular road or not before I get there. I know bicycles are not permitted
on motorways/autobahns/autovias etc so I suspect that it is implied that
bicycle=no on roads designated as such on the Map. But sometimes, you can
Erik Johansson wrote:
Yes but people say don't tag for the renderer which a horrible meme,
I say always tag for the renderer. If there is not visual
feedbackyou are doing it wrong (except in keepright).
Only using a tag because it appears in a renderer style sheet (or
conversely not using
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote:
By Don't Tag for the renderer we generally mean don't tag for one
particular renderer, Its like writing a website for IE that does not
work in Firefox; Not a good idea.
Nice analogy!
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
tag for what the renderer should be, not what the renderer is.
+1
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Jonathan Bennett
openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote:
The voting procedure was never an official policy, and when it was
first discussed (in something like 2006) it was only for tags to appear
on the Map Features page as a core tag.
This sounds sensible to me.
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking through the list, there are some interesting points - not just
mistakes in the data. For example, osmarender has much more detailed support
for historic=*. Both support landuse=conservation, although it's not
So - question to the group - do people think that foot / bicycle /
etc. = yes / no / permissive etc. has any strictly legal
implication
in their area / usage?
Technically, yep, best to follow the wiki on this one.
follow the wiki - yes, perhaps - but WHICH wiki ... See my earlier long
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:09 PM, David Calder davidjcal...@gmail.com wrote:
As a travelling cyclist I need to know if I am going to be able to take a
particular road or not before I get there. I know bicycles are not permitted
on motorways/autobahns/autovias etc so I suspect that it is implied
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, so it looks like we're back to access=destination then :).
Well, access=destination was intended for roads that you can drive
through, if you're going somewhere nearby, right? access=customer would be
more
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Jonathan Bennett
openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote:
There's some disagreement over that exact point. There are some mappers
(myself included) who completely ignore the proposal procedure, because
they believe that it's a needless layer of bureaucracy that
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote:
leisure=golf_course:
bunker: natural=beach
water: natural=water
start point (tee?): highway=pedestrian
Excellent example. I'd tag the water that way (and possibly also
golf:water_hazard or whatever), but tagging the
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
As I've said before, I have absolutely no idea how suitable a particular
way is for bicycling.
Sure, but presumably you could follow directions if they
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
... I'm not going through a lookup table
of road surfaces and their suitability for bicycling when I could just tag
the road surface and let a computer do that.
+1. And more importantly, let the user specify what they want. It's
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
We must be operating under different assumptions. I'm thinking it's *easier*
to use a single tag, like bicycle:suitability=medium for a stretch of a
few kilometres, rather than tagging the width each time it changes,
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
We must be operating under different assumptions. I'm thinking it's
*easier* to use a single tag, like bicycle:suitability=medium for a
stretch of a few kilometres, rather than tagging the width each time it
changes, the
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
What kind of surface/width changes are we talking about? I'd support a
relaxaton of the width tag to support a range of tags (width=2-3). The tag
est_width=2.5 is already in the wiki. As for surface changes, I don't
know how
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Jonathan Bennett
openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote:
Consistency between our two example renders would be a good thing, so
thanks for putting some work into this. I think there may be some tags
missing -- I can't see highway=turning_circle in your list, which
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/10 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
Anyone know why this is? Perhaps a hack implemented before filter
was invented or something?
Why would it need to filter?
The SQL query is pretty specific and I'm
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
There's a big difference between a fence intended to keep cars out, and one
that keeps people out.
*Sigh*. I'll bite. What would be a fence which is a barrier to one, but
not to the other? You know barrier doesn't
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Yep. Fortunately, there aren't too many ways which use both highway=* and
barrier=*.
Yeah...but still. I'm not a fan of having bicycle=no mean two
similar, but distinctly different things, when applied to different
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Yep. Fortunately, there aren't too many ways which use both highway=*
and
barrier=*.
Yeah...but still. I'm not a fan of having bicycle=no mean two
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Yep. Fortunately, there aren't too many ways which use both highway=*
and
barrier=*.
Data is grouped in layers.
These layers get their data from a datasource.
This data is styled with styles.
Some styles contain a filter expression, to restrict the application of that
style to only a limited number of items within the layer.
Other styles simply apply to all the data within the
On Wednesday 09 December 2009 17:21:38 Steve Bennett wrote:
Both support landuse=conservation, although it's not
documented in the wiki
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=conservationgo=Go
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m.v.g.,
Cartinus
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Data is grouped in layers.
These layers get their data from a datasource.
This data is styled with styles.
Some styles contain a filter expression, to restrict the application of that
style to only a limited number of items
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Hmm, thinking about it I'm not so sure we aren't mapping the legalities, at
least not in situations where it makes sense to ask the question of whether
or not crossing a barrier is legal. The purpose of a barrier, at least a
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